The Sixerfan1976 Off-Season Thread (Update: Page 61)

[dbodner]

Great, so we would have Paul, Iguodala, and...no one.

Role players are always easier to replenish than superstars.

[sixerswillrule]

Great, so we would have Paul, Iguodala, and...no one.

If you remove the "promise" tag from our players, we currently have "Iguodala, and...no one."
Players around here wear their "promise" tags a little longer than in other cities. People are still holding out hope that Thad and Speights develop into better than average starters... It will not happen...

We're not just talking about Young and Speights, though. You said Turner, Holiday, Young, and Speights. That's an incredibly hefty price to pay. We can't give up everyone.

Role players are always easier to replenish than superstars.

Do you think a team of Paul, Iguodala, and role players could contend? I mean, put Iguodala right now on the Hornets and I'm not sure that they would. David West is obviously much more than a role player. We would need a great 3rd player, someone close to Iguodala's level.

[sixerfan1976]

nothing to share.....iguodala is off the table unless overwhelmed.

only thing i see happening before camp is maybe kapono for peanuts

[The Guilty Party]

nothing to share.....iguodala is off the table unless overwhelmed.

only thing i see happening before camp is maybe kapono for peanuts

Staying put is probably the best thing to do at this point. The Sixers now have at least 4 new players and a new coach coming into training camp this year. Rather than move players for the sake of making a move, I think I'd rather the team go into the season as is while having a decent amount of expiring contracts and young players in order to make a solid move in Jan/Feb.

Again, I think we need to hope more superstars do what Chris Paul appears to be doing in New Orleans. Then again, we need to become a place where star players want to play. Hopefully a combination of Collins and Turner can make us more appealing.

[thaddeusyoungin]

Question for SF1976 or anyone really- Will Thad lose a lot of his trade value if we decide to trade him in early 2011 instead of this summer?

[Point-God]

We're not just talking about Young and Speights, though. You said Turner, Holiday, Young, and Speights. That's an incredibly hefty price to pay. We can't give up everyone.

Did you overlook that the trade included Brand? Jrue & Turner for CP3, Speights & Thad to entice them to take Brand.

[sixerswillrule]

We're not just talking about Young and Speights, though. You said Turner, Holiday, Young, and Speights. That's an incredibly hefty price to pay. We can't give up everyone.

Did you overlook that the trade included Brand? Jrue & Turner for CP3, Speights & Thad to entice them to take Brand.

Getting rid of Brand is pointless unless we can end up with cap space and make good use of it. They would need to give us Peja. And we would have to come out of 2011 free agency at least with Noah, Horford, or Marc Gasol, if not Carmelo. Like I said, Paul, Iguodala, and no one else are not winning anything. We need a team.

[Sixersftw]

I agree sixerswillrule. It sure does look like Carmelo is going wherever Paul is going though. You land one of the Big name Bigmen in FA and you have a pretty nasty team. BTW, I hate this Superfriends BS the NBA is becoming.

[Point-God]

We need a team.

I agree. The Sixers can get there by acquiring a superstar like CP3 and trading away bench players and players with "promise" like Jrue & Turner. Bench players and players with "promise" grow on trees, superstars do not. We don't have a superstar and you need them to contend for titles. You prefer to take the scenic route where we keep the "team" and pray that one of the players with "promise" develops into a CP3 level superstar. I prefer the reverse method with getting the proven superstar then getting the filler to replace the filler that we traded away. You would think that we couldn't get another Thad Young or Jrue Holiday by the way that you want to hang on to them. The odds are against a franchise developing another CP3 level talent within a let's say 15 year "era."

[sixerswillrule]

I would be in favor of that trade if we could get the pieces necessary for a contender to put with Paul and Iguodala. Obviously that would be impossible to know because we can't see into the future, so it would just be a matter of believing that it could get done. I'm not so sure.

[sweetlou23]

We need a team.

I agree. The Sixers can get there by acquiring a superstar like CP3 and trading away bench players and players with "promise" like Jrue & Turner. Bench players and players with "promise" grow on trees, superstars do not. We don't have a superstar and you need them to contend for titles. You prefer to take the scenic route where we keep the "team" and pray that one of the players with "promise" develops into a CP3 level superstar. I prefer the reverse method with getting the proven superstar then getting the filler to replace the filler that we traded away. You would think that we couldn't get another Thad Young or Jrue Holiday by the way that you want to hang on to them. The odds are against a franchise developing another CP3 level talent within a let's say 15 year "era."

Paul is a player you can build around but the last elite level point guards ( who were the best player on their team) to win an NBA championships were Isiah and magic. Point guard is not the best position to build around. Last year brought out the worst in most of our players, I rather wait and see what Collins can do with Turner and the rest of our squad.

[BringBackKorver]

Question for SF1976 or anyone really- Will Thad lose a lot of his trade value if we decide to trade him in early 2011 instead of this summer?

Well it obviously depends on how he performs this season. Other than that, his value may either increase or decrease because of the S&T scenarios available at the time. If a team wants him and can't afford him, his value rises. If the only teams looking at him next summer are under the cap, his value will lower but we could still get something in a S&T.

[corwin]

Question for SF1976 or anyone really- Will Thad lose a lot of his trade value if we decide to trade him in early 2011 instead of this summer?

I don't know about trade value since he's in his last guaranteed season. I think a team that trades for him would want to keep him; they'd & have his rights as a RFA. Of course, if he isn't traded, Philly retains his rights. Sure he could be signed by another team but management would have the right to match, work out a sign & trade, or not match. Here's the thing, if he earns a solid offer, it means he has value & he is kept or traded for picks, a trade exception, etc. If he doesn't pan out this year, just let him walk. He's not even worth a low first right now so why bother worrying about the return & trying to move him for peanuts?

[bballin76]

nothing to share.....iguodala is off the table unless overwhelmed.

only thing i see happening before camp is maybe kapono for peanuts

we just came off a 27 win season and they're content standing pat right now? are you kidding me??

they fired a bonehead who couldn't coach, lucked out with evan turner, trade dalembert for Hawes and Nocioni, sign Battie....and they're done?!

FIRE ED STEFANSKI NOW.

That is a completely unacceptable offseason for a fanbase that hasn't seen the 2nd round of the playoffs in 9 years or won a championship in 27!

SixersPR READ THIS. It is borderline ARROGANT to think the fans will settle for this inactivity after watching that terrible season and being stuck in mediocrity since Larry Brown left.

Stefanski, get in your office and WORK.

/rant.

[Point-God]

We need a team.

I agree. The Sixers can get there by acquiring a superstar like CP3 and trading away bench players and players with "promise" like Jrue & Turner. Bench players and players with "promise" grow on trees, superstars do not. We don't have a superstar and you need them to contend for titles. You prefer to take the scenic route where we keep the "team" and pray that one of the players with "promise" develops into a CP3 level superstar. I prefer the reverse method with getting the proven superstar then getting the filler to replace the filler that we traded away. You would think that we couldn't get another Thad Young or Jrue Holiday by the way that you want to hang on to them. The odds are against a franchise developing another CP3 level talent within a let's say 15 year "era."

Paul is a player you can build around but the last elite level point guards ( who were the best player on their team) to win an NBA championships were Isiah and magic. Point guard is not the best position to build around. Last year brought out the worst in most of our players, I rather wait and see what Collins can do with Turner and the rest of our squad.

Billups has a title. Shaq, Duncan, Gasol, and Garnett have the rest. Not shortchanging Kobe at all, but the Lakers length around the rim is what makes them dominant and more than just a contender. We don't have that sort of length involved in the CP3 trade that rivals a Duncan, Garnett, Shaq, or Gasol/Lakers entire front court. I think that you are overrating the Sixers players involved in the trade as if they have 9'3" standing reaches...

[HotSauce77]

I notice this update, like others, comes after the news already hits the news wires. Perhaps a reporter. The Clippers never made sense. They have nothing we want that they'd be willing to give up.

[underpressure]

nothing to share.....iguodala is off the table unless overwhelmed.

only thing i see happening before camp is maybe kapono for peanuts

we just came off a 27 win season and they're content standing pat right now? are you kidding me??

they fired a bonehead who couldn't coach, lucked out with evan turner, trade dalembert for Hawes and Nocioni, sign Battie....and they're done?!

FIRE ED STEFANSKI NOW.

That is a completely unacceptable offseason for a fanbase that hasn't seen the 2nd round of the playoffs in 9 years or won a championship in 27!

SixersPR READ THIS. It is borderline ARROGANT to think the fans will settle for this inactivity after watching that terrible season and being stuck in mediocrity since Larry Brown left.

Stefanski, get in your office and WORK.

/rant.

I know where your anger is coming from. The past years were indeed very disappointing. However I don't agree with your assessment. Even if our team is still far from competitive, we should not trade for the sake of trading. If their is nothing on the table (we have no inside view into the SIxers office), we should simply stay put and wait for the right occassion. That is the way to go.

And on top of all, we should stay realistic. Under our given circumstances, we just can improve our team by huge sacrifices (trading our young core) and neither is their a market for Iguodala, whom we should not trade anyway, unless we are overwhelmed - right approach by Stefanski. So our hands are basically tight.

[freshie2]

I am amazed at the outrage that some have over an off season where they move Sammy for quality pieces, replace the coach that everyone hated with one that 99% of the public respects, and drafted a big guard who won nearly every award available to him last year.

The Sixers have retained the same young players who were part of the team that showed so much promise prior to last season. They have better depth across the front line than they have had in years. They have nice length/talent in the backcourt with a lot of room for growth. Lastly, they have about $10 million in expiring deals that may be attractive in a trade deadline deal. Given the position they've been in for years, they are actually in a position where there is some promise for the near/long term future. There still are some tweaks to make, but they have had a very good offseason.

[SouthJersey]

This has got to be one of the best offseasons the sixers have had in years and people are still calling for Stefanski's bald head. Im not a fan of his body of work, but he hasnt done anything wrong this offseason. And I dont think the sixers care enough about the 10,000 fans who come to watch their games to spend big money this offseason. This team is being rounded out right now, not overhauled.

[mhunt]

They replaced the head coach & 3/5 of the starting lineup...Last season's opening day lineup was Lou/Andre/Thad/Brand/Sammy. It's a good start, IMO.