Fantasy Trade Thread: 2020 Offseason

[the_process]

Don’t think the package would need to be as heavy but just thought I’d post this here

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"As heavy"?

The trade would have to be centered around Tobias Harris or it would have to be a collection of Green, Curry, Scott, and someone else for us to do it. Raptors aren't getting Maxey, Shake, or Ben for an old point guard on his final year. Probably wouldn't get picks either.

Raptors wouldn’t want Tobias anyways. It would probably be along the lines of Danny, Maxey/Milton/Thybulle, and a 1st.

To think a pick wouldn’t be involved is selling Lowry short. Lowry is still playing like an all star and fits your team like a glove and there aren’t many other realistic floor generals that could be traded for this season. And the package Bucks had to pay for Holiday kind of set the precedent of value for a guy of that level. Raptors probably get just 1 first rounder in a Lowry instead of the 3 that it took for Holiday just cause of Lowrys age. Otherwise the style of Kyles game should let him still be playing at a high level for 2-3 more years

No it absolutely did not. Holiday’s value was and is not as high as what he got traded for. That deal was a massive outlier because the Bucks had to do something to get Giannis to resign and the Pels had all the leverage.

[Bruin]

"As heavy"?

The trade would have to be centered around Tobias Harris or it would have to be a collection of Green, Curry, Scott, and someone else for us to do it. Raptors aren't getting Maxey, Shake, or Ben for an old point guard on his final year. Probably wouldn't get picks either.

Raptors wouldn’t want Tobias anyways. It would probably be along the lines of Danny, Maxey/Milton/Thybulle, and a 1st.

To think a pick wouldn’t be involved is selling Lowry short. Lowry is still playing like an all star and fits your team like a glove and there aren’t many other realistic floor generals that could be traded for this season. And the package Bucks had to pay for Holiday kind of set the precedent of value for a guy of that level. Raptors probably get just 1 first rounder in a Lowry instead of the 3 that it took for Holiday just cause of Lowrys age. Otherwise the style of Kyles game should let him still be playing at a high level for 2-3 more years

No it absolutely did not. Holiday’s value was and is not as high as what he got traded for. That deal was a massive outlier because the Bucks had to do something to get Giannis to resign and the Pels had all the leverage.

If you think otherwise alright but the packages getting put together for players are all overpays right now and you’d expect that for anything else to come too. Hell, even Covington took two 1st rounders lol

[youngcrev]

I'd be all over a Green/Thybulle/1st/expiring junk for Lowry deal.

Add a high level starter and clear out the end of the bench fodder to add some vets. There's a handful of free agents I wouldn't mind adding, and there could be more post deadline.

Then hopefully you can sign him for a short, reasonably priced deal that slowly gets phased out while Maxey learns the position.

[the_process]

Raptors wouldn’t want Tobias anyways. It would probably be along the lines of Danny, Maxey/Milton/Thybulle, and a 1st.

To think a pick wouldn’t be involved is selling Lowry short. Lowry is still playing like an all star and fits your team like a glove and there aren’t many other realistic floor generals that could be traded for this season. And the package Bucks had to pay for Holiday kind of set the precedent of value for a guy of that level. Raptors probably get just 1 first rounder in a Lowry instead of the 3 that it took for Holiday just cause of Lowrys age. Otherwise the style of Kyles game should let him still be playing at a high level for 2-3 more years

No it absolutely did not. Holiday’s value was and is not as high as what he got traded for. That deal was a massive outlier because the Bucks had to do something to get Giannis to resign and the Pels had all the leverage.

If you think otherwise alright but the packages getting put together for players are all overpays right now and you’d expect that for anything else to come too. Hell, even Covington took two 1st rounders lol

Portland was desperate to try and improve their defense and win before Dame gets tired of being a play-in team. And it’s hard to see him being alright with that until the end of his career no matter what he has said in the media.

The Nets are desperate to try and win right now while they have Durant and Kyrie under contract, so they were willing to send the farm for Harden, who essentially makes their offense unstoppable if all 3 can find a way to share the ball effectively.

[Bruin]

No it absolutely did not. Holiday’s value was and is not as high as what he got traded for. That deal was a massive outlier because the Bucks had to do something to get Giannis to resign and the Pels had all the leverage.

If you think otherwise alright but the packages getting put together for players are all overpays right now and you’d expect that for anything else to come too. Hell, even Covington took two 1st rounders lol

Portland was desperate to try and improve their defense and win before Dame gets tired of being a play-in team. And it’s hard to see him being alright with that until the end of his career no matter what he has said in the media.

The Nets are desperate to try and win right now while they have Durant and Kyrie under contract, so they were willing to send the farm for Harden, who essentially makes their offense unstoppable if all 3 can find a way to share the ball effectively.

With the injury history and continuous physical problems with Embiid I wouldn’t say the Sixers have all the time in the world either. There’s quite a big hole in having a traditional floor general that can defend, shoot, and make guys around him better. Moving Simmons to the 4 season to have him serve as more of a secondary playmaker while having a real primary point guard could make a world of difference for you guys. Not like your 1st would be that high of a pick anyways. And Danny is practically no value to negative value considering his contract

[Negrodamus]

Don’t think the package would need to be as heavy but just thought I’d post this here

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"As heavy"?

The trade would have to be centered around Tobias Harris or it would have to be a collection of Green, Curry, Scott, and someone else for us to do it. Raptors aren't getting Maxey, Shake, or Ben for an old point guard on his final year. Probably wouldn't get picks either.

Raptors wouldn’t want Tobias anyways. It would probably be along the lines of Danny, Maxey/Milton/Thybulle, and a 1st. No need for Curry or Scott or whatever. Danny plus one of those youngsters fit in the trade checker

To think a pick wouldn’t be involved is selling Lowry short. Lowry is still playing like an all star and fits your team like a glove and there aren’t many other realistic floor generals that could be traded for this season. And the package Bucks had to pay for Holiday kind of set the precedent of value for a guy of that level. Raptors probably get just 1 first rounder in a Lowry instead of the 3 that it took for Holiday just cause of Lowrys age. Otherwise the style of Kyles game should let him still be playing at a high level for 2-3 more years

Jrue Holiday: 30 years old, 2 years left on deal
Kyle Lowry: 34 years old, 1 year left on deal

It's not really the same thing. Also the Sixers aren't really desperate for Lowry. If we could get him for Danny, Curry, Scott and Thybulle, I'd consider it. Otherwise, I don't think the Sixers want to touch a rental

[Bruin]

"As heavy"?

The trade would have to be centered around Tobias Harris or it would have to be a collection of Green, Curry, Scott, and someone else for us to do it. Raptors aren't getting Maxey, Shake, or Ben for an old point guard on his final year. Probably wouldn't get picks either.

Raptors wouldn’t want Tobias anyways. It would probably be along the lines of Danny, Maxey/Milton/Thybulle, and a 1st. No need for Curry or Scott or whatever. Danny plus one of those youngsters fit in the trade checker

To think a pick wouldn’t be involved is selling Lowry short. Lowry is still playing like an all star and fits your team like a glove and there aren’t many other realistic floor generals that could be traded for this season. And the package Bucks had to pay for Holiday kind of set the precedent of value for a guy of that level. Raptors probably get just 1 first rounder in a Lowry instead of the 3 that it took for Holiday just cause of Lowrys age. Otherwise the style of Kyles game should let him still be playing at a high level for 2-3 more years

Jrue Holiday: 30 years old, 2 years left on deal
Kyle Lowry: 34 years old, 1 year left on deal

It's not really the same thing. Also the Sixers aren't really desperate for Lowry. If we could get him for Danny, Curry, Scott and Thybulle, I'd consider it. Otherwise, I don't think the Sixers want to touch a rental

That kind of a deal doesn’t really do anything for the Raptors so they probably wouldn’t consider anything that doesn’t include either a good young prospect or a 1st.

And Lowry wouldn’t be a rental for you considering he’s a Philly kid. He’d resign at a contract more fitting to his age and expectations in the Summer so technically would be helping you cut salary too

[Negrodamus]

Raptors wouldn’t want Tobias anyways. It would probably be along the lines of Danny, Maxey/Milton/Thybulle, and a 1st. No need for Curry or Scott or whatever. Danny plus one of those youngsters fit in the trade checker

To think a pick wouldn’t be involved is selling Lowry short. Lowry is still playing like an all star and fits your team like a glove and there aren’t many other realistic floor generals that could be traded for this season. And the package Bucks had to pay for Holiday kind of set the precedent of value for a guy of that level. Raptors probably get just 1 first rounder in a Lowry instead of the 3 that it took for Holiday just cause of Lowrys age. Otherwise the style of Kyles game should let him still be playing at a high level for 2-3 more years

Jrue Holiday: 30 years old, 2 years left on deal
Kyle Lowry: 34 years old, 1 year left on deal

It's not really the same thing. Also the Sixers aren't really desperate for Lowry. If we could get him for Danny, Curry, Scott and Thybulle, I'd consider it. Otherwise, I don't think the Sixers want to touch a rental

That kind of a deal doesn’t really do anything for the Raptors so they probably wouldn’t consider anything that doesn’t include either a good young prospect or a 1st.

And Lowry wouldn’t be a rental for you considering he’s a Philly kid. He’d resign at a contract more fitting to his age and expectations in the Summer so technically would be helping you cut salary too

Well, Thybulle is a good young prospect. Everything else you said is speculative. Lowry could hate the idea of finishing his career in Philly.

Additionally, we can just wait till the summer to sign him for cheap without burning assets.

[76ciology]

Nuggets:
Shake Milton
Tobias Harris
Sixers 2021 1st round pick

Nuggets 5:
Jamal Murray
Shake Milton
Will Barton
Tobias Harris
Nikola Jokic

^ A very well rounded starting 5 that fits well


Sixers:
MPJ
Fillers (Milsap, Gary Harris, Campazzo)

Sixers Starting 5:
Seth
Danny Green
MPJ
Ben Simmons
Joel Embiid
^
Got MPJ without involving Ben.
Got a perimeter go to guy to pair with Embiid.
In much better shape for cap flexibility

If you are Ok with this trade, click the “show” button.

Spoiler:

Scenario: Bucks had a 2nd round exit against the Sixers. Giannis asks for a trade.

Bucks:
MPJ
Ben Simmons
2022 pick swap
2023 1st round pick
2024 pick swap
2026 1st round pick

Sixers:
Giannis
^
Sixers created a “Daryl Morey Team” by pairing Giannis and Embiid. Maxey should be a great compliment playing with those two running the offense and Seth should also get a lot of open looks.

No team can match this offer in terms of value, with consideration that the team should still have enough talent after making the deal.

[Kobblehead]

Michael Porter Jr.....

He was an elite highschool player that overcame a myriad of injuries and found 20 ppg success pretty quickly in the NBA. Great story...but.....

Hot Take coming:

Spoiler:

He's just Kuzma with defense. Doofus personality, no creating abilities. He's not really a guy that can run the offense. Kinda overrated as a player, imo. I don't think he's capable of being a go-to perimeter guy. Just someone that can produce when you feed him a ton of assisted buckets (like post-injury Oladipo).

[76ciology]

Bulls:
Ben Simmons
Tobias Harris
^
https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1993914&start=1680
They seem to be open to give up Lavine, pick, young players for Ben.

Wizards:
Shake Milton
Satoransky (expires 2022)
8M expiring (ferguson and bradley)
8M Trade exemption
2021 Sixers 1st round pick
2022 Bulls 1st round pick
2023 Bulls 1st round pick (via Sixers pick swap)
^
Baby “Harden Trade Haul”.
Milton would fit well with RW.
Wiz also got a ton of cap relief.

Orlando Magic:
Seth Curry
Thaddeus Young
^Seth fits well with Fultz, Fournier Vuc and Isaac. Gives them much needed scoring.

Sixers:
Zach Lavine
Bradley Beal
Otto Porter
Aaron Gordon

Sixers 5:
Zach Lavine
Bradley Beal
Otto Porter
Aaron Gordon
Joel Embiid
^ defense, offense, you name it, we got it.


Then if Giannis asks for a trade..
Bradley Beal and Aaron Gordon for Giannis.

[youngcrev]

Yeah... Not a MPJ fan. He can shoot/score, but he's an awful defender and the injury risk weighs over his future potential.

Not doing that deal (even though its almost certainly considered a value win) unless you can flip that package plus more for Beal (or someone like that)

[mithrandir17]

If by trade deadline the raptors are way out of the playoff picture, I can see them looking to trade Lowry to get assets back instead of losing him for nothing.

Raptors get a young player and picks.

Mavs get defense for a 2nd round pick.

Sixers get their floor general and half court scorer.

[Kobblehead]

Two first rounders + Thybulle for a 35 year old expiring contract? HARRRRRRRD PASS.

[76ciology]

??

Im not going to give up a couple of first round pick for Lowry.

Lowry is 35 and does not solve any of our team needs. I’d rather let Maxey or Milton run the offense.

How many coupons at Tim Hortons did Masai pay you? I want a share of that

[Negrodamus]

I'd be a little more interested if Terence Davis didn't get arrested for assaulting his girlfriend.

[Bruin]

If by trade deadline the raptors are way out of the playoff picture, I can see them looking to trade Lowry to get assets back instead of losing him for nothing.

Raptors get a young player and picks.

Mavs get defense for a 2nd round pick.

Sixers get their floor general and half court scorer.

Raptors aren’t getting two 1st rounders and Terence Davis isn’t worth trading if the best young piece they get back is Thybulle.

Also that deal makes no sense for Dallas since they specifically wanted to get Johnson to add toughness to the team and Danny doesn’t replace that for them

[cool93]

I'd be ok with trading Green + Thybulle OR 1st. No way I'd give up both. He is 35 and expiring.

[stormi]

[76ciology]