Simmons Trade Thread - The Ocho

[Kobblehead]

Rank:

Springer, Thybulle, Maxey, Joe

In terms of most to least likely y'all want traded. You could throw Milton or Reed in as well.

What if we kept it super simple and sorted guys into categories?

Spacing Asset:
- Isaiah Joe

Defensive Asset:
- Matisse Thybulle
- Jaden Springer

Neither:
- Shake Milton
- Tyrese Maxey

Not surprisingly, Milton is the most useless player for us right now. He has ability to be productive, but he doesn't help us on either end. And the HUGELY unpopular opinion that I've been on for the whole season is that Maxey isn't really helping us at all on either end, either.

I would move Milton in a heartbeat and I have no qualms about selling high on Maxey. I'd be higher on him if I saw a path to him becoming a more willing shooter, but he's gone backwards.

[SixthStreet]

I'd rank those 6, in order of who I'd want to keep (I'd send all 6 packing with Simmons in a deal for SGA though)

Maxey
Joe
-----------------Huge gap-----------------
Reed
Springer
-----------------Huge gap-----------------
Milton
Thybulle

Springer above Milton and Thybulle because the latter two have proven their overall uselessness and their development is complete. I doubt Springer will ever be as good as Milton/Thybulle but at least he has age on his side. Who knows.

[Kobblehead]

You doubt Springer will ever be as good as Milton and Thybulle?

Jaden was a significantly better player than both of those guys at the highschool level and significantly better than both of those guys at the freshman level in college. It's only a natural progression for him to also be significantly better than both of them at the NBA level.

Springer is a jumper away from having a complete skillset.

[GutUNC]

What's the significance of that other than being a neat factoid? Maxey is relatively hopeless defensively. He's small and has no instincts for deflections.

And on the other end, for whatever reason, he's allergic to spacing the floor. A problem Isaiah Joe certainly does not have. As an offense-only player, I prefer to have a spacer as opposed to a non-spacer.

Isn't boiling Maxey's offensive game to "not floor spacer" incredibly reductive? This team still needs shot creation that Maxey provides and Joe doesn't, too.

[the_process]

I'm hoping Presti would ask for Maxey and Thybulle instead of Joe and Springer.

I would be fine with any of them going out with Ben for Shai.

I would be fine with all of them going out with Ben for Shai.

I am excited that the idea of Shai to the Sixers is picking up steam.

Start with Shai and Embiid. Dump Tobias. Build out from there.

[stormi]

I don't think Joe has the value/clout in a Shai trade so I think it'll be a pick two between Thybulle, Maxey and Springer. We've already won if they use a selection on Matisse.

[the_process]

You doubt Springer will ever be as good as Milton and Thybulle?

Jaden was a significantly better player than both of those guys at the highschool level and significantly better than both of those guys at the freshman level in college. It's only a natural progression for him to also be significantly better than both of them at the NBA level.

Springer is a jumper away from having a complete skillset.

The Sixers have a very bad track record with players who were "just a jump shot away".

[the_process]

USA Today proposed:

Philadelphia 76ers Receive: G Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, G/F Kenrich Williams, UTA 2024 1st Round Pick (Top-10 Protected, via OKC), PHI 2025 1st Round Pick (via OKC)

Oklahoma City Thunder Receive: G/F Ben Simmons, G Jaden Springer, G Isaiah Joe, PHI 2022 1st Round Pick (Unprotected)

That would be a grand slam as far as Ben trades go.

[ProcessDoctor]

Rank:

Springer, Thybulle, Maxey, Joe

In terms of most to least likely y'all want traded. You could throw Milton or Reed in as well.

Milton
Reed
Joe
Springer
Maxey
Thybulle

[stormi]

Rank:

Springer, Thybulle, Maxey, Joe

In terms of most to least likely y'all want traded. You could throw Milton or Reed in as well.

Milton
Reed
Joe
Springer
Maxey
Thybulle

Thybulle last? Interesting, why?

[Zumramania]

The only problem I see here, is why would OKC want to trade Shai, unless he wants out?

[SixthStreet]

I don't believe Springer has requisite athleticism for the position. My personal bias is that if you at least one of plus athleticism, volume shooting, or demonstrated court vision/passing as a guard prospect. Springer offers none of those three so I don't believe in him.

If he grows into a wing maybe he has a path. But I don't see it as a guard.

[Skates]

The only problem I see here, is why would OKC want to trade Shai, unless he wants out?

Or has an injury that might go chronic? OKC was allegedly open to moving him because he was older than the team they intend to build via the draft, but Simmons also doesn’t fit that age profile and some of those rumors were likely before he signed the extension.

[Kobblehead]

The Sixers have a very bad track record with players who were "just a jump shot away".

Springer stands apart from the typical non-shooting scrubs we've had with 60% or worse free throw shooting. Springer was a 40% three, 80% free throw guy. There's legit optimism he could develop into a shooter. See Shai.

[mjkvol]

The Sixers have a very bad track record with players who were "just a jump shot away".

Springer stands apart from the typical non-shooting scrubs we've had with 60% or worse free throw shooting. Springer was a 40% three, 80% free throw guy. There's legit optimism he could develop into a shooter. See Shai.

He needs to show he can shoot the 3 consistently with some volume, which he didn't do at UT, and isn't doing in the G-League. I love the kid, but beating up on G-League guards going to the rack doesn't prove he can play up here.

[ProcessDoctor]

Rank:

Springer, Thybulle, Maxey, Joe

In terms of most to least likely y'all want traded. You could throw Milton or Reed in as well.

Milton
Reed
Joe
Springer
Maxey
Thybulle

Thybulle last? Interesting, why?

He’s our only good perimeter defender. Unless the Simmons trade brings back 1-2 above average defenders, he’s a keeper with our current roster. In a vacuum, I rank him lower.

[Stanford]

The persistence of the SGA stuff makes me think there's something to it, but I also get the feeling that someone is just **** with me.

[the_process]

The only problem I see here, is why would OKC want to trade Shai, unless he wants out?

Or has an injury that might go chronic? OKC was allegedly open to moving him because he was older than the team they intend to build via the draft, but Simmons also doesn’t fit that age profile and some of those rumors were likely before he signed the extension.

My guess would be they wouldn’t keep Simmons, but rather pump and dump him.

Alternatively, they could just want a name player.

Either way, no OKC denials as of yet.

[the_process]

Rank:

Springer, Thybulle, Maxey, Joe

In terms of most to least likely y'all want traded. You could throw Milton or Reed in as well.

Milton
Springer
Reed
Thybulle
Joe
Maxey

[Mik317]

SGA is one of those guys who you put almost everything on the table for.

Not saying he's the next Harden either but even if he isn't a "real" pg his size and versitility allows him to play the 2 and in a pinch the 3. He's young. And he is locked down on a contract...and barring injury will always be tradable.