2020-2021 College Basketball / NBA Draft

Kobblehead · Post #921 » by **Kobblehead** » Mon Jul 5, 2021 11:31 pm

Lou Williams and Monta Ellis gave birth to a lot of these combo guards scoring in the league today. Lou Williams out here winning playoff games off the dribble at age 34. You said this guy couldn't dribble....Like damn, do you even know what that means?

stormi · Post #922 » by **stormi** » Mon Jul 5, 2021 11:33 pm

Kobblehead wrote:
stormi wrote:If Tre Mann resembled Coby White in the slightest (he doesn't) he'd be on my DND board.

You clearly don't understand the skillsets of either player if you think they don't resemble each other even in the slightest. They're very similar players.

Then again, you are the guy that said Lou Williams, the good Bogdanovich and Kevin Huerter couldn't dribble so...

Never said that about Lou. But this is coming from a stubborn man proclaiming Bogdan Bogdanovic as some skilled isolation scorer after having an embarrassing playoffs where he did nothing but catch & shoot three's at a mediocre rate, this guy suckssssssssss. I never said Huerter couldn't dribble either I just said they were nothing special in that role, him having an outlier game cooking Seth Curry doesn't change that. You shouldn't be talking about scoring off the dribble though after you claimed Kevin Durant had no ability in that department... Also said you'd take Jordan Clarkson over Giannis on your playoff roster.

Coby White is like Trey Burke with an extra 5 inches. He's not that good please give it up and find new slants.

stormi · Post #923 » by **stormi** » Mon Jul 5, 2021 11:37 pm

Kobble bringing Lou's name up when he was clearly omitted from my post because he was too busy steaming out of his scalp and spamming contextless vector valued unassisted field goal percentage stats that nobody asked for to make a poor point. Liar troll.

Kobblehead · Post #924 » by **Kobblehead** » Mon Jul 5, 2021 11:37 pm

Congrats to Kevin Durant for turning up his shotcreating efforts when guarded by a 38 year chode who couldn't move laterally. Real impressive...

Umm Giannis sucks and got exposed and now EVERYONE knows Khris Middleton is the best player on the Bucks. Something I've been saying for years.

Nope, another terrible comp for Coby White. You should probably give that up or learn more about his game and then try again.

youngcrev · Post #925 » by **youngcrev** » Mon Jul 5, 2021 11:42 pm

Kobblehead wrote:And no, creators have incredible value regardless of whether or not they're good at other things. Look at Tyrese Maxey. He can't defend and he doesn't know how to shoot or pass yet and he still was incredible valuable in spurts for us this year.

In spurts he was very valuable, but the majority of the time he was completely useless this year, particularly when he was on floor with the starters and didn't have the ball in his hands.

Regardless, how many time do you see a Maxey level playmaking prospect available at 28?

That's not to say they should actively avoid a playmaker if he's the top prospect on the board, I just see no reason they should be one track minded about it. If they can get a quality contributor of any variety at 28 that's a W.

stormi · Post #926 » by **stormi** » Mon Jul 5, 2021 11:46 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Umm Giannis sucks and got exposed and now EVERYONE knows Khris Middleton is the best player on the Bucks. Something I've been saying for years.

You just steal my opinions and repeat them louder and claim you were on them first

I've been anti-Yannis for a while now and a huge admirer of Khris Middleton's game. He's a baller.

Coby White however...

Kobblehead · Post #927 » by **Kobblehead** » Mon Jul 5, 2021 11:46 pm

Because you should always be drafting playmakers. You build your future through the draft. In only the rarest circumstances should you be drafting role players with the hope of them somehow making immediate contributions. You sign veterans to the minimum to contribute in bit parts. You don't waste draft picks on them.

Kobblehead · Post #928 » by **Kobblehead** » Mon Jul 5, 2021 11:51 pm

stormi wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:Umm Giannis sucks and got exposed and now EVERYONE knows Khris Middleton is the best player on the Bucks. Something I've been saying for years.

You just steal my opinions and repeat them louder and claim you were on them first

I've been anti-Yannis for a while now and a huge admirer of Khris Middleton's game. He's a baller.

Coby White however...

LOL at this kid. I've peeped Khris Middleton before you were even born.

Kobblehead wrote:Give us one of Kris Middleton or Jimmy Butler and we're going to be a playoff team in 2016.

stormi · Post #929 » by **stormi** » Mon Jul 5, 2021 11:53 pm

I was propping Khris when he was at A&M. My account just isn't as old, nice try though.

stormi · Post #930 » by **stormi** » Mon Jul 5, 2021 11:55 pm

I beat Kobble again

Kobblehead · Post #931 » by **Kobblehead** » Mon Jul 5, 2021 11:58 pm

stormi wrote:I was propping Khris when he was at A&M. My account just isn't as old, nice try though.

Nah, you seem like a newcomer to the game. A lot of your posts about shotcreation indicate that. No way you were watching obscure prospects on crappy Big 12 teams back in the early 2010s.

Kobblehead · Post #932 » by **Kobblehead** » Tue Jul 6, 2021 12:05 am

https://nypost.com/2021/07/04/2021-nba-draft-julian-champagnie-returning-to-st-johns/

Here's a 3&D guy that can't dribble staying in school. Probably got feedback telling him to work on putting the ball on the floor and scoring more off the dribble. If he does, could be a first rounder.

Kobblehead · Post #933 » by **Kobblehead** » Tue Jul 6, 2021 12:14 am

Negrodamus wrote:To piggyback off my previous post, the point I was making (without adequately explaining) is that it's fine to only go after players with great playmaking skills (ie distributor or getting their own baskets) since the ceiling can be someone like a Brogdon at our spot, but they're more likely to carve out a role playing position like Grayson Allen and Desmond Bane. Targeting one tune guys like Trey Murphy or Terrence Shannon are situations that likely won't pan out despite their alluring attributes as either size for position or great athleticism.

A guy I'd be interested to become a great role player is Aaron Henry. I don't see star potential there, but he spent a whole year as the lead guard for Mich State when he was mediocre in that role. Herb Jones fits under that category too. The fact that Izzo and Oats felt comfortable with those situations speaks highly for them as prospect.

Coaches will love him and he'll outperform his draft slot. He'll have a similar impact to the Josh Hart types. I just question how much value he'll provide in a playoff setting to a team like us that is devoid of sufficient creation core pieces.

stormi · Post #934 » by **stormi** » Tue Jul 6, 2021 12:17 am

Kobblehead wrote:
stormi wrote:I was propping Khris when he was at A&M. My account just isn't as old, nice try though.

Nah, you seem like a newcomer to the game. A lot of your posts about shotcreation indicate that. No way you were watching obscure prospects on crappy Big 12 teams back in the early 2010s.

Kobblehead · Post #935 » by **Kobblehead** » Tue Jul 6, 2021 12:25 am

You tryna tell me you were down from day 1 on Khris Middleton?

I'm having trouble believing it. Especially since you needed Max Martin to help you find out who Taylor Swift was. Kinda feel like maybe you needed me to help you find out who Khris Middleton was.

DCasey91 · Post #936 » by **DCasey91** » Tue Jul 6, 2021 1:34 am

Most likely at Pick 28:

- Chris Duarte
- Aaron Wiggins
- Trey Murphy III
- Miles McBride
- Roko Prkacin
- Ayo Donsunmu
- “Bones” Hyland

Our halfcourt troubles should be solved with quality NBA established players (Lillard, CJ, Lowry) or better youngsters (Fox, Garland, Ingram or go for the potential of Jalen Green) that’s pretty much it.

No Maxey is not the problem solver. He’s still a ways a way from being a serviceable starting NBA player.

ExplosionsInDaSky · Post #937 » by **ExplosionsInDaSky** » Tue Jul 6, 2021 1:44 am

Hyland, McBride, or Cam at 28 for me. It'll be between those three, unless we move up for Mann.

76ciology · Post #938 » by **76ciology** » Tue Jul 6, 2021 7:23 am

I dont think we should move up for Mann. Unless you mean giving up some second round picks will get it done.

76ciology · Post #939 » by **76ciology** » Tue Jul 6, 2021 7:30 am

Kobblehead wrote:NBA draft orders are trash each year because GMs stick to big boards and take "BPA".

If Mann isn't there, why not take best playoff skillset available and ignore the idiotic consensus big boards that have like a 30% hit rate each year?

EXACTLY.

Big boards is like in fantasy basketball to fool suckers on highly ranked players that dont really move the needles like ZBo and Carmelo Anthony back then.

If we were not just blindly relying on big boards and rather select players based on talent relative to favorable trends in the game, we probably would be competing earlier than 2018 and would have been further ahead than this **** show roster, that is a product of the accumulation of mistakes after mistakes, we have right now.

If our mindset was “pace and space” than “violence at the rim”, we would have been getting rewarded by “trusting the process” because odds would have been on our side. We would have arrived be as competitive or maybe even more competitive with less paper assets.

76ciology · Post #940 » by **76ciology** » Tue Jul 6, 2021 7:33 am

Kobblehead wrote:Lmao, so the lesson is not to find Chris Paul, Devin Booker, Jrue Holiday, or Khris Middleton....it's to find the next Mikal Bridges, Cam Johnson, and Pat Connaughton????

WHAT IS HAPPENING, 76IOLOGY???!?!?!

Kobble, DCasey is your alternate self living in a parallel universe.

Remember how you were once high on 2 way players? :lol:

Either that or it’s RealGM’s bot trying to make you be more active and use all the energy of your posts to let them mine their cryptocurrency (RealGMCoin).