Markelle Fultz Discussion

[Negrodamus]

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this is from a lakers beat writer, which is funny. only problem i have with those projections are the win totals. sixers are winning 40+ games barring health

If he puts up those numbers, we're in the playoffs.

[LloydFree]

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this is from a lakers beat writer, which is funny. only problem i have with those projections are the win totals. sixers are winning 40+ games barring health

If he puts up those numbers, we're in the playoffs.

We'll get to the playoffs whether Fultz gets those numbers or not. A healthy Embiid will drag this team to the playoffs, and if he isn't healthy they wont go, period.

Fultz won't get anywhere near 18 Points per game. He won't get the minutes. Bradley Beal, who is a comparable talent, who started on a young team, scored 13 a game. CJ McCollum didn't score over 18 ppg until he was a 24 year old NBA veteran. I'd expect Fultz to score 13 per game.

[Negrodamus]

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this is from a lakers beat writer, which is funny. only problem i have with those projections are the win totals. sixers are winning 40+ games barring health

If he puts up those numbers, we're in the playoffs.

We'll get to the playoffs whether Fultz gets those numbers or not. A healthy Embiid will drag this team to the playoffs, and if he isn't healthy they wont go, period.

Fultz won't get anywhere near 18 Points per game. He won't get the minutes. Bradley Beal, who is a comparable talent, who started on a young team, scored 13 a game. CJ McCollum didn't score over 18 ppg until he was a 24 year old NBA veteran. I'd expect Fultz to score 13 per game.

So if Embiid gets injured mid season and Fultz + Simmons put up some big numbers (like the numbers mentioned above), there's zero chance they go? It's either Embiid carries them or nothing? Seems a little hyperbolic.

[LloydFree]

If he puts up those numbers, we're in the playoffs.

We'll get to the playoffs whether Fultz gets those numbers or not. A healthy Embiid will drag this team to the playoffs, and if he isn't healthy they wont go, period.

Fultz won't get anywhere near 18 Points per game. He won't get the minutes. Bradley Beal, who is a comparable talent, who started on a young team, scored 13 a game. CJ McCollum didn't score over 18 ppg until he was a 24 year old NBA veteran. I'd expect Fultz to score 13 per game.

So if Embiid gets injured mid season and Fultz + Simmons put up some big numbers (like the numbers mentioned above), there's zero chance they go? It's either Embiid carries them or nothing? Seems a little hyperbolic.

It may sound hyperbolic, but that's how I see it. Fultz isn't old enough or good enough to affect the 76ers playoff chances this year. Without Embiid, Simmons isn't enough, and I think Simmons will be great. But Simmons, Redick, Fultz, Covington and Holmes isn't a playoff team. Even in the East.

[bedjawII]

Scout 2 said he reminds him of DWade

A lot of NBA experts have said that...

Have to say I knew nothing of Fultz... never followed him as I didn't see any Washington games as I thought we had zero chance at the #1 pick... but even I only had to watch 5 minutes of highlights to immediately say he reminded me of Dwayne Wade and that was before hearing any NBA expert say the same thing.

So it surprises me more to see some people say he doesn't remind them of Wade. Not saying he will be as a good a player but the way he moves, shoots, attacks the basket and creates his own shot is like a clone of Wade.

It's not some. It's one. The same guy who claims he has below average handles and athleticism.

[LloydFree]

A lot of NBA experts have said that...

Have to say I knew nothing of Fultz... never followed him as I didn't see any Washington games as I thought we had zero chance at the #1 pick... but even I only had to watch 5 minutes of highlights to immediately say he reminded me of Dwayne Wade and that was before hearing any NBA expert say the same thing.

So it surprises me more to see some people say he doesn't remind them of Wade. Not saying he will be as a good a player but the way he moves, shoots, attacks the basket and creates his own shot is like a clone of Wade.

It's not some. It's one. The same guy who claims he has below average handles and athleticism.

I said he has a below average handle for a starting NBA point guard and he's not a great athlete. If you are going to mock, get it right.

[Mrcrockpots]

I'm not saying Fultz will be Wade (he's not as athletic), but the comparisons are legit in one major way. Finishing at the rim. Fultz has that same skill that Wade has in terms of using his handle to get into the paint and having the length/explosion and body control to create and finish at the rim. Fultz is going to make a TON of plays just by getting fed the ball on the perimeter. Not only can he shoot 40% from 3, but he is going to be elite at getting to the paint via pump fake and spin moves.

If Simmons doesn't get Embiid the ball in the pick and roll, then Fultz will just by the shear pressure he'll put on rotating defenses with his shooting and elite moves on offense. It's legit scary how many points Embiid could possibly get in our offense with Simmons being the primary creator and then having an elite secondary guy that can create but also do all the things you need from an elite 2 guard (high efficiency catch and shoot %s, weakside defense, create on all 3 levels, run in transition, finish in transition, run off screens, interrupt passing lanes with his length).

This season needs to freaking start already.

[Misteclipse]

Great article on Fultz providing analysis from different scouts... Looks like he should be fine...

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2725182-nba-scouts-bullish-on-markelle-fultzs-rookie-year-impact-hes-ready-day-1

Scout #2 is a hack.

And you're a crybaby. Who cares?

Don't do this. Disagree with the post without taking personal shots. - BullyKing

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[Ericb5]

If he puts up those numbers, we're in the playoffs.

We'll get to the playoffs whether Fultz gets those numbers or not. A healthy Embiid will drag this team to the playoffs, and if he isn't healthy they wont go, period.

Fultz won't get anywhere near 18 Points per game. He won't get the minutes. Bradley Beal, who is a comparable talent, who started on a young team, scored 13 a game. CJ McCollum didn't score over 18 ppg until he was a 24 year old NBA veteran. I'd expect Fultz to score 13 per game.

So if Embiid gets injured mid season and Fultz + Simmons put up some big numbers (like the numbers mentioned above), there's zero chance they go? It's either Embiid carries them or nothing? Seems a little hyperbolic.

Embiid is the only player that can get us to the playoffs. Simmons and Fultz are going to be great rookies, but healthy Embiid is an all NBA player.


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[Unbreakable99]

Scout 2 said he reminds him of DWade

A lot of NBA experts have said that...

Have to say I knew nothing of Fultz... never followed him as I didn't see any Washington games as I thought we had zero chance at the #1 pick... but even I only had to watch 5 minutes of highlights to immediately say he reminded me of Dwayne Wade and that was before hearing any NBA expert say the same thing.

So it surprises me more to see some people say he doesn't remind them of Wade. Not saying he will be as a good a player but the way he moves, shoots, attacks the basket and creates his own shot is like a clone of Wade.

I don't think Fultz and Wade play similar games. Wade is a better athlete and get to his spots better than Fultz can. Wade has never been a guy to shoot 3s. His game is about 20ft on in. Fultz has more range than Wade. Fultz should be a better 3 point shooter and take many more 3s than Wade ever took. Wade also lived at the foul line. Will Fultz? I'm not so sure. He's still an average NBA athlete. In Summer League Fultz didn't get close to the rim attacking. He had to settle for floaters and 5-8 foot shots unlike when Wade can get to the rim much better. Wade and Fultz are nothing alike in terms of the way they play. The only thing Fultz does that Wade does is make acrobatic shots. Fultz has shown the ability to take and make some tough shots. But will it translate to the NBA where players are longer and faster? We'll see.

[Negrodamus]

We'll get to the playoffs whether Fultz gets those numbers or not. A healthy Embiid will drag this team to the playoffs, and if he isn't healthy they wont go, period.

Fultz won't get anywhere near 18 Points per game. He won't get the minutes. Bradley Beal, who is a comparable talent, who started on a young team, scored 13 a game. CJ McCollum didn't score over 18 ppg until he was a 24 year old NBA veteran. I'd expect Fultz to score 13 per game.

So if Embiid gets injured mid season and Fultz + Simmons put up some big numbers (like the numbers mentioned above), there's zero chance they go? It's either Embiid carries them or nothing? Seems a little hyperbolic.

It may sound hyperbolic, but that's how I see it. Fultz isn't old enough or good enough to affect the 76ers playoff chances this year. Without Embiid, Simmons isn't enough, and I think Simmons will be great. But Simmons, Redick, Fultz, Covington and Holmes isn't a playoff team. Even in the East.

Hopefully we won't have to worry about this. I do think it would be troublesome if a team based around Fultz, Simmons, Covington, Reddick, Holmes, with Saric, McConnell, Stauskas, Amir Johnson coming off the bench couldn't make a serious run at making the playoffs. That's 2 number one picks surrounded by veterans and a pretty decent bench in an absolutely horrible East.

Fultz and/Simmons would probably have to bust hard for that to happen.

[mattd13]

I think with the style of play they will use he should score. he must be committed to run a lot then he can benefit from a running team. with his length he should be able to finish well. off coarse it all depends on embiid staying on the court. I see ben starting a lot of breaks with jj and fultz getting the benefit.

[LloydFree]

So if Embiid gets injured mid season and Fultz + Simmons put up some big numbers (like the numbers mentioned above), there's zero chance they go? It's either Embiid carries them or nothing? Seems a little hyperbolic.

It may sound hyperbolic, but that's how I see it. Fultz isn't old enough or good enough to affect the 76ers playoff chances this year. Without Embiid, Simmons isn't enough, and I think Simmons will be great. But Simmons, Redick, Fultz, Covington and Holmes isn't a playoff team. Even in the East.

Hopefully we won't have to worry about this. I do think it would be troublesome if a team based around Fultz, Simmons, Covington, Reddick, Holmes, with Saric, McConnell, Stauskas, Amir Johnson coming off the bench couldn't make a serious run at making the playoffs. That's 2 number one picks surrounded by veterans and a pretty decent bench in an absolutely horrible East.

Fultz and/Simmons would probably have to bust hard for that to happen.

I don't think they have to bust hard at all to miss the playoffs. They're both Rookies. The Wizards with a veteran John Wall and rookie Bradley Beal were one of the worst teams in the NBA. The Simmons and Fultz duo would be near that combo. The rest of the team... you have to have way more confidence in their ability than they deserve, to call that a playoff roster. Covington and Redick are legitimate NBA starters. The rest of them are average NBA bench players that many other teams have. The thing that makes this team a playoff contender is Embiid. It was proven last year with his on/off numbers. You're giving too much credit to the rest of the roster.

Take Embiid off the team, we're no better than the 2012/13 Wizards, who went 29-53. Wall, Beal, Ariza vs Simmons, Fultz, Covington

[Chris76]

It may sound hyperbolic, but that's how I see it. Fultz isn't old enough or good enough to affect the 76ers playoff chances this year. Without Embiid, Simmons isn't enough, and I think Simmons will be great. But Simmons, Redick, Fultz, Covington and Holmes isn't a playoff team. Even in the East.

Hopefully we won't have to worry about this. I do think it would be troublesome if a team based around Fultz, Simmons, Covington, Reddick, Holmes, with Saric, McConnell, Stauskas, Amir Johnson coming off the bench couldn't make a serious run at making the playoffs. That's 2 number one picks surrounded by veterans and a pretty decent bench in an absolutely horrible East.

Fultz and/Simmons would probably have to bust hard for that to happen.

I don't think they have to bust hard at all to miss the playoffs. They're both Rookies. The Wizards with a veteran John Wall and rookie Bradley Beal we're one of the worst teams in the NBA. The Simmons and Fultz would be near that combo. The rest of the team... you have to have way more confidence in their ability than they deserve, to call that a playoff roster. Covington and Redick are legitimate NBA starters. The rest of them are the average NBA bench players that many other teams have. The thing that makes this team a playoff contender is Embiid. It was proven last year with his on/off numbers. You're giving too much credit to the rest of the roster.

Take Embiid off the team, we're no better than the 2012/13 Wizards, who went 29-53. Wall, Beal, Ariza vs Simmons, Fultz, Covington

Fultz
Redick
Covington
Simmons
Okafor

This team wins more than 29 games, last year we won 28 games. Anyway, add Embiid and your talking playoffs.

[Negrodamus]

It may sound hyperbolic, but that's how I see it. Fultz isn't old enough or good enough to affect the 76ers playoff chances this year. Without Embiid, Simmons isn't enough, and I think Simmons will be great. But Simmons, Redick, Fultz, Covington and Holmes isn't a playoff team. Even in the East.

Hopefully we won't have to worry about this. I do think it would be troublesome if a team based around Fultz, Simmons, Covington, Reddick, Holmes, with Saric, McConnell, Stauskas, Amir Johnson coming off the bench couldn't make a serious run at making the playoffs. That's 2 number one picks surrounded by veterans and a pretty decent bench in an absolutely horrible East.

Fultz and/Simmons would probably have to bust hard for that to happen.

I don't think they have to bust hard at all to miss the playoffs. They're both Rookies. The Wizards with a veteran John Wall and rookie Bradley Beal were one of the worst teams in the NBA. The Simmons and Fultz duo would be near that combo. The rest of the team... you have to have way more confidence in their ability than they deserve, to call that a playoff roster. Covington and Redick are legitimate NBA starters. The rest of them are average NBA bench players that many other teams have. The thing that makes this team a playoff contender is Embiid. It was proven last year with his on/off numbers. You're giving too much credit to the rest of the roster.

Take Embiid off the team, we're no better than the 2012/13 Wizards, who went 29-53. Wall, Beal, Ariza vs Simmons, Fultz, Covington

I don't think I have more confidence than they deserve. I think you're overrating the EC playoffs.

[Negrodamus]

Hopefully we won't have to worry about this. I do think it would be troublesome if a team based around Fultz, Simmons, Covington, Reddick, Holmes, with Saric, McConnell, Stauskas, Amir Johnson coming off the bench couldn't make a serious run at making the playoffs. That's 2 number one picks surrounded by veterans and a pretty decent bench in an absolutely horrible East.

Fultz and/Simmons would probably have to bust hard for that to happen.

I don't think they have to bust hard at all to miss the playoffs. They're both Rookies. The Wizards with a veteran John Wall and rookie Bradley Beal we're one of the worst teams in the NBA. The Simmons and Fultz would be near that combo. The rest of the team... you have to have way more confidence in their ability than they deserve, to call that a playoff roster. Covington and Redick are legitimate NBA starters. The rest of them are the average NBA bench players that many other teams have. The thing that makes this team a playoff contender is Embiid. It was proven last year with his on/off numbers. You're giving too much credit to the rest of the roster.

Take Embiid off the team, we're no better than the 2012/13 Wizards, who went 29-53. Wall, Beal, Ariza vs Simmons, Fultz, Covington

Fultz
Redick
Covington
Simmons
Okafor

This team wins more than 29 games, last year we won 28 games. Anyway, add Embiid and your talking playoffs.

I think Lloyd and I can both agree that Okafor would not be the one worthy of that final starting spot. That's for sure.

[Mik317]

the hatred some seem to have for Fultz is amazing. **** are secretly hoping for one of their own players to bust all so they can go I told you so...sad.

[Mrcrockpots]

That's how I feel as well. I just hope the majority of Sixers fans let these guys go through their growing pains. A bad year from Fultz doesn't mean he's a bust. Although I'm sure some on this board will be falling over chairs to tell you they were right.

[Chris76]

I don't think they have to bust hard at all to miss the playoffs. They're both Rookies. The Wizards with a veteran John Wall and rookie Bradley Beal we're one of the worst teams in the NBA. The Simmons and Fultz would be near that combo. The rest of the team... you have to have way more confidence in their ability than they deserve, to call that a playoff roster. Covington and Redick are legitimate NBA starters. The rest of them are the average NBA bench players that many other teams have. The thing that makes this team a playoff contender is Embiid. It was proven last year with his on/off numbers. You're giving too much credit to the rest of the roster.

Take Embiid off the team, we're no better than the 2012/13 Wizards, who went 29-53. Wall, Beal, Ariza vs Simmons, Fultz, Covington

Fultz
Redick
Covington
Simmons
Okafor

This team wins more than 29 games, last year we won 28 games. Anyway, add Embiid and your talking playoffs.

I think Lloyd and I can both agree that Okafor would not be the one worthy of that final starting spot. That's for sure.

Simmons is a great rebounder and passer, he would set Okafor up for layups. Okafor would average 20 pts or more finishing Simmons' assists. Okafor is a very good scoring big. Holmes is a very good player, but he is not a starting center. Anyway, Okafor with the starters is still a very good team, maybe 40 wins.

Fultz............Sergio
Redick..........Stauskus
Covington......Covington
Simmons........Saric
Okafor...........Holmes

The guard upgrade gets you 10 to 15 more wins than last year.

[LloydFree]

Hopefully we won't have to worry about this. I do think it would be troublesome if a team based around Fultz, Simmons, Covington, Reddick, Holmes, with Saric, McConnell, Stauskas, Amir Johnson coming off the bench couldn't make a serious run at making the playoffs. That's 2 number one picks surrounded by veterans and a pretty decent bench in an absolutely horrible East.

Fultz and/Simmons would probably have to bust hard for that to happen.

I don't think they have to bust hard at all to miss the playoffs. They're both Rookies. The Wizards with a veteran John Wall and rookie Bradley Beal were one of the worst teams in the NBA. The Simmons and Fultz duo would be near that combo. The rest of the team... you have to have way more confidence in their ability than they deserve, to call that a playoff roster. Covington and Redick are legitimate NBA starters. The rest of them are average NBA bench players that many other teams have. The thing that makes this team a playoff contender is Embiid. It was proven last year with his on/off numbers. You're giving too much credit to the rest of the roster.

Take Embiid off the team, we're no better than the 2012/13 Wizards, who went 29-53. Wall, Beal, Ariza vs Simmons, Fultz, Covington

I don't think I have more confidence than they deserve. I think you're overrating the EC playoffs.

Could be. I think there are 7 teams in the East that would be significantly better than an Embiid-less 76er team. But looking over Detoit's bleh, unbalanced, roster and the Knicks with no current NBA level PG, maybe they could figure out a way to win enough to get the 8th seed.