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Re: 2021-2022 College Basketball / NBA Draft 

Post#941 » by Arsenal » Fri Jun 3, 2022 11:38 pm

mjkvol wrote:I'm going to throw one out there and let you guys kill me, but we definitely have a need for a backup PG - why not Kennedy Chandler? Kid is going to be a player somewhere, why not here for 15 minutes a game?

I know, he's a munchkin - there are issues with every player that could be drafted at 23. This fills what I consider a hole in the roster, and the upside is tantalizing.



1) Since he's a munchkin he can't play w/Maxey without our defense being destroyed

2) 60.6% FT% is atrocious and means he's a non-shooter.

No thanks. We need size, defense and shooting.
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Post#942 » by mjkvol » Sat Jun 4, 2022 1:14 pm

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mjkvol wrote:I'm going to throw one out there and let you guys kill me, but we definitely have a need for a backup PG - why not Kennedy Chandler? Kid is going to be a player somewhere, why not here for 15 minutes a game?

I know, he's a munchkin - there are issues with every player that could be drafted at 23. This fills what I consider a hole in the roster, and the upside is tantalizing.



1) Since he's a munchkin he can't play w/Maxey without our defense being destroyed

2) 60.6% FT% is atrocious and means he's a non-shooter.

No thanks. We need size, defense and shooting.


No argument with any of that, figured it would get shot down. My point is that at #23 the goal (if we keep the pick) given where this team is right now should be on filling holes on the bench, and backup PG is clearly one of them. Chandler is clearly too small to fit here, but he'll be a player somewhere.
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Re: 2021-2022 College Basketball / NBA Draft 

Post#943 » by Kobblehead » Sun Jun 5, 2022 1:38 pm

mjkvol wrote:I'm going to throw one out there and let you guys kill me, but we definitely have a need for a backup PG - why not Kennedy Chandler? Kid is going to be a player somewhere, why not here for 15 minutes a game?

I know, he's a munchkin - there are issues with every player that could be drafted at 23. This fills what I consider a hole in the roster, and the upside is tantalizing.


I think he's the best defensive G in this draft (Chris Paul level tiny defender), but he's going to need to have astronomic growth offensively before he's truly useful at the NBA level.

I think we need to use our pick on a young skilled guy as opposed to a young grinder.
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Post#944 » by mjkvol » Sun Jun 5, 2022 2:28 pm

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mjkvol wrote:I'm going to throw one out there and let you guys kill me, but we definitely have a need for a backup PG - why not Kennedy Chandler? Kid is going to be a player somewhere, why not here for 15 minutes a game?

I know, he's a munchkin - there are issues with every player that could be drafted at 23. This fills what I consider a hole in the roster, and the upside is tantalizing.


I think he's the best defensive G in this draft (Chris Paul level tiny defender), but he's going to need to have astronomic growth offensively before he's truly useful at the NBA level.

I think we need to use our pick on a young skilled guy as opposed to a young grinder.


Playing him with Maxey, as a backup PG would need to do, is pretty much impossible, so this is the unlikeliest of picks. If he lands in the right spot and improves his 3-ball he's going to be a player.
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Post#945 » by Kobblehead » Sun Jun 5, 2022 2:57 pm

Yeah, if he gets a three ball, he can be a Vanvleet, Lowry, Conley type player. Major two-way impact out of an unlikely stature. His free throw percentage really tanks his jumpshot projection for me, though. So if he EVER develops a jumper, it could be years and years away from happening.

If we're going to take a grinder to improve our defense, I would take Minott over Chandler. He's got the superior size, of course, and he also has a stronger jumpshot projection (75.4% free throw on the season, 79.1% in conference play). Put him in the G-League with Springer and cross your fingers that one or both of them work hard enough to develop offensively.
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Post#946 » by Negrodamus » Mon Jun 6, 2022 2:01 am



Keon Ellis might be surging on my board. Cooked UK. Went nuts at the end of the year: 16 ppg (57% 2FG, 46 3FG, 88% FT), 7 rpg, 2.4 spg in the last 7 games. He's a type of "role player senior" I'd take a chance on since he is a 2-way player who at least reaches a 10 AST% and shows some ability to draw fouls (.363 FTr) and create some offense. Not as much of a sure thing as Bane, but that type of intrigue from me.
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Post#947 » by Arsenal » Mon Jun 6, 2022 5:06 pm

Read on Twitter


Likely he'll be gone by our pick though...
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Post#948 » by Kobblehead » Mon Jun 6, 2022 10:24 pm

Donald Carey intrigues me.

He's obviously a trainwreck because he's played for three different schools, but he has some nice traits.

6'5" 187, great career shooting splits, decent passing, gen'd steals at an acceptable rate this year.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/donald-carey-1.html

Be a nice camp invite to bring in, post draft.
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Post#949 » by Negrodamus » Mon Jun 6, 2022 10:47 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Donald Carey intrigues me.

He's obviously a trainwreck because he's played for three different schools, but he has some nice traits.

6'5" 187, great career shooting splits, decent passing, gen'd steals at an acceptable rate this year.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/donald-carey-1.html

Be a nice camp invite to bring in, post draft.


https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/jeriah-horne-1.html

I've been checking out Jeriah Horne a bit for similar reasons. Shot is smooth but he's old enough to be some of these freshman's father.

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Post#950 » by Arsenal » Tue Jun 7, 2022 1:16 am

Should be a lot of these older guards available as UDFA. Need to bring in a couple good ones to compete.
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Post#951 » by stormi » Tue Jun 7, 2022 5:05 pm

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Post#952 » by Negrodamus » Tue Jun 7, 2022 5:13 pm

stormi wrote:https://www.si.com/nba/2022/06/06/nba-mock-draft-jabari-smith-chet-holmgren-paolo-banchero-jaden-ivey

This pick at #23 is becoming more recurring


Lol, if this happens then either Tari is blowing his interviews or there are a lot of really dumb teams.
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Post#953 » by stormi » Tue Jun 7, 2022 5:28 pm

Negrodamus wrote:
stormi wrote:https://www.si.com/nba/2022/06/06/nba-mock-draft-jabari-smith-chet-holmgren-paolo-banchero-jaden-ivey

This pick at #23 is becoming more recurring


Lol, if this happens then either Tari is blowing his interviews or there are a lot of really dumb teams.


80% from the line all year on nearly six trips per game is super dope. Love when players take a significant step in their foul shooting from freshman to sophomore year.
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Post#954 » by Arsenal » Tue Jun 7, 2022 5:52 pm

Negrodamus wrote:
stormi wrote:https://www.si.com/nba/2022/06/06/nba-mock-draft-jabari-smith-chet-holmgren-paolo-banchero-jaden-ivey

This pick at #23 is becoming more recurring


Lol, if this happens then either Tari is blowing his interviews or there are a lot of really dumb teams.


That's the rumor. Apparently interviews aren't going well so teams are questioning Eason's bball iq.

Think we have to take the chance in spite of that if he falls to us. His statistical + physical profile is just too strong.
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Post#955 » by Negrodamus » Tue Jun 7, 2022 6:14 pm

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Negrodamus wrote:
stormi wrote:https://www.si.com/nba/2022/06/06/nba-mock-draft-jabari-smith-chet-holmgren-paolo-banchero-jaden-ivey

This pick at #23 is becoming more recurring


Lol, if this happens then either Tari is blowing his interviews or there are a lot of really dumb teams.


That's the rumor. Apparently interviews aren't going well so teams are questioning Eason's bball iq.

Think we have to take the chance in spite of that if he falls to us. His statistical + physical profile is just too strong.


Wow, well I hope it shakes out like this. If he's able to produce this well with a poor IQ, imagine having NBA coaching in a role playing position will allow him to build on his IQ. I've listened to him talk, he seems intelligent enough. I'd be on board with us trading up to get him if he even slipped past 15.

I might have him, purely from skillset and production, in the top 8... possibly top 5.
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Post#956 » by Jailblazers7 » Tue Jun 7, 2022 7:05 pm

That’d be a massive steal if we could get Eason at 23. I’m not sure how basketball IQ can even be determined in an interview. I don’t think anyone would say LaMelo Ball is the smartest guy in the world but on the court he’s a genius. His defensive instincts alone indicate a solid understanding of the game.

Biggest red flag for me is that he’s super raw offensively and has a semi-busted jumper. But those seem fixable especially in a limited role.
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Post#957 » by Kobblehead » Tue Jun 7, 2022 9:23 pm

Tari Eason was offensively unplayable as a freshman at Cincinnati. So it has to say something about his work ethic that he was able to improve his skill level so drastically this year. That said, I'm still a little wary of trusting his skill level.

I will say, I have seen a few live LSU games this year and his teammates seem like they openly despise him. He gets froze out and waved off a lot. Also, he has really bad body language on the court. Also not crazy about him already being 21.

Of all the defensive grinders in this class, he and Minott seem closest to being able to contribute on offense. The rest (Daniels, Sochan, Chandler, Beauchamp) appear a ways away.
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Post#958 » by Negrodamus » Wed Jun 8, 2022 7:48 pm



I'm riding the Ryan Rollins rollercoaster, but he has to be a first rounder right? 80% FT, not yet 20, gets to the line, almost 6'10 wingspan, generates a ton of steals... He's the type of guy you select because of his star numbers but he'll end up a very good role player. I'd even keep him in the G League for the year and let him dominate while we figure out what we have with Jaden Springer.

He nearly hits every stat I'm looking for in a prospect. Eye test gives me a little concern, but the dude actually has good percentages on low assisted shots. Let him put on some muscle and groom him for a year or two down the road.
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Post#959 » by stormi » Wed Jun 8, 2022 8:12 pm

All of these prospects are so uninteresting.

Feeling nihilistic
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Post#960 » by Negrodamus » Wed Jun 8, 2022 8:16 pm

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Here's Rollins's shot chart as of March 22nd. I think being concerned about his three point shots is a bit shortsighted since he was constantly targeted and creating shots for himself. I also think he worn down big time as the season went on due to being the guy for Toledo. I could see him being great in an off ball capacity with some end of shot clock scoring being his calling card. He led an otherwise mediocre team to the NIT.

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