2025 NBA Draft (2)

[Iverson Armband]

So you say lack of rim attempts right?

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In all seriousness, this video made me go back and check Tre's verticals at the combine b/c I kept waiting for him to "explode" and get above the rim or even look like he's getting some air. Let's not forget he's got a 6'10" swingspan so you'd think a 37.5 vert and 6-10 wing gets his hand with the ball easily above the rim.

I left that video with two things. Tre's vert at the combine is not his in-game vert. His in-game vert is a lot lower. Two, he still looks stiff in the hips and generally.

Does SGA jump out of the gym? Haliburton? McCain? How about Cade Cunningham? He looks plenty athletic. The touch and creativity is there. It’s basketball not the Olympics.

[youngcrev]

How do you guys see Harper fitting with Maxey? With Tre or Edge it would be seamless, but with Harper i have my doubts, since i dont know if Tyrese would be happy becoming more of a off guard now, since he´s used to be the "pg" since Harden left.

Amazing fit. Tyrese is fine as a focal point, but he's elite as a guy that's attacking an off balance defense with his shooting and speed. Pairing him with a guy that's a more natural distributor that gets paint touches, can score in traffic and has the size to defend wings would be perfect.

As for any ego stuff, I think Tyrese just wants to play ball and will do whatever is asked of him.

[Arsenal]

The problem with Harper is he can't shoot (yet). If he never develops as a great shooter then he'll need the ball in his hands all the time. Our ideal scenario here is Maxey and his backcourt partner both can play on or off-ball effectively to open the floor for each other.

We've seen the last couple years how the floor gets compressed, hurting Maxey's efficiency when there's not enough shooting around him.

[M2J]

I feel the opposite. It’s a fine draft at the top; Cooper aside, no easily identifiable superstars. Bad draft from beyond lottery. I'm notorious for not knowing who should be the top selection, so this year should be no different.

To clarify, you saying up to 14 is bad, or after 14. I might agree that it has gotten a weaker after the lottery. At so many different players have decided to stay due to NIL.

After the lottery. I think there are 3 All Star level players in the lottery (Flagg, Harper, Fears) with a chance of possibly one more. A bunch of decent starters. After the lottery is pretty piss poor in my opinion. Willing to be surprised though.

I generally agree with that.

[Black Mage]

So you say lack of rim attempts right?

Watch on YouTube

Dropped a new workout video

Ben Simmons is sending you his 3 pt shooting workout videos!

In all seriousness, this video made me go back and check Tre's verticals at the combine b/c I kept waiting for him to "explode" and get above the rim or even look like he's getting some air. Let's not forget he's got a 6'10" swingspan so you'd think a 37.5 vert and 6-10 wing gets his hand with the ball easily above the rim.

I left that video with two things. Tre's vert at the combine is not his in-game vert. His in-game vert is a lot lower. Two, he still looks stiff in the hips and generally.

Does SGA jump out of the gym? Haliburton? McCain? How about Cade Cunningham? He looks plenty athletic. The touch and creativity is there. It’s basketball not the Olympics.

SGA and Haliburton did not have any questions marks about being able to get to and finish at the rim in college. Are we seriously comparing short McCain to Tre to try and buttress your argument? Cade also dunked in college and in the pros.

I just don't see the kind of explosive leaping you'd expect from a guy with a 37.5 vert. With that vert and his wingspan and in a practice session where guys are supposed to look unstoppable; he looked meh to me. I've been saying his hips are stiffer than you think in a game setting and this video also showed that.

[M2J]

The problem with Harper is he can't shoot (yet). If he never develops as a great shooter then he'll need the ball in his hands all the time. Our ideal scenario here is Maxey and his backcourt partner both can play on or off-ball effectively to open the floor for each other.

We've seen the last couple years how the floor gets compressed, hurting Maxey's efficiency when there's not enough shooting around him.

Not enough shooting around him and no other creator on the floor to take advantage of the coverage he's getting. Like the way teams trap him when George or Joel or Jared (yes he's played on very injured teams) aren't on the floor... A playmaker should be able to get the outlet and basically go 4 on 3. The lack of spacing compounds that further

[Iverson Armband]

Ben Simmons is sending you his 3 pt shooting workout videos!

In all seriousness, this video made me go back and check Tre's verticals at the combine b/c I kept waiting for him to "explode" and get above the rim or even look like he's getting some air. Let's not forget he's got a 6'10" swingspan so you'd think a 37.5 vert and 6-10 wing gets his hand with the ball easily above the rim.

I left that video with two things. Tre's vert at the combine is not his in-game vert. His in-game vert is a lot lower. Two, he still looks stiff in the hips and generally.

Does SGA jump out of the gym? Haliburton? McCain? How about Cade Cunningham? He looks plenty athletic. The touch and creativity is there. It’s basketball not the Olympics.

SGA and Haliburton did not have any questions marks about being able to get to and finish at the rim in college. Are we seriously comparing short McCain to Tre to try and buttress your argument? Cade also dunked in college and in the pros.

I just don't see the kind of explosive leaping you'd expect from a guy with a 37.5 vert. With that vert and his wingspan and in a practice session where guys are supposed to look unstoppable; he looked meh to me. I've been saying his hips are stiffer than you think in a game setting and this video also showed that.

And I’ve seen plenty of guys jump out the gym in workouts and can’t play actual basketball worth a damn. Who cares about dunking in a workout from a 2/3 who can shoot and put the ball in the basket the way he can. On a real team, he shows enough skill to be able to get to the basket adequately enough on the rare times the shot isn’t falling.

[Negrodamus]

Ace definitely has allstar upside . Fears lol ok ...

Alright bro, and for the first 4 months after drafting McCain you were saying he's Jaden Springer and he's ass while I was saying he'll be top five in the ROY race before he played a game for us. Let be serious.

[Stanford]

Ace definitely has allstar upside . Fears lol ok ...

Alright bro, and for the first 4 months after drafting McCain you were saying he's Jaden Springer and he's ass while I was saying he'll be top five in the ROY race before he played a game for us. Let be serious.

Got his ass

[zaz102]

The problem with Harper is he can't shoot (yet). If he never develops as a great shooter then he'll need the ball in his hands all the time. Our ideal scenario here is Maxey and his backcourt partner both can play on or off-ball effectively to open the floor for each other.

We've seen the last couple years how the floor gets compressed, hurting Maxey's efficiency when there's not enough shooting around him.

The ideal scenario is going to be tough to find though. There's only a handful of bigger guards that can play effectively on and off ball and none of them are realistically gettable.

Otherwise, you have to pick your poison. A small guard like McCain that might be able to play on and off ball effectively, a bigger guard like Grimes who is more effective off ball, or a guard like Harper is more effective on ball. McCain isn't going to get taller. Grimes probably isn't going to get much better on ball. For Harper, there's hope he can learn to shoot, but he very well could never become a good shooter.

[Jailblazers7]

The problem with Harper is he can't shoot (yet). If he never develops as a great shooter then he'll need the ball in his hands all the time. Our ideal scenario here is Maxey and his backcourt partner both can play on or off-ball effectively to open the floor for each other.

We've seen the last couple years how the floor gets compressed, hurting Maxey's efficiency when there's not enough shooting around him.

Even if Harper isn’t a plus shooter (I think he probably settles at league avg), our rim pressure would be elite with him and Maxey. He might not have shooting gravity but you still can’t help off him too aggressively because of his ability to exploit advantages as a driver.

[Mik317]

Haliburton still has issues getting to the rim. His just somehow turned this funky ass jumper into actually good somehow. His gift is that he gets rid of the ball quickly which throws defenses off tho.

[Iverson Armband]

LaMelo Ball is probably the perfect offensive fit next to Maxey.

[OleSchool]

Hey guys, haven't posted in a while but been lurking.

Might as well throw my .02 in the mix

I'm so meh with this lottery, (even IF Harper fell to 2) that I'm at the point I think Morey should call OKC ask for 15, our swaps back, and some small asset from them for 3.

That way, if Embiid's knee is toast (which it probably is) we have control of our picks, except what we owe Brooklyn. Which if I'm not mistaken has to be conveyed 2 years AFTER our obligation to OKC?

[Iverson Armband]

Hey guys, haven't posted in a while but been lurking.

Might as well throw my .02 in the mix

I'm so meh with this lottery, (even IF Harper fell to 2) that I'm at the point I think Morey should call OKC ask for 15, our swaps back, and some small asset from them for 3.

That way, if Embiid's knee is toast (which it probably is) we have control of our picks, except what we owe Brooklyn. Which if I'm not mistaken has to be conveyed 2 years AFTER our obligation to OKC?

I’m sure OKC would love to do that deal.

[OleSchool]

Hey guys, haven't posted in a while but been lurking.

Might as well throw my .02 in the mix

I'm so meh with this lottery, (even IF Harper fell to 2) that I'm at the point I think Morey should call OKC ask for 15, our swaps back, and some small asset from them for 3.

That way, if Embiid's knee is toast (which it probably is) we have control of our picks, except what we owe Brooklyn. Which if I'm not mistaken has to be conveyed 2 years AFTER our obligation to OKC?

I’m sure OKC would love to do that deal.

I'm sure they would and so am I.

If Joel is done we probably won't make the playoffs unless PG finds the fountain of youth.

We got lucky this year moving to 3. Those pick to OKC are only top 4 protected for the next 2 years. You want to roll the dice giving up potentially high lottery picks in what may be a better draft when we'll have to start all over?

[Mik317]

The East is going to be bad next year so even our bitch asses probably trip into the playoffs by default

[Iverson Armband]

We got lucky this year moving to 3.

Exactly. So then why are we trading it away for a future pick that’s guaranteed to be worse?

[Black Mage]

Does SGA jump out of the gym? Haliburton? McCain? How about Cade Cunningham? He looks plenty athletic. The touch and creativity is there. It’s basketball not the Olympics.

SGA and Haliburton did not have any questions marks about being able to get to and finish at the rim in college. Are we seriously comparing short McCain to Tre to try and buttress your argument? Cade also dunked in college and in the pros.

I just don't see the kind of explosive leaping you'd expect from a guy with a 37.5 vert. With that vert and his wingspan and in a practice session where guys are supposed to look unstoppable; he looked meh to me. I've been saying his hips are stiffer than you think in a game setting and this video also showed that.

And I’ve seen plenty of guys jump out the gym in workouts and can’t play actual basketball worth a damn. Who cares about dunking in a workout from a 2/3 who can shoot and put the ball in the basket the way he can. On a real team, he shows enough skill to be able to get to the basket adequately enough on the rare times the shot isn’t falling.

1. A workout is where you would expect to see a player who struggled getting to the rim and getting above the rim in college to demonstrate he can. Tre played in that workout exactly how he did at college where he struggled.

2. A lot of people gave Tre more consideration b/c of his combine results especially on the vertical and wingspan. This video suggests that the combine vertical is the aberration and when in a game setting handling the ball he's going to display a significantly shorter vertical.

3. Tre got to the rim less than Ace did and Texas was a better squad than Rutgers; so yeah wanting to see a more explosive ability in a gym workout would be nice.

[OleSchool]

We got lucky this year moving to 3.

Exactly. So then why are we trading it away for a future pick that’s guaranteed to be worse?

Cause none of these guys being talked about at 3 has #1 or even second option potential.

The "closest" is Ace and so many things have to go right for him to even approach that level.

The other guys Trae, VJ, Kon etc will probably be nice role players eventually.

At least we have control over our future picks it opens up optionality for any future trades.