Simmons Trade Thread - The Ocho

[Sixersftw]

A previously rumored discussed deal of CJ, Covington, and a 1st round pick would be a sufficient return IMO. We'd need another wing defender in Cov and CJ gives us a legitimate dynamic 2nd option on offense.

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I think you're looking at Cov with nostalgic glasses on. He is beyond washed at this point and is a negative asset imo. This would be a bad deal imo.

Also, Maxey/seth + CJ backcourt would be hunted into extinction in the playoffs. CJ does not provide the scoring spark necessary to offset how miserable of a defender he is.

[Slacktard]

The Sixers have better assets to trade to Portland for Lillard WITHOUT SIMMONS involved than Portland has to trade to the Sixers for Simmons without Lillard involved.

Neither trade is a reality. Unless some third team wants to jump in and help facilitate it.

[the_process]

Blazers will have to add significant draft control along with CJ and Simons.

They will also have to make a separate deal with CHI to ether unprotect the pick they owe this year, or lessen the protections to top 4 and make it a one shot deal.

So assuming the CHI part is taken care of...

OKC gets CJ, Simons, Maxey, 2 best OKC/PHI/POR 1sts in 2024 and 2026, 1st round swap rights w/POR in 2025 and 2027, and an unprotected 2025 PHI 1st.
PHI gets worst of OKC/PHI/POR 1sts in 2024 and 2026 and SGA
POR gets Simmons and Thybulle

Follow that up by flipping Harris to WSH for Kuzma and Bertans.

[Wilfried]

Blazers will have to add significant draft control along with CJ and Simons.

They will also have to make a separate deal with CHI to ether unprotect the pick they owe this year, or lessen the protections to top 4 and make it a one shot deal.

So assuming the CHI part is taken care of...

OKC gets CJ, Simons, Maxey, 2 best OKC/PHI/POR 1sts in 2024 and 2026, 1st round swap rights w/POR in 2025 and 2027, and an unprotected 2025 PHI 1st.
PHI gets worst of OKC/PHI/POR 1sts in 2024 and 2026 and SGA
POR gets Simmons and Thybulle

Follow that up by flipping Harris to WSH for Kuzma and Bertans.

Why on earth would OKC trade SGA for that?

It would make Silver furious and actually it would be them telling they never want to become competitive

[rzzzzz]

The Sixers have better assets to trade to Portland for Lillard WITHOUT SIMMONS involved than Portland has to trade to the Sixers for Simmons without Lillard involved.

Neither trade is a reality. Unless some third team wants to jump in and help facilitate it.

Well, if we’re not constrained by reality, any thought of massaging Ben’s sensitive ego by trading the kitchen sink for Dame specifically to pair up with Simmons? (At least as far as Ben’s concerned.) I’m not sure of where Dame is with his injury, but can imagine him being the all star who helps finish the close games, while Ben and Biid provide the defense to keep us in them.

[the_process]

Blazers will have to add significant draft control along with CJ and Simons.

They will also have to make a separate deal with CHI to ether unprotect the pick they owe this year, or lessen the protections to top 4 and make it a one shot deal.

So assuming the CHI part is taken care of...

OKC gets CJ, Simons, Maxey, 2 best OKC/PHI/POR 1sts in 2024 and 2026, 1st round swap rights w/POR in 2025 and 2027, and an unprotected 2025 PHI 1st.
PHI gets worst of OKC/PHI/POR 1sts in 2024 and 2026 and SGA
POR gets Simmons and Thybulle

Follow that up by flipping Harris to WSH for Kuzma and Bertans.

Why on earth would OKC trade SGA for that?

It would make Silver furious and actually it would be them telling they never want to become competitive

Why wouldn't they? They've been rumored to be inquiring on moving Shai. That's a ton of assets. And it just means they don't want to be competitive this year, which is already obvious to everyone.

[Mik317]

Do we keep Seth Curry if we're getting McCollum? Would Doc even allow a trade of Curry?!?

Maxey + McCollum backcourt will still get exploited big time on defense.

we become Portland East Plus Biid Minus Dame.

[the_process]

CJ plus for Ben does not work.

Has to be a third team.

[Wilfried]

Blazers will have to add significant draft control along with CJ and Simons.

They will also have to make a separate deal with CHI to ether unprotect the pick they owe this year, or lessen the protections to top 4 and make it a one shot deal.

So assuming the CHI part is taken care of...

OKC gets CJ, Simons, Maxey, 2 best OKC/PHI/POR 1sts in 2024 and 2026, 1st round swap rights w/POR in 2025 and 2027, and an unprotected 2025 PHI 1st.
PHI gets worst of OKC/PHI/POR 1sts in 2024 and 2026 and SGA
POR gets Simmons and Thybulle

Follow that up by flipping Harris to WSH for Kuzma and Bertans.

Why on earth would OKC trade SGA for that?

It would make Silver furious and actually it would be them telling they never want to become competitive

Why wouldn't they? They've been rumored to be inquiring on moving Shai. That's a ton of assets. And it just means they don't want to be competitive this year, which is already obvious to everyone.

But they already have all the picks in the world, but SGA is a legit good NBA player
A pick is nothing atm and also can become Anthony Benett

So they prefer 10 birds in the sky

[Murray_17]

Blazers will have to add significant draft control along with CJ and Simons.

They will also have to make a separate deal with CHI to ether unprotect the pick they owe this year, or lessen the protections to top 4 and make it a one shot deal.

So assuming the CHI part is taken care of...

OKC gets CJ, Simons, Maxey, 2 best OKC/PHI/POR 1sts in 2024 and 2026, 1st round swap rights w/POR in 2025 and 2027, and an unprotected 2025 PHI 1st.
PHI gets worst of OKC/PHI/POR 1sts in 2024 and 2026 and SGA
POR gets Simmons and Thybulle

Lol.

Why would the sixers AND portland send that level of compensation to OKC for SGA? that's more than what the Rockets got for Harden and on par with the AD deal. This is a Nets/Celtics level trade and makes Presti looks like the best GM on history.

Follow that up by flipping Harris to WSH for Kuzma and Bertans.

You want to get rid of one untradable contract to get 2?

[the_process]

Does everyone not realize Portland is over a barrel now?

[Murray_17]

Portland is over a barrel but that trade is high robbery by Presti.

[HotelVitale]

Do we keep Seth Curry if we're getting McCollum? Would Doc even allow a trade of Curry?!?
Maxey + McCollum backcourt will still get exploited big time on defense.

we become Portland East Plus Biid Minus Dame.

I think we could be better than that because of our defense, but yeah that’s the reason why Morey hasn’t wanted to do those type of moves (and not just him not wanting to lose a trade or whatever simple stuff ppl keep lifting up). Getting a pretty good secondary ball handler who makes a bunch of money is only a step forward if we’re not taking steps back on defense and are just adding to what we have. Losing Simmons hurts the D a lot but it Maxey/McCollum/Curry is a textbook tiny backcourt that will get hammered in the PO. You’d still maybe have Thybulle and Green but that means having offense only or defense only guys playing at any given time. Not ideal.

[the_process]

Portland is over a barrel but that trade is high robbery by Presti.

Simmons don't come cheap. I wouldn't move Simmons for CJ unless it came with Simons, 2 swaps, and 2 picks; AND I can then take that package and move it elsewhere for something good. That's what that is. POR also gets Thybulle to make them feel a little better about it. Pac12 guy and all.

If it's robbery for OKC, then they shouldn't hesitate to pull the trigger.

[Murray_17]

Portland is over a barrel but that trade is high robbery by Presti.

Simmons don't come cheap. I wouldn't move Simmons for CJ unless it came with Simons, 2 swaps, and 2 picks; AND I can then take that package and move it elsewhere for something good. That's what that is. POR also gets Thybulle to make them feel a little better about it. Pac12 guy and all.

If it's robbery for OKC, then they shouldn't hesitate to pull the trigger.

I don't think you understand.

Why would Morey or the new Portland GM, gift Presti with that package? is just nuts. It's bad for us, i would take that trade if i was OKC in a heartbeat.

The fact you say you would not move CJ for Simmons unless all of that is included only to then move all of that AND Maxey to OKC when we could do with it, is super hilarious to me.

I was unaware of SGA being a being a superstar to grant you that level of return

[the_process]

Portland is over a barrel but that trade is high robbery by Presti.

Simmons don't come cheap. I wouldn't move Simmons for CJ unless it came with Simons, 2 swaps, and 2 picks; AND I can then take that package and move it elsewhere for something good. That's what that is. POR also gets Thybulle to make them feel a little better about it. Pac12 guy and all.

If it's robbery for OKC, then they shouldn't hesitate to pull the trigger.

I don't think you understand.

Why would Morey or the new Portland GM, gift Presti with that package? is just nuts. It's bad for us, i would take that trade if i was OKC in a heartbeat.

The fact you say you would not move CJ for Simmons unless all of that is included only to then move all of that AND Maxey to OKC when we could do with it, is super hilarious to me.

I was unaware of SGA being a being a superstar to grant you that level of return

Yep. May not be a superstar yet but Shai certainly has that upside and is better than almost anything else you could get for Ben.

Don't overcomplicate it. It's basically Ben, Maxey, Thybulle, and removing protection from an already owed 1st for Shai.

[Murray_17]

Yep. May not be a superstar yet but Shai certainly has that upside and is better than almost anything else you could get for Ben.

Don't overcomplicate it. It's basically Ben, Maxey, Thybulle, and removing protection from an already owed 1st for Shai.

Maxey is playing better than Shai this year AND is younger....

Sending him AND Ben AND compensation to OKC for Shai is ubber bad, and on top of that you gave them CJ because reasons.

[Mik317]

i don't really care at this stage lol.

just do something so we can move on to the next thing to be mad about already.

CJ's willingness to shoot would make him the best of our tiny small guards. Simons is an upside shot and would allow us to explore other avenues with our other guards. Not a sexy or exciting move but one that could pay off if the picks spread is nice. Worth the wait if they truly pile on more than they would have prior I guess.

SGA is a pipe dream IMO. Unless he wants out, not sure why the Thunder do it...and not for Ben (it would be a 3 team trade but then you'd wonder why said third team wouldn't just cut us out and take SGA for themselves, no?).

But yeah kinda just want to be able to move onto the next adventure at this stage. BUT again thats why I am not the GM and everyone is lucky i am not.

[the_process]

Yep. May not be a superstar yet but Shai certainly has that upside and is better than almost anything else you could get for Ben.

Don't overcomplicate it. It's basically Ben, Maxey, Thybulle, and removing protection from an already owed 1st for Shai.

Maxey is playing better than Shai this year AND is younger....

Sending him AND Ben AND compensation to OKC for Shai is ubber bad, and on top of that you gave them CJ because reasons.

Maxey is not better than Shai. And it's not close.

[Hipster Doofus]

This news today kind of screams three or four team trade is available for the taking.

Could the third team be the New York Knicks? Could the fourth be one of the Timberwolves/OKC/Pistons/Kings/Pelicans?

There's been numerous stories that Dame wants to play with the Knicks. There's also been numerous stories that Morey wants a star player. Can anything be done here? What's a scenario that lands us a star player but not Dame? Or is it Dame or nothing at this point?