2016 NBA Draft/College Basketball Thread

[Agnostifarian]

Ingram has tons of projectable talent and skill, but hasn't established it yet at the collegiate level.

Yup. Same thing with Wiggins during his freshman year. Had all the hype and projectables, but no consistent demonstration of excellence.

I agree with both of you. One difference between the players is pretty obvious; Wiggins had already grown into his body when he got to Kansas whereas Ingram still looks like a kid coming off the stretching rack. Ingram also has the skill set to be an NBA wing, he's longer than Wiggins and Ingram's ceiling is higher than Wiggins' (I think).

[Jstock12]

I don't know how you don't pick Ben Simmons first. This kid seems as sure fire as a prospect can be. If Philly does end up picking him, then they should probably trade Saric away. They seem to have pretty similar skillsets

[Kolkmania]

I don't know how you don't pick Ben Simmons first. This kid seems as sure fire as a prospect can be. If Philly does end up picking him, then they should probably trade Saric away. They seem to have pretty similar skillsets

I have sincere doubts how Simmons' game will translate to the NBA. Is he such a good playmaker that he will be a true point forward? Because off-ball will really hurt the spacing. Besides that I've yet to see some half-court plays that make me wow. Until the time that he shows flashes of a decent jumper, I have Ingram at 1.

[Ericb5]

I don't know how you don't pick Ben Simmons first. This kid seems as sure fire as a prospect can be. If Philly does end up picking him, then they should probably trade Saric away. They seem to have pretty similar skillsets

They have similar skills sets, but that doesn't mean that they won't be complimentary. Saric can come off the bench too so we could have a point forward type on the floor at all times.


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[Jstock12]

I don't know how you don't pick Ben Simmons first. This kid seems as sure fire as a prospect can be. If Philly does end up picking him, then they should probably trade Saric away. They seem to have pretty similar skillsets

They have similar skills sets, but that doesn't mean that they won't be complimentary. Saric can come off the bench too so we could have a point forward type on the floor at all times.


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I do get what you mean, but my point was that if Saric still has good trade value by the time he enters the league, then it might make sense to trade him for other assets, like filling a position of need, and then just sign a veteran to be Simmons' backup. That way you build a balanced roster that can start learning how to win games.

Not sure if I explained it very good, if not sorry. I'm not a native English speaker.

[BoomBap]

when we get simmons, i trade jah for a guard and play with simmons-saric-noel. #leagueisnotready

[freshie2]

I don't know how you don't pick Ben Simmons first. This kid seems as sure fire as a prospect can be. If Philly does end up picking him, then they should probably trade Saric away. They seem to have pretty similar skillsets

They have similar skills sets, but that doesn't mean that they won't be complimentary. Saric can come off the bench too so we could have a point forward type on the floor at all times.


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I do get what you mean, but my point was that if Saric still has good trade value by the time he enters the league, then it might make sense to trade him for other assets, like filling a position of need, and then just sign a veteran to be Simmons' backup. That way you build a balanced roster that can start learning how to win games.

Not sure if I explained it very good, if not sorry. I'm not a native English speaker.

There will be lots of moving pieces...this makes sense, although if saric is as good as advertised maybe Simmons is the one that gets moved?? I doubt it, but there will be a lot of changes over the next few years.

[Jstock12]

when we get simmons, i trade jah for a guard and play with simmons-saric-noel. #leagueisnotready

Why trade Jahlil? I don't follow the Sixers board very much. Do the Sixers fans don't like him for some reason?

[Kobblehead]

when we get simmons, i trade jah for a guard and play with simmons-saric-noel. #leagueisnotready

Why trade Jahlil? I don't follow the Sixers board very much. Do the Sixers fans don't like him for some reason?

He can't protect the rim or rebound. Meaning, he's not a C in this league.

[Jstock12]

when we get simmons, i trade jah for a guard and play with simmons-saric-noel. #leagueisnotready

Why trade Jahlil? I don't follow the Sixers board very much. Do the Sixers fans don't like him for some reason?

He can't protect the rim or rebound. Meaning, he's not a C in this league.

He's a 20 year old putting 18/8 as a rookie. He's definitely a C in this league. His defensive numbers are better than Drummond when he was a rookie too. I think you're writing Jahlil off too pre-maturely.

[Kobblehead]

Why trade Jahlil? I don't follow the Sixers board very much. Do the Sixers fans don't like him for some reason?

He can't protect the rim or rebound. Meaning, he's not a C in this league.

He's a 20 year old putting 18/8 as a rookie. He's definitely a C in this league. His defensive numbers are better than Drummond when he was a rookie too. I think you're writing Jahlil off too pre-maturely.

lol ridiculous

[Jstock12]

He can't protect the rim or rebound. Meaning, he's not a C in this league.

He's a 20 year old putting 18/8 as a rookie. He's definitely a C in this league. His defensive numbers are better than Drummond when he was a rookie too. I think you're writing Jahlil off too pre-maturely.

lol ridiculous

What is? Can you elaborate? As I said, I don't really follow Sixers that much, so I might very well be wrong. To me Okafor seems like a great young player.

[Kolkmania]

He's a 20 year old putting 18/8 as a rookie. He's definitely a C in this league. His defensive numbers are better than Drummond when he was a rookie too. I think you're writing Jahlil off too pre-maturely.

lol ridiculous

What is? Can you elaborate? As I said, I don't really follow Sixers that much, so I might very well be wrong. To me Okafor seems like a great young player.

What defensive numbers say he's a decent defender? Percentage shots made with him close to the shooter perhaps, well that's the problem. He rarely rotates in time so he doesn't contest a lot

Okafor won't be a good defender in the near future and I even doubt he will ever be. Just like an offensive game requires a certain skill set, being a good defender is a skill as well. I agree with the majority on this board that Okafor should lose some pounds and focus at the 4 position.

[Jstock12]

lol ridiculous

What is? Can you elaborate? As I said, I don't really follow Sixers that much, so I might very well be wrong. To me Okafor seems like a great young player.

What defensive numbers say he's a decent defender? Percentage shots made with him close to the shooter perhaps, well that's the problem. He rarely rotates in time so he doesn't contest a lot

Okafor won't be a good defender in the near future and I even doubt he will ever be. Just like an offensive game requires a certain skill set, being a good defender is a skill as well. I agree with the majority on this board that Okafor should lose some pounds and focus at the 4 position.

Oh, you meant him trying to convert into a PF. That makes sense. I thought you were saying Okafor doesn't belong in the NBA at all.

[Ericb5]

What is? Can you elaborate? As I said, I don't really follow Sixers that much, so I might very well be wrong. To me Okafor seems like a great young player.

What defensive numbers say he's a decent defender? Percentage shots made with him close to the shooter perhaps, well that's the problem. He rarely rotates in time so he doesn't contest a lot

Okafor won't be a good defender in the near future and I even doubt he will ever be. Just like an offensive game requires a certain skill set, being a good defender is a skill as well. I agree with the majority on this board that Okafor should lose some pounds and focus at the 4 position.

Oh, you meant him trying to convert into a PF. That makes sense. I thought you were saying Okafor doesn't belong in the NBA at all.

I certainly agree that Okafor is not likely to be a good defender, and he isn't particularly skilled or physically gifted enough defensively. However, when I watch him defend, I see a lot of his problems as not knowing how to do it, or recognizing the situations fast enough. So in that sense, I think that he has room to improve simply with coaching and practice.

It isn't like his recognition is spot on, but his physical limitations keep him from making the play. He gets caught flat footed, and makes bad choices.

[76ers]

What defensive numbers say he's a decent defender? Percentage shots made with him close to the shooter perhaps, well that's the problem. He rarely rotates in time so he doesn't contest a lot

Okafor won't be a good defender in the near future and I even doubt he will ever be. Just like an offensive game requires a certain skill set, being a good defender is a skill as well. I agree with the majority on this board that Okafor should lose some pounds and focus at the 4 position.

Oh, you meant him trying to convert into a PF. That makes sense. I thought you were saying Okafor doesn't belong in the NBA at all.

I certainly agree that Okafor is not likely to be a good defender, and he isn't particularly skilled or physically gifted enough defensively. However, when I watch him defend, I see a lot of his problems as not knowing how to do it, or recognizing the situations fast enough. So in that sense, I think that he has room to improve simply with coaching and practice.

It isn't like his recognition is spot on, but his physical limitations keep him from making the play. He gets caught flat footed, and makes bad choices.

Yeah, when I watch Okafor defend, I really notice a lack of awareness and indecisiveness. You hope he can improve, but when he makes mistakes, he can't rely on his athleticism to bail him out.

[Mik317]

If Simmons is as good as advertised (havent watched much of him because of reasons), then he dictates where we go in terms of who stays and who leaves. Just like if Jah was good enough to be that dude, then Noel and Embiid would suddenly have no place here and no one would bat an eye. If like if we got LeBron and being like ....well but Ish needs the ball doe. Great players dictate a lot of stuff. Hell, that is why we forced Noel into learning how to play the 4...in order to play with Embiid.

Besides, Simmons would not be a Jah situation. Even if he cannot play the 3 (I think people write that off too soon actually), he fits perfectly next to all 3 of our bigs. Hell, I could even see a crazy ass small ball lineup with Saric and Simmons running ****. But bottom line, if dude is good enough then two of our bigs will be moved or be ok with coming off the bench. Embiid for one can't be relied on and probably won't be able to handle starters minutes even if he could. So my bet he comes off the pine for his first year or two anyway. Saric seems like a great 6th man type as well.

and again while we need shooters...we also need creators or hell wings that don't die the moment they "try" to dribble.

[Agnostifarian]

Mitotic, Capela, Porzingas, Gianis, Exum, Muiday, Bender,... Where would Saric rank in the 2016 Draft if he were eligible?

[Kobblehead]

Simmons on ESPNU right now.

[Ericb5]

Mitotic, Capela, Porzingas, Gianis, Exum, Muiday, Bender,... Where would Saric rank in the 2016 Draft if he were eligible?

I think he would be in the same tier with everyone after Simmons and Ingram. This draft is not close to as deep as the 2014 one was.


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