2020-2021 College Basketball / NBA Draft

[DCasey91]

Some of you guys madly overrated scorers (not great ones) that do nothing else.

Quality two way players are just more valuable in the end.

Did we all forget Mikal Bridges? lol.

At 28 your’e looking at Duarte, Murphy, even Roko any of those three I’ll be happily content and the scouting office has definetly done their job.

Look at whose playing in the finals littered with two way quality both teams.

Offense and offense only is way beyond overrated now it’s blinded people.

GSW had godly perimeter defense
Raptors was a juggernaut defensively
Lakers crushed small ball

I really can’t think of a team that didn’t have stud defenders on their team even with an ATG offensive hub.

It’s an elite offensive hub not a medium scorer/offensive talent we are talking about here.

Our defense is right there. Hence why Ben shouldn’t be tossed aside for peanuts. Harris yes he’s not either/or here.

We aren’t actually that far away assuming health and fit. But that’s been the case since the beginning.

[Kobblehead]

Lmao, so the lesson is not to find Chris Paul, Devin Booker, Jrue Holiday, or Khris Middleton....it's to find the next Mikal Bridges, Cam Johnson, and Pat Connaughton????

WHAT IS HAPPENING, 76IOLOGY???!?!?!

[DCasey91]

At pick 28 sure good luck Kobble let us know how you go.

[Kobblehead]

Quality two way players are just more valuable in the end.

No, this is a false take. And an incomplete definition..

We talking real two-way players like Jrue Holiday?.... or defensive guys that can't dribble or score a bucket that isn't assisted to them?

Because even Austin Rivers is more valuable than the latter.

[Kobblehead]

At pick 28 sure good luck Kobble let us know how you go.

Bro, we got Maxey at #21 last year.

R.J. Hampton was on the board in the mid-20s. Payton Pritchard, as well. Malachi FLynn. Theo Maledon was to be had at the top of the second round. All of these guys have the skillset to score off the dribble.

You'd pass on all these guys to find the next Tony Snell? Where are the priorities?

[DCasey91]

Quality two way players are just more valuable in the end.

No, this is a false take. And an incomplete definition..

We talking real two-way players like Jrue Holiday?.... or defensive guys that can't dribble or score a bucket that isn't assisted to them?

Because even Austin Rivers is more valuable than the latter.

Your on a timeout for me... indefinitely. No point replying or even conversing with you for a long long while.

[Kobblehead]

Tre Mann is our guy we need shot creation/perimeter play here. Can’t bring our guard rotation like the one we had into the playoffs. I mean Seth was really our only threat from there (Great great shooter was worried about him turns out he’s better then Redick because he can handle the rock and create all be it small time).

CJ would be an upgrade (Not as great of a shooter but more volume and handle and creating).

That’s all you need nowadays. There is illegal screens galore. Also carrying galore. And acres of space

Those are the three for me that hyper catalizes guard centric offense.

MJ/Kobe would annihilate this league. Most 90’s, 00 teams would get played off the floor once a modern team is hot.

The square volume to guard full half court is mathematically magnitudes bigger then interior centric offense.

GSW used to set mad illegal screens back in the day. From Livingston, Iggy, Green to Bogut to Zaza all of them could set very very iffy screens lol.

Right leg , Left leg another step towards the defender, hip checks, shuffling feet, jockey elbows the whole works (nice tactic if you can get away with because guess what every team gets away with it). Saw at least five illegal ones on Ben.

Rules are just there you can push and break until it’s no longer a rule because of the officiating not the player. Seen it in a whole bunch of sports.
Anything to get a huge edge players will try to exploit and even break it and will keep doing it because the officiating doesn’t stamp it out.

Not the rules it’s the officiating.

Jordan, Magic both carried the thing (Jordan’s fav move was a travel every time with the shift lift off of his pivot foot so essentially both feet was live at all times) Iverson carry, carry.

Guess what happens next generation? Lol 00’s Mj style. Heck Bulls was a dogged defensive team with the greatest scorer ever.

Curry greatest shooter... Boom even bigs nowadays are slanging close or plus 40%. Have a look at the style of play today.

EMULATION

It’s Mann guys you can fault some of his weaknesses but his offensive capability should be an auto buy.

Look Wagner is solid and Grimes is alright but I pay no mind not for this team.

You went from this...on June 29th....

right back to advocating for standstill shooters. What happened?

[DCasey91]

Last time Mann for me isn’t going to be there at 28. Look at different prospects around that mark.

Garland is going to be better then Sexton and Coby White just accept it as fact.

I can’t be bothered with you anymore, standstill shooters?... read and understand.

[Kobblehead]

Mann isn't the focus, it's the traits that he possesses. Ala scoring off the dribble from multiple levels and winning 1-on-1 battles with defenders. Something you clearly valued during/right after we got spanked by Atlanta but forgot all too quickly.

You can have Garland and Sexton. White is bigger and better ball handler than both of them. Give me the superior scorer all day.

You just said, "pay no mind, not for this team" to someone like Wagner but you think this team should pay mind to someone like Trey Murphy? That makes no sense.

Joe Wiescamp? What?

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

I agree, Tre Mann is not gonna be there at 28. If we want him, we're going to have to move into the top 15-18 I think. If we stay put at 28, we're forced into taking the BPA and that player may not exactly play a position of "need" for us. In other words, we may be taking a power forward simply because the team thinks this player is the most talented prospect remaining. If we want a shot creator that is going to contribute sooner than later, then we're going to have to move up in the draft. I still think we need to go big here. Trade Simmons to acquire a top three pick and go for the home run with either one of the Jalens.

I like both of the Jalens, I also think Keon Johnson is going to be a very good player. Ziaire Williams is a project that might be worth waiting on, Cam Thomas can straight up get buckets, James Bouknight is another one. Problem is, all of these prospects will be gone by the time we are picking.

If we stay at 28, it's going to be Cam Thomas if he falls, Na'shon Hyland if he's there, or Miles McBride.

[Kobblehead]

NBA draft orders are trash each year because GMs stick to big boards and take "BPA".

If Mann isn't there, why not take best playoff skillset available and ignore the idiotic consensus big boards that have like a 30% hit rate each year?

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

NBA draft orders are trash each year because GMs stick to big boards and take "BPA".

If Mann isn't there, why not take best playoff skillset available and ignore the idiotic consensus big boards that have like a 30% hit rate each year?

Again, then you're looking at guys like Hyland, McBride, and Cam Thomas. I'd be fine with any one of those three players. Just no Jaden Springer please, no to Jared Butler...Don't need a player with a bad heart, and no the some project power forward that's going to take five years to develop.

[stormi]

You can have Garland and Sexton. White is bigger and better ball handler than both of them. Give me the superior scorer all day.

Ooh. No sir.

[stormi]

Darius Garland is also >>>>> Sexton or Coby White. Coby White is a clueless low IQ basketball player at this point with dinosaur arms and one of the worst defensive players in the league. Wouldn't mind him as a reclamation project, but Darius Garland provides winning metrics today and is a gifted isolation scorer. The other two, albeit young with growth to be done, have been on court detriments to this point in their careers.

[Kobblehead]

Yeah, I'm straying from the consensus big boards and just taking best playoff skillset available.

The Sixers have no business even looking at standstill shooters that can't dribble or defensive players that can't dribble.

In theory, both Milton (2018) and Maxey (2020) should be more ready to contribute in next year's playoffs. We need another guy in the stable to develop.

[Kobblehead]

Darius Garland is also >>>>> Sexton or Coby White. Coby White is a clueless low IQ basketball player at this point with dinosaur arms and one of the worst defensive players in the league. Wouldn't mind him as a reclamation project, but Darius Garland provides winning metrics today and is a gifted isolation scorer. The other two, albeit young with growth to be done, have been on court detriments to this point in their careers.

Garland is not that good, bro. He and Sexton are virtually the same player. Garland is just more willing to pass and try on defense. He's still a 6'1" 190 pounder that can't really get the rim off the dribble consistently. Needs the pick and roll to score.

White is an elite attacker and he's 6'5" 200. He's going to be a playoff killer in 3 years.

[stormi]

Darius Garland is also >>>>> Sexton or Coby White. Coby White is a clueless low IQ basketball player at this point with dinosaur arms and one of the worst defensive players in the league. Wouldn't mind him as a reclamation project, but Darius Garland provides winning metrics today and is a gifted isolation scorer. The other two, albeit young with growth to be done, have been on court detriments to this point in their careers.

Garland is not that good, bro. He and Sexton are virtually the same player. Garland is just more willing to pass and try on defense. He's still a 6'1" 190 pounder that can't really get the rim off the dribble consistently. Needs the pick and roll to score.

White is an elite attacker and he's 6'5" 200. He's going to be a playoff killer in 3 years.

Size fetish blinders imo. Garland is just a much more talented basketball player than either of White or Sexton. Coby White was really interesting to me coming out of UNC and one of my best friends is a Bulls fan. He hasn't been good so far, him and Lavine are a mess together defensively and he's been moved out of the starting lineup to the bench because of his inability to take the keys to the offense and resemble something of a competent point. So they resorted to Sato. White is very dynamic though and can score in bunches, but Garland is a true pg in the mold of a lead guard.

DG was a net positive 3.9 +/- per 100 possessions this year on a really bad team. Sexton on that same team was a -1.9 (Coby: -3.9), which isn't horrendous for a 22 year old. But Garland elevated those around him when he was on the floor. Mann's game to me resembles a lot of Garland actually with how effortless he is off the dribble and his quick release. Can't see him falling beyond the early 20's though unfortunately. Need to acquire a late teens pick somehow.

[Kobblehead]

net +/- per 100 possessions, what does that silly cherry-picked metric even mean? What about all the other plus/minus metrics that say Garland is bad? These plus minus metrics suck, skillsets are all that matter.

Garland is a mediocre shotcreator that will get picked on defensively when the Cavs get to the playoffs. White will get picked on defensively, but he's an elite level creator that at least has the size to compete.

Tre Mann has far more in common with Coby White than he does Darius Garland. Look at their unassisted scoring metrics, look at their frames, look at their games. Nearly identical.

[stormi]

If Tre Mann resembled Coby White in the slightest (he doesn't) he'd be on my DND board.

[Kobblehead]

If Tre Mann resembled Coby White in the slightest (he doesn't) he'd be on my DND board.

You clearly don't understand the skillsets of either player if you think they don't resemble each other even in the slightest. They're very similar players.

Then again, you are the guy that said Lou Williams, the good Bogdanovich and Kevin Huerter couldn't dribble so...