Ben Simmons Trade Thread

[Roy The Natural]

Don't think they would. Tatum is off the table and their asset quality after Brown falls off a cliff. Also no pick this year. I think Miami is lacking picks also. And the Lakers have no enticing tradable assets.

I think there is a significant separation between Brown and Simmons for a rebuilding team like Portland would be. I don't think that Portland would be interested outright in Simmons if they are rebuilding. He'd need to be rerouted to somewhere that he pulls back value that Portland wants..... which complicates things. Meanwhile I do think that Portland would be interested in Brown. I think Brown fits well into basically any rebuild and allows you to not limit your pool of players that you can draft while rebuilding. Brown is still trending upwards, Ben is not. Late picks are only of marginal importance. I don't think you can acquire Lillard without having a true upward trending young guy as the core of the package. Some 76er fans may disagree with me, but I just plain don't see Simmons as that kind of guy.

He's been in the league 5 years. Has shown very little growth since entering the league. He's an exceedingly difficult player to build around while simultaneously not being good enough to justify building around. I just don't see him as a player that a Portland team blowing it up would be interested in... really almost at all. If he brings back the right pieces in a 3-team... then sure. But you're going to need to find those pieces. I don't think Portland would be interested in blowing the team up and handing the keys to a player with as many question marks about not only his game, but his mentality and work ethic as Ben Simmons has swirling around him right now. Needs to be someone on an upwards trajectory that is flashing high end potential.

But hey.. that's just my view. Jaylen Brown+Robert Williams+some picks isn't something that Philly can match in my opinion. They just don't have pieces that are as interesting IMO.

Where is this utopia where the Celtics hand over Jaylen Brown + picks? I don't see it.

Maybe they don't. Not really that important though. The important thing is to get the best possible rebuild piece you can. I'd take Jaylen Brown and a single 1st round pick over anything that the 76ers offer outside of Embiid. In a straight swap at least. I'd also be far more interested in a deal with the Pelicans, or for a good lottery pick. I have no interest in centering a Lillard trade around Simmons. I'd wager the Blazers probably feel the same. I just don't think anybody could look at Simmons right now and think that he's a guy you want to build around. He needs to be moved somewhere he better fits. Simmons isn't the guy you want being your best player leading a bunch of young guys through a rebuild, that's a recipe for an absurd level disaster.

[LeonJordanJr24]

Ben , shake and frps . Tobias sure. Maxey, Thybulle, curry and Embiid . No.

[eyeatoma]

Yeah I hate to say it but if teams come with those offers for Ben we’re looking at something like hill/Thybulle/maxey and 2 firsts for another guy to add to our core instead of moving Ben.

This is all fans saying stuff. Fans don't know anything. I mean, neither do we, but there is no way those will be the players offered. Morey is not an idiot.

Sorry but Ben isn’t going to be traded as or valued as a role player. I don’t care what anyone on here says. If that’s the case he’s here until his contract expires. Morey knows the league and winning is about stars and Simmons is one. That doesn’t mean he has to stay but it does mean if you don’t get equal or close to value for him you could completely hinder your future as far as contending goes

Huh? Was that directed at me? I'm basically saying the same thing as you. The lowball Wolves offer by fans is BS, and Morey wouldn't fall for it it. Where did I say he was going to be valued as a role player?

[Sportfan73]

I think there is a significant separation between Brown and Simmons for a rebuilding team like Portland would be. I don't think that Portland would be interested outright in Simmons if they are rebuilding. He'd need to be rerouted to somewhere that he pulls back value that Portland wants..... which complicates things. Meanwhile I do think that Portland would be interested in Brown. I think Brown fits well into basically any rebuild and allows you to not limit your pool of players that you can draft while rebuilding. Brown is still trending upwards, Ben is not. Late picks are only of marginal importance. I don't think you can acquire Lillard without having a true upward trending young guy as the core of the package. Some 76er fans may disagree with me, but I just plain don't see Simmons as that kind of guy.

He's been in the league 5 years. Has shown very little growth since entering the league. He's an exceedingly difficult player to build around while simultaneously not being good enough to justify building around. I just don't see him as a player that a Portland team blowing it up would be interested in... really almost at all. If he brings back the right pieces in a 3-team... then sure. But you're going to need to find those pieces. I don't think Portland would be interested in blowing the team up and handing the keys to a player with as many question marks about not only his game, but his mentality and work ethic as Ben Simmons has swirling around him right now. Needs to be someone on an upwards trajectory that is flashing high end potential.

But hey.. that's just my view. Jaylen Brown+Robert Williams+some picks isn't something that Philly can match in my opinion. They just don't have pieces that are as interesting IMO.

Where is this utopia where the Celtics hand over Jaylen Brown + picks? I don't see it.

Maybe they don't. Not really that important though. The important thing is to get the best possible rebuild piece you can. I'd take Jaylen Brown and a single 1st round pick over anything that the 76ers offer outside of Embiid. In a straight swap at least. I'd also be far more interested in a deal with the Pelicans, or for a good lottery pick. I have no interest in centering a Lillard trade around Simmons. I'd wager the Blazers probably feel the same. I just don't think anybody could look at Simmons right now and think that he's a guy you want to build around. He needs to be moved somewhere he better fits. Simmons isn't the guy you want being your best player leading a bunch of young guys through a rebuild, that's a recipe for an absurd level disaster.

This is probably the only season of their careers brown has more value than Simmons. The bigger role brown got the worse Boston performed. You’re going to regret feeling this way. That is unless doc plays Ben at the dunker spot for the rest of his career

[eyeatoma]

Boston would be above Philly as well if it's on the list. However, I don't think a list matters in Dame's situation. It's best offer gets him.

Don't think they would. Tatum is off the table and their asset quality after Brown falls off a cliff. Also no pick this year. I think Miami is lacking picks also. And the Lakers have no enticing tradable assets.

I think there is a significant separation between Brown and Simmons for a rebuilding team like Portland would be. I don't think that Portland would be interested outright in Simmons if they are rebuilding. He'd need to be rerouted to somewhere that he pulls back value that Portland wants..... which complicates things. Meanwhile I do think that Portland would be interested in Brown. I think Brown fits well into basically any rebuild and allows you to not limit your pool of players that you can draft while rebuilding. Brown is still trending upwards, Ben is not. Late picks are only of marginal importance. I don't think you can acquire Lillard without having a true upward trending young guy as the core of the package. Some 76er fans may disagree with me, but I just plain don't see Simmons as that kind of guy.

He's been in the league 5 years. Has shown very little growth since entering the league. He's an exceedingly difficult player to build around while simultaneously not being good enough to justify building around. I just don't see him as a player that a Portland team blowing it up would be interested in... really almost at all. If he brings back the right pieces in a 3-team... then sure. But you're going to need to find those pieces. I don't think Portland would be interested in blowing the team up and handing the keys to a player with as many question marks about not only his game, but his mentality and work ethic as Ben Simmons has swirling around him right now. Needs to be someone on an upwards trajectory that is flashing high end potential.

But hey.. that's just my view. Jaylen Brown+Robert Williams+some picks isn't something that Philly can match in my opinion. They just don't have pieces that are as interesting IMO.

Robert Williams is their only center and he showed up in the playoffs and the last 20 games. Celtics aren't going to give him up that easily, even for Lillard. If you give up the whole cupboard just so Lillard can be with Tatum, they may be a worse team than the current edition of the Blazers/Celtics. Philly has the most to give overall, but I agree that Brown is more valuable than Simmons at the moment. The reason Dame wants to leave is that he wants to be on a contender. Name the teams who can given actual assets and still have contender status? Apart from Philadelphia who do you have? And by assets I don't mean scraps, I mean actual value for Portland. Yes, I know Simmons might need to be rerouted, but it might be the best bet for Portland if Dame has a list, which he no doubt will, and Portland will do right by Dame giventhat he's been loyal to that franchise forever.

[Ferry Avenue]

Similar "offers" in the trade thread on the T-Wolves board. A lot of "We want to trade for Simmons but we're not giving up any of our top 6 players".

But that's a sensible position, because Simmons isn't better than most teams' top players.

If a team were hypothetically trying to trade him to the Sixers, I wouldn't want to give up Embiid, Harris, Curry, or Maxey. Giving up one of those players for Simmons would make the Sixers worse. Likewise these fans of other teams don't want to see their teams get worse.

Two years ago things would've been different, but now people can see him for the player he really is.

Wrong. I understand you're down on Simmons, but don't talk nonsense to justify lowball offers by idiot fans. In your hypothetical we would trade Harris, Curry or Maxey for Simmons in a heartbeat.

I wouldn't trade any one of them for Simmons. The team gets worse with any of those moves.

[SixthStreet]

Where is this utopia where the Celtics hand over Jaylen Brown + picks? I don't see it.

Just like we have some delusion as a fanbase, others aren't immune either. Brown has more trade value than Lillard and I don't think it's particularly close. Much younger, much cheaper, and close to as impactful today. The Blazers would have to add picks to get Brown for Lillard.

[the_process]

Where is this utopia where the Celtics hand over Jaylen Brown + picks? I don't see it.

Just like we have some delusion as a fanbase, others aren't immune either. Brown has more trade value than Lillard and I don't think it's particularly close. Much younger, much cheaper, and close to as impactful today. The Blazers would have to add picks to get Brown for Lillard.

I strongly disagree with that assessment. If I was Portland, I would want at least two 1sts to make that swap. If I’m Boston, I’d be okay with adding a 1st or two. Lillard with Tatum puts Boston back as a top 4 seed if they get any production at all from the rest of the roster. The only question would be is does Portland want to just keep going along stealing every win they can, or do they want to tank a year or two?

[syntax]

Where is this utopia where the Celtics hand over Jaylen Brown + picks? I don't see it.

Just like we have some delusion as a fanbase, others aren't immune either. Brown has more trade value than Lillard and I don't think it's particularly close. Much younger, much cheaper, and close to as impactful today. The Blazers would have to add picks to get Brown for Lillard.

I strongly disagree with that assessment. If I was Portland, I would want at least two 1sts to make that swap. If I’m Boston, I’d be okay with adding a 1st or two. Lillard with Tatum puts Boston back as a top 4 seed if they get any production at all from the rest of the roster. The only question would be is does Portland want to just keep going along stealing every win they can, or do they want to tank a year or two?

Brown is younger and still developing, more upside, plays WAY more defense than Lillard, won't dominate the ball and take Tatum out of the game like Lillard and earns less. Celtics would never do it. Ever.

[Sportfan73]

Where is this utopia where the Celtics hand over Jaylen Brown + picks? I don't see it.

Just like we have some delusion as a fanbase, others aren't immune either. Brown has more trade value than Lillard and I don't think it's particularly close. Much younger, much cheaper, and close to as impactful today. The Blazers would have to add picks to get Brown for Lillard.

I strongly disagree with that assessment. If I was Portland, I would want at least two 1sts to make that swap. If I’m Boston, I’d be okay with adding a 1st or two. Lillard with Tatum puts Boston back as a top 4 seed if they get any production at all from the rest of the roster. The only question would be is does Portland want to just keep going along stealing every win they can, or do they want to tank a year or two?

The more featured role brown has played and more numbers he’s put up the worse Boston has been.

[syntax]

Just like we have some delusion as a fanbase, others aren't immune either. Brown has more trade value than Lillard and I don't think it's particularly close. Much younger, much cheaper, and close to as impactful today. The Blazers would have to add picks to get Brown for Lillard.

I strongly disagree with that assessment. If I was Portland, I would want at least two 1sts to make that swap. If I’m Boston, I’d be okay with adding a 1st or two. Lillard with Tatum puts Boston back as a top 4 seed if they get any production at all from the rest of the roster. The only question would be is does Portland want to just keep going along stealing every win they can, or do they want to tank a year or two?

The more featured role brown has played and more numbers he’s put up the worse Boston has been.

Kemba was injured, so was Smart, and they started Theis and Triston Thompson for some of the season.

[stormi]

Where is this utopia where the Celtics hand over Jaylen Brown + picks? I don't see it.

Just like we have some delusion as a fanbase, others aren't immune either. Brown has more trade value than Lillard and I don't think it's particularly close. Much younger, much cheaper, and close to as impactful today. The Blazers would have to add picks to get Brown for Lillard.

I strongly disagree with that assessment. If I was Portland, I would want at least two 1sts to make that swap. If I’m Boston, I’d be okay with adding a 1st or two. Lillard with Tatum puts Boston back as a top 4 seed if they get any production at all from the rest of the roster. The only question would be is does Portland want to just keep going along stealing every win they can, or do they want to tank a year or two?

This is how I see it, Brown on the table, no brainer. Do I consider it realistic? No, not at all.

Trading Lillard probably indicates a hard reset for Portland and any deal including Ben would be of the ilk of him being re-routed elsewhere and the picks from say Minnesota/GSW/Sacremento/Cleveland combining with our own to grant them a future war-chest.

[jbent87]

The Pelicans are probably the team that could put out the most enticing package combining a collection of young players and a coup of draft picks. + the allure to play with Zion if that exists.

If Dame puts out a shortlist of teams though and it includes the regular suspects I think we have pole position.

Don't think Lillard fits their timeline. They aren't ready to win and I don't think they'd want to rush their rebuild.

Reports are Zion and his family are getting restless, who knows how serious those are. Young players don't want to wait anymore. Luka is getting frustrated too with his lack of help in Dallas.

guess most of the picks go to NOLA in this scenario, but there's your intriguing piece to get POR on the phone/making sure they're calling you back if they're not overly excited about Ben:
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yhbazmom

PHI also would need to load up OKC with 2nds here for facilitating I think. They also are turning Kembas 3 years remaining into Steve Adams 1.

[eyeatoma]

This would be an awesome deal for us.

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[zaz102]

This would be an awesome deal for us.

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Timberwolves giving Edwards, Beasley, and a 1st seems like a lot for Simmons. Or maybe I am undervaluing Simmons worth to Minnesota.

[eyeatoma]

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Timberwolves giving Edwards, Beasley, and a 1st seems like a lot for Simmons. Or maybe I am undervaluing Simmons worth to Minnesota.

That still have a core of Towns and Russell.

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[phillynative]

This would be an awesome deal for us.

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I was thinking this except i think portland would want an extra young piece in tisse or maxey .

[eyeatoma]

I'm fine with that if we can keep one of Maxey or Tisse.

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[sixers hoops]

Lol. I love how everyone pulls up the one report that supports their argument. Ben Simmons was on the table and they still took the picks. They wanted picks. Don’t be so naive.

And if anybody needs them I have reports from Woj bookmarked that report the Sixers want more than Harden for Ben. I also have reports from Woj saying the Sixers have offered Ben and more for Harden.

Just from Woj tweets I have reports that can back up both sides of the argument.

And if anybody thinks Houston had real interest in Ben, but turned it down out of spite, you are clinging to a report from a particular camp. Houston wouldnt turn down a trade for Ja, Trae, Luca, Zion out of spite. Ben Simmons just didn’t have the value in comparison to the picks. If they really wanted Ben, he would be a Rocket right now. And I’m sure Houston is happy with their decision.

It's a lot of correlation vs. causation in this post. There were numerous reports to come out succeeding the Harden saga that said they simply would not do a deal with Philadelphia for James Harden. If we're doing the receipts game let me know.

Let’s just use some logic. If the Rockets thought Ben was a special player, do you really think they turned down a player they really wanted out of spite?

You can find reports to support a lot of arguments, but you have to realize there are a lot of reasons teams and agents leak those reports. If you think Houston turned down a player they coveted out of spite, then that is an opinion I just disagree with. Again, Houston would not turn down offers for Morant, Luca, Joel, Tatum, etc out of spite. However they accepted a bunch of potential late round picks over Simmons.

I think if there are two similar deals, then they take the other deal to stick it to Morey, but the point is they made the deal that didn’t involve Ben, when in the Nets deal they didn’t even accept a long term piece in return.

The Rockets actions make it pretty clear they just didn’t value Ben very much, and the way he played in the playoffs, their decision was justified.

[Howard Cosell]

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Timberwolves giving Edwards, Beasley, and a 1st seems like a lot for Simmons. Or maybe I am undervaluing Simmons worth to Minnesota.

Simmons has value to Minnesota but Edwards won’t be part of any deal. Edwards 2nd half of his rookie season as a young 19 year old without any summer league or decent amount of preseason practice was historically impressive.

Twolves would love to have Simmons but will need to dislodge a win-now player from a 3rd team to give to 76ers with assets that don’t include Towns or Edwards.