2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread

[jrob23]

Looking at the bottom 6 teams if everything holds to form I can't see guards being the top 3 picks. Philly Boston Phoenix Dallas Minnesota Miami. I can't see Boston taking yet another guard. Would Phoenix? I don't think they would. Dallas? Yes. Minnesota? Possibly but they need a wing. Miami? Yes. I know talent trumps position but Boston taking another guard wouldn't be stupid if the player is good but it just adds to their roster another guy who plays the same position. Phoenix has guards. Again if they chose a good guard I can't say it would be stupid but it adds to a position they gave many of.

what's the saying? If you have too many guards you really have none? Or something like that. I mean, there's a reason Ainge kept acquiring them. First Bradley who is really an undersized SG, then Smart who can't shoot, then IT who is shrimp who can't defend and can be a black hole on offense, then Rozier who has a little bit of everything but probably not starter material. Any one of the PG in the top of this draft would be the PG of our future over all the guards we have. We addressed SF w/Brown so not sure we take Jackson, Tatum, Bridges, Isaac or Anunoby (though I think they're all better prospects than him imo). We just drafted Yabusele and Zizic (very excited about him) so we don't necessarily need to take a PF/C like the risky Giles, Adebayo, or Markkanen. So that leaves SG with Jackson, Monk or Ferguson as the path of least resistance but we have a just entering his prime Avery Bradley. I dunno what Danny is thinking. There's really not much separating the lottery picks. Each will have a long successful career with high upside. You guys could take Monk at #5 and he could have a worse career than Ferguson, Allen, and Hart taken much later. Now, Monk has a higher upside I'll give you that. But he's also the smallest and has questions about defense and his handle. It's a really deep draft and you are probably going to get 1 star and if not another...at worst a very good starter. What I think will work best for you:

Ball
Jackson
Simmons
Saric
Embid

[phiphan]

Ainge will take Jackson

[ProcessDoctor]

Ainge will take Jackson

I agree. I sure hope we get a crack at him first...

[Negrodamus]

The rate in which Malik Monk is improving on offense is making me change my mind about our pick. He is showing very solid handles and took it to the rim quite a few times against Ole Miss. How many of his points were from fast break opportunities? Now imagine him with Simmons.

[Unbreakable99]

If Ainge takes Jackson then get a defensive center like Noel they will be the greatest defensive team in NBA history. Smh.

[PhilasFinest]

Am I horrible person for kind of really wanting Giles with that Lakers pick? My love for him can't be stopped by the injuries. To me, he was a slam dunk first pick before he kept getting hurt. I guess I have to pump the brakes a bit after multiple knee injuries, but man, he was so good pre-college.

I'd be happy to take him if the knees are looking good, but I wouldn't take him any higher than 6th though, just due to fit.

I think he will either look healthy and go in the top 5, or he won't, and will go closer to 9 or 10.


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You have to wonder if the success of Embiid (And I hope it continues). Will play a part in a GM's willingness to pick Giles in the top 5 of the draft. It's a massive risk reward play. Medical science is growing in leaps and bounds, but that human element is always a wild card so on paper he could be fixed but his body might just say "ahhhhh No!". And currently there are no GM's that have the latitude that 76ers GM had when Embiid was picked. But if Giles is as good as was once projected, someone is going to get a great steal if he can stay healthy. I wonder if Boston would roll the dice on him after all they are playing with house money.

Giles tore his ACL, MCL and meniscus in his left knee in 2013, then his ACL in his right knee in November. In October of this year, Duke announced that he underwent arthroscopic surgery on his left knee, leaving him with an anticipated six-week timeline before returning.

I know the kid has talent, but its kinda totally different from the Embiid situation. Embiid was looking like the clear cut #1 pick, and then broke his foot pre draft during a workout. Outside of the back injury at the end of the NCAA season, it was not like this was the 3rd time he broke his foot.

Giles has torn literally everything in his entire left knee, then the ACL in his right knee and just had a 2nd surgery on the left knee. I don't ever care for the term "minor" surgery, because every surgery is major and going into a surgically repaired knee for a 2nd time is never a good thing.

Medical Science has certainly come along way, and guys recover from things much quicker and better than before.....but unless its at some bargain price, Id be very leery of using a top 10 pick on the kid. I would be shocked if he came out of the pre draft process without any red flags.

Embiid has had 2 surgeries, Okafor 1 on his knee, Noel has had 2, Simmons has had 1.....I think I'm looking for guys who are healthy without medical risks....we have enough of them.

[phiphan]

Giles is in a tough spot. He probably shouldn't enter the draft this year, but waiting a year might mean he blows out his knee(s) again and truly tanks his stock.

[Ericb5]

Giles is in a tough spot. He probably shouldn't enter the draft this year, but waiting a year might mean he blows out his knee(s) again and truly tanks his stock.

He should definitely come out this year. There is no reason to think that he couldn't be full strength at some point this season, and when he gets there his talent will shine through.

The injury cloud hangs over him, but he is still in good position to be taken in the top 6.


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[cksdayoff]

is jaylen brown not one of the future pieces on the celtics? why would the celtics take another sf in josh jackson

[Marcus]

is jaylen brown not one of the future pieces on the celtics? why would the celtics take another sf in josh jackson

Lineup variety. Allows Josh to play some 3 while Jaylen plays four if they want to go small. Josh can also play some 2 to alleviate some of the vertical issues they have defensively in their backcourt. Josh would also provide them with another playmaker to go along with IT.

[phiphan]

Giles is in a tough spot. He probably shouldn't enter the draft this year, but waiting a year might mean he blows out his knee(s) again and truly tanks his stock.

He should definitely come out this year. There is no reason to think that he couldn't be full strength at some point this season, and when he gets there his talent will shine through.

The injury cloud hangs over him, but he is still in good position to be taken in the top 6.

Have you watched him yet this year? He's supposedly fully healed but plays as if he's scared out of his mind. No explosiveness or lateral quickness as well. There's a good reason to believe that he may not reach full strength this season given his injury history and current timidity, which may or may not resolve itself this season. I'm not saying it won't happen, but if he looks bad he should wait. He could be the one sitting around in the green room this year.

[Duke4life831]

Giles is in a tough spot. He probably shouldn't enter the draft this year, but waiting a year might mean he blows out his knee(s) again and truly tanks his stock.

He should definitely come out this year. There is no reason to think that he couldn't be full strength at some point this season, and when he gets there his talent will shine through.

The injury cloud hangs over him, but he is still in good position to be taken in the top 6.

Have you watched him yet this year? He's supposedly fully healed but plays as if he's scared out of his mind. No explosiveness or lateral quickness as well. There's a good reason to believe that he may not reach full strength this season given his injury history and current timidity, which may or may not resolve itself this season. I'm not saying it won't happen, but if he looks bad he should wait. He could be the one sitting around in the green room this year.

Hes played a total of 10 minutes, no longer than 4 minutes at once. He hasn't played basketball in over a year. Up until the last game against Elon he had practiced with the team 4 times. Hes has to learn to play with the team and where he needs to be on the court and he needs to shake off a ton of rust he has. To say he has no explosiveness or quickness when hes played in small bursts for a total of 10 minutes is a little premature I think. He still has over 3 months to knock off the rust and show he can play. Even if he doesn't a team is going to take a chance on him in the 1st round. Coming back to college for another year would be extremely risky and dumb.

[smittybanton]

Javon Carter v. Juwan Evans. Carter crushes the first half. I wish we had Briante Weber on this year's team. I'd love Javon Carter with one of our two second round picks.

[phiphan]

He should definitely come out this year. There is no reason to think that he couldn't be full strength at some point this season, and when he gets there his talent will shine through.

The injury cloud hangs over him, but he is still in good position to be taken in the top 6.

Have you watched him yet this year? He's supposedly fully healed but plays as if he's scared out of his mind. No explosiveness or lateral quickness as well. There's a good reason to believe that he may not reach full strength this season given his injury history and current timidity, which may or may not resolve itself this season. I'm not saying it won't happen, but if he looks bad he should wait. He could be the one sitting around in the green room this year.

Hes played a total of 10 minutes, no longer than 4 minutes at once. He hasn't played basketball in over a year. Up until the last game against Elon he had practiced with the team 4 times. Hes has to learn to play with the team and where he needs to be on the court and he needs to shake off a ton of rust he has. To say he has no explosiveness or quickness when hes played in small bursts for a total of 10 minutes is a little premature I think. He still has over 3 months to knock off the rust and show he can play. Even if he doesn't a team is going to take a chance on him in the 1st round. Coming back to college for another year would be extremely risky and dumb.

Guess we'll see.

[Ericb5]

Giles is in a tough spot. He probably shouldn't enter the draft this year, but waiting a year might mean he blows out his knee(s) again and truly tanks his stock.

He should definitely come out this year. There is no reason to think that he couldn't be full strength at some point this season, and when he gets there his talent will shine through.

The injury cloud hangs over him, but he is still in good position to be taken in the top 6.

Have you watched him yet this year? He's supposedly fully healed but plays as if he's scared out of his mind. No explosiveness or lateral quickness as well. There's a good reason to believe that he may not reach full strength this season given his injury history and current timidity, which may or may not resolve itself this season. I'm not saying it won't happen, but if he looks bad he should wait. He could be the one sitting around in the green room this year.

He has played two games and like 4 minutes each game. Wait until he is playing for a full month or two before you make up your mind.


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[phiphan]

He should definitely come out this year. There is no reason to think that he couldn't be full strength at some point this season, and when he gets there his talent will shine through.

The injury cloud hangs over him, but he is still in good position to be taken in the top 6.

Have you watched him yet this year? He's supposedly fully healed but plays as if he's scared out of his mind. No explosiveness or lateral quickness as well. There's a good reason to believe that he may not reach full strength this season given his injury history and current timidity, which may or may not resolve itself this season. I'm not saying it won't happen, but if he looks bad he should wait. He could be the one sitting around in the green room this year.

He has played two games and like 4 minutes each game. Wait until he is playing for a full month or two before you make up your mind.


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I haven't made up my mind. Maybe read my post where I equivocate all over the place.

[Ericb5]

Have you watched him yet this year? He's supposedly fully healed but plays as if he's scared out of his mind. No explosiveness or lateral quickness as well. There's a good reason to believe that he may not reach full strength this season given his injury history and current timidity, which may or may not resolve itself this season. I'm not saying it won't happen, but if he looks bad he should wait. He could be the one sitting around in the green room this year.

He has played two games and like 4 minutes each game. Wait until he is playing for a full month or two before you make up your mind.


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I haven't made up my mind. Maybe read my post where I equivocate all over the place.

You have made up your mind that he is fully healed, and that is a dubious position. He just got back to the floor, and he is OBVIOUSLY going to take a month or two to show anything.


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[phiphan]

Coach K himself said that Giles was fully healed, and "supposedly" is a word that expresses doubt, as do the phrases "good reason," "may or may not," "I'm not saying it won't happen," and "if he looks bad." None of these phrases express certainty.

There is no reason to think that he couldn't be full strength at some point this season.

This is an expression of someone having made up his mind.

[Ericb5]

Coach K himself said that Giles was fully healed, and "supposedly" is a word that expresses doubt, as do the phrases "good reason," "may or may not," "I'm not saying it won't happen," and "if he looks bad." None of these phrases express certainty.

There is no reason to think that he couldn't be full strength at some point this season.

This is an expression of someone having made up his mind.

Being healed and being at full strength are two different things.

I haven't made up my mind in anyway other than to say that he deserves more time before we decide if he is back in form or not.

What player is ever back to full strength 2 games of 5 minutes or less of playing time after two consecutive knee surgeries?

It's absurd on its face. Let's see him play 25 minutes a game for 10 straight games before we assess him.


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[phiphan]

And my point was that it's difficult to believe he'll be at full strength after missing the entire last year, starting the season off with knee surgery, and now coming back nearly mid-season with a great deal of fear that he'll get injured again. You can repeatedly say it's absurd but that doesn't make it so.