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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4 

Post#921 » by DCasey91 » Mon Sep 6, 2021 12:37 am

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That trade wouldn't have been made by Raf Stone in a million years so.


Dumb trades happen all the time. For such a risk adverse environment GM’s really do poop the bed on trades and draft selections, contracts and asset management.

Morey traded Capela. Zero excuses in my book and he’s had the best record in the W/L column since entering.

Blunders happen frequently so jump on any and all of them imo.

When everyone is fearful be greedy, when everyone is happy be concerned sort of deal.

I mean our scout board here which is a tiny fraction of the the best place in the whole forum has the book on the draft formula. Half the clubs have NFI compared to others.


No like they literally came out and said they'd rather bottom out than toil in the middling ranks with Simmons. The fact that you (and essentially everyone else from this side) would do that deal without hesitation, should be enough of an indication that's unreasonably lopsided.


Okay there’s plenty of other market offers on the table. Cool not a good deal from the Rocket’s perspective I completely understand and agree.

But blunders happen all the time. No sweat go to the next one

This is time for our GM to show his worth

I get the Ben starting for the season in theory, but theory and reality don’t go hand in hand.

It’s a risky move if Ben becomes immovable closer to All Star to extract max value. Then what happens if the market offers are the same?

Groundhog season again.

This is why I like the Cavs proposition if there’s two lotto picks at stake. One is no dice again. Then move to the next one.

Best practice is to find the best deal that you possibly can.
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4 

Post#922 » by yuuby » Mon Sep 6, 2021 12:39 am

Daryl Morey is on a 5 year 60 mil contract and is going to get fleeced in a Simmons trade. Toughh scene.
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4 

Post#923 » by DCasey91 » Mon Sep 6, 2021 12:40 am

Kobblehead wrote:Sexton is neither an ace creator or a bomber. Ontop of not having a well-rounded game and being tiny.

He can run pick and roll and he's fierce. But he's not a guy I'm handing the keys of the offense to.


Well then whose your hypothetical fantasy guy or solution to the problem Kobble? All I keep seeing is negativity.

Lillard... nope
Sexton .. nope
KD?... nope

Ingram? Probably not.

Coby white? Yes

I mean MJ has been retired for yonks now lol
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4 

Post#924 » by stormi » Mon Sep 6, 2021 12:42 am

yuuby wrote:Daryl Morey is on a 5 year 60 mil contract and is going to get fleeced in a Simmons trade. Tought scene.


From our fav Hawks insider:

Based on my conservation today, Ben Simmons will be traded to the Portland Trailblazers in December for Norm Powell and RoCo.
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4 

Post#925 » by stormi » Mon Sep 6, 2021 12:44 am

People were fighting back about how the trade makes no sense whatsoever, and they kept doubling and tripling down.

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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4 

Post#926 » by yuuby » Mon Sep 6, 2021 12:45 am

stormi wrote:
yuuby wrote:Daryl Morey is on a 5 year 60 mil contract and is going to get fleeced in a Simmons trade. Tought scene.


From our fav Hawks insider:

Based on my conservation today, Ben Simmons will be traded to the Portland Trailblazers in December for Norm Powell and RoCo.



You guys need serious help if you actually believe a dumbass on the Hawks board has sources. Same thing goes for Dumas and same thing goes for that fraud on this board who goes by fl311 or whatever it was.
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4 

Post#927 » by stormi » Mon Sep 6, 2021 12:47 am

yuuby wrote:
stormi wrote:
yuuby wrote:Daryl Morey is on a 5 year 60 mil contract and is going to get fleeced in a Simmons trade. Tought scene.


From our fav Hawks insider:

Based on my conservation today, Ben Simmons will be traded to the Portland Trailblazers in December for Norm Powell and RoCo.



You guys need serious help if you actually believe a dumbass on the Hawks board has sources. Same thing goes for Dumas and same thing goes for that fraud on this board who goes by fl311 or whatever it was.


I'm only personally @'ing you because you seem the most likely to end up in the ward or davy jones' locker depending on the return.
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4 

Post#928 » by Kobblehead » Mon Sep 6, 2021 12:56 am

Powell, Covington, Elleby and like 3 first round picks?
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4 

Post#929 » by stormi » Mon Sep 6, 2021 1:16 am

Kobblehead wrote:Powell, Covington, Elleby and like 3 first round picks?


Would throw up tbh.

Maxey/Milton
Curry/Powell
Green/Covington
Harris/Niang
Embiid/Drummond

Super nice bench, but that's trending backwards...
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4 

Post#930 » by sixers4real » Mon Sep 6, 2021 1:34 am

Kobblehead wrote:Powell, Covington, Elleby and like 3 first round picks?

They don’t have 3 FRPs, don’t they?
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4 

Post#931 » by sixers4real » Mon Sep 6, 2021 1:46 am

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Kobblehead wrote:Sexton is neither an ace creator or a bomber. Ontop of not having a well-rounded game and being tiny.

He can run pick and roll and he's fierce. But he's not a guy I'm handing the keys of the offense to.


Well then whose your hypothetical fantasy guy or solution to the problem Kobble? All I keep seeing is negativity.

Lillard... nope
Sexton .. nope
KD?... nope

Ingram? Probably not.

Coby white? Yes

I mean MJ has been retired for yonks now lol

Only Fox can bring us championship because he can get an-assisted buckets, according to Kobble.
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4 

Post#932 » by the_process » Mon Sep 6, 2021 1:51 am

Portland has Dame and a bunch of C level assets.

Not worth talking to them IMO since Dame will have to ask out publicly for them to deal him and that is unlikely to happen anytime soon.
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4 

Post#933 » by Kobblehead » Mon Sep 6, 2021 1:53 am

sixers4real wrote:Only Fox can bring us championship because he can get an-assisted buckets, according to Kobble.

So what's your pushback?

Are you advocating that guys that need to be spoon-fed buckets is the path to a championship? What are you even doing?
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4 

Post#934 » by stormi » Mon Sep 6, 2021 2:12 am

PG (&Kawhi) got Shai + 4 unprotected frp's, a protected frp and 2 swaps.

Harden got Levert + 4 unprotected frp's + 4 swaps

Jrue got Bledsoe / Hill + 2 unprotected frp's + 2 swaps

Ben getting the warchest of 3 unprotecteds and 3 swaps, along with Prince/McDaniels isn't the worst value. But it would be struggle, at least until we could use it on something worthwhile.
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4 

Post#935 » by SixersFanInNY » Mon Sep 6, 2021 2:13 am

Kobblehead wrote:Things to keep in mind about Sexton:

- He's barely 6'2"
- He's not a good slasher.
- He's not a willing shooter.
- He's not a willing passer.
- He makes no plays defensively.


- He wants a max contract

I dont want anybody on a max contract unless they are truly max players. Since it seems unlikely that Simmons is going to net that type of player right now, I'd rather get a good 20M player and a bunch of potential (eg, potentially decent FRPs, swaps, young players with potential). Now if there were some sort of agreement that Sexton would sign for a more appropriate contract, my opinion would change.
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4 

Post#936 » by eyeatoma » Mon Sep 6, 2021 2:18 am

Lol what a douche!

I'm calling their bluff.

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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4 

Post#937 » by GutUNC » Mon Sep 6, 2021 2:37 am

eyeatoma wrote:Lol what a douche!

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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4 

Post#938 » by Mik317 » Mon Sep 6, 2021 3:07 am

i mean if we are trading Ben for a package (something I don't quite think we can do with our current roster; as while we have young scrubs in Joe, Kork, Shake and BBall...all we'd get back is other young scrubs..but that neither here or there) then the idea is that they are going to see what Maxey can do as the main ballhandler more than likely, no? So getting a main ballhandler back isn't the end of the world really in that scenario.

Sexton confuses me as he seems like he can be good...but he also seems like no one likes playing w/ him and he will need to get paaaaid. Also a poor fit next to maxey and IMO probably is best as a 6th man long term. Sending Ben to the Cavs would be funny tho. He says he is willing to go anywhere...but Cleveland will test that theory lol.

IMO of the rumored teams assuming Fox and Hali are off the table...the Spurs seem like the best bet IMO. Get a guard and one of their wings, probably Thad for contract reasons and some picks for like Ben and Shake and/or Joe....and that would be a nice shot in the dark at one of their young guys over performing while having picks to moves in future trades. Not sexy nor does it fix any of our issues...but the Ben trade will not do that at this stage...so its moreso about refilling the asset pile for the future.
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4 

Post#939 » by spikeslovechild » Mon Sep 6, 2021 3:24 am

SixersFanInNY wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:Things to keep in mind about Sexton:

- He's barely 6'2"
- He's not a good slasher.
- He's not a willing shooter.
- He's not a willing passer.
- He makes no plays defensively.


- He wants a max contract

I dont want anybody on a max contract unless they are truly max players. Since it seems unlikely that Simmons is going to net that type of player right now, I'd rather get a good 20M player and a bunch of potential (eg, potentially decent FRPs, swaps, young players with potential). Now if there were some sort of agreement that Sexton would sign for a more appropriate contract, my opinion would change.


The issue isn't just Sexton it's taking on KLove who is a headcase and massively overpaid. I literally would want Sexton just for taking on that contract and that is without considering Simmons value.

The trade would only make sense if we could later package Klove plus picks for another player and honestly I don't see that happening. Maybe you could get John Wall but you see the problem right? You are taking an asset and turning into an albatross then trying to figure how to unload that problem elsewhere.
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4 

Post#940 » by spikeslovechild » Mon Sep 6, 2021 3:31 am

Mik317 wrote:i mean if we are trading Ben for a package (something I don't quite think we can do with our current roster; as while we have young scrubs in Joe, Kork, Shake and BBall...all we'd get back is other young scrubs..but that neither here or there) then the idea is that they are going to see what Maxey can do as the main ballhandler more than likely, no? So getting a main ballhandler back isn't the end of the world really in that scenario.

Sexton confuses me as he seems like he can be good...but he also seems like no one likes playing w/ him and he will need to get paaaaid. Also a poor fit next to maxey and IMO probably is best as a 6th man long term. Sending Ben to the Cavs would be funny tho. He says he is willing to go anywhere...but Cleveland will test that theory lol.

IMO of the rumored teams assuming Fox and Hali are off the table...the Spurs seem like the best bet IMO. Get a guard and one of their wings, probably Thad for contract reasons and some picks for like Ben and Shake and/or Joe....and that would be a nice shot in the dark at one of their young guys over performing while having picks to moves in future trades. Not sexy nor does it fix any of our issues...but the Ben trade will not do that at this stage...so its moreso about refilling the asset pile for the future.


I wouldn't want to do a Haliburton for Ben trade anyways. I mean I like him but he's not in the same class. Also the Kings kind of annoy me with the idea that somehow Hield is an acceptable offer.

They were literally willing to dump him on the Lakers for trash. Personally I'd just play hardball with Ben unless a star gets disgruntled. We cannot afford to trade him for spare parts if we do so we aren't championship contenders anyways so whether he plays or not wouldn't be a factor we'd essentially just be doing him a favor at the expense of the team.

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