SixerFan1976 Offseason Thread (Update Pg 73)

[phiphan]

Honestly. Spending fast is a result of fans demanding it.

Take our EB signing.

We all hate it now, but if we hadn't spent all that cap room on him or j smith most fans would be calling for someone's head in the organization saying there cheap.

If we free up $$, I'd bet mine that it gets spent in some way, it's just the nature of the business.

The people in charge now didn't sign Brand. New ownership/GM/coach.

Where did he make a connection between Brand and new ownership? His point was that fans demand that cap space be used. And if you look at what SF1976 has said, there's no indication that the current organization has a mentality of delayed gratification.

[The Sixer Fixer]

Lou Williams ‏@TeamLou23
Quick note. Opting out doesn't necessarily mean you're leaving. It's getting out of one contract to begin a new one.

Hopefully it does mean you are leaving. Man, if they re-sign him for anything over 5 mil/yr I'm going to be so pissed.

[jdimaggio555]

For everyone that wants to trade up in the draft. Thats for a team that is rebuilding. If i was the Sixers, i would trade the pick for a proven player. The 15th pick is not something that will probably contribute this year or next.

While I think your assessment of Turner is dead on, I do not agree with this statement. You sound like no rookie makes an impact in their first year. Last year the Spurs traded George Hill for the 15th pick and turned that into Kawhi Leonard. SA went on to be tied for the best record in the NBA and Leonard played a big part in it.

In most drafts maybe it is true that there are very few impact players. However, this years draft is very deep. Davis maybe the only legit franchise changer, but there are probably at least 20 guys in this draft that have the potential to be a starter on a championship caliber team, which is a lot more than most years. The sixers are going to get a good player at 15 and that player probably will have a higher upside than whoever they could trade the pick for.

[Sixerlover]

For everyone that wants to trade up in the draft. Thats for a team that is rebuilding. If i was the Sixers, i would trade the pick for a proven player. The 15th pick is not something that will probably contribute this year or next.

Well i kind of like the idea of trading Iggy to get into the upper draft and get an impact player...

Then using Brand/15/anything else to bring in a player that helps us win... which is why i really like the idea of a

Jrue/Gordon(overpay)/Turner/Allen/Drummond kinda line up. Youth, but competitive potential.

That team wouldn't be competitive at all next season unless some guys greatly outplay their potential. Your not getting anywhere starting a 3rd year guy, 2nd year guy and a rookie in your front court.

[Ming]

Just saw this in wiretap by new Blazers GM Neil Olshey

"I think everyone has to look at the draft as a player acquisition vehicle and the more assets you can acquire in this league, the more flexibility you have to build the roster and accelerate the growth to become more successful quicker. We were on one path with the Los Angeles Clippers a year ago, building through the draft, building with youth and when an opportunity came in to go after a franchise-level player, we had the assets to do it. So that's really what the draft is about. It's not about filling needs."

Exactly why Iguodala should be traded for draft picks instead of lateral move Gasol/Jefferson.

[JordanMars]

Why not add to the puzzle like Indiana is doing??? The EAST is weak as hell and if we add a few more impact players (via Brand Amnesty) You have enough money to get two players a 9 million each and resign Lou if you want.

[Ming]

Why not add to the puzzle like Indiana is doing??? The EAST is weak as hell and if we add a few more impact players (via Brand Amnesty) You have enough money to get two players a 9 million each and resign Lou if you want.

Because the goal is to win championships. And to do that we have to find our franchise player first.

Who are those $9mil players? Mediocre players like Humphries? What does it achieve? A few more wins? So we go from 41 wins to 45 wins? And stayed in salary cap hell with two $9mil mediocre players for a few years? Sorry no thanks.

[moefro44]

Why not add to the puzzle like Indiana is doing??? The EAST is weak as hell and if we add a few more impact players (via Brand Amnesty) You have enough money to get two players a 9 million each and resign Lou if you want.

Are you content with getting a 3 or 4 seed every season and losing in the second round of the playoffs? Cause I sure as hell am not

[JordanMars]

What do you mean lose in the 2nd round?? We barely lost to Boston, D Rose will be out and injured next season. The East is a big ????. Why take 5 years to rebuild, when you dont know what will come out of rebuilding. Seems like a waste of time to me.

[The Sixer Fixer]

What do you mean lose in the 2nd round?? We barely lost to Boston, D Rose will be out and injured next season. The East is a big ????. Why take 5 years to rebuild, when you dont know what will come out of rebuilding. Seems like a waste of time to me.

Doesn't matter if we are the 2nd best team in the East next year....we will still be WAY behind the #1 team so we aren't winning anything with this group plus a coupe more average players. We have no ability to compete with Miami in a 7 game series. THAT is the reason you need to look long term and not just about how to get a little better next year.

[Ming]

I hope the front office is not as delusional with this "playoff run". It means nothing.

You know what is waste of time? This 10 years of mediocrity stucked in the middle is a **** waste of time!

[sixerfan1976]

i can tell you they are not delusional about this playoff run. If anything, the playoff run exploited their weaknesses along the way.

[Mike Louch]

What do you mean lose in the 2nd round?? We barely lost to Boston, D Rose will be out and injured next season. The East is a big ????. Why take 5 years to rebuild, when you dont know what will come out of rebuilding. Seems like a waste of time to me.

So you're content with mediocrity...nice. This Sixers team loses to the Bulls in 5 games if Rose and Noah don't go down so the playoff run (although they played Boston tough) was fools gold as already stated earlier. This team needs a STAR, either through the draft or use young draft pieces to trade for one a la LA Clippers (Paul, Butler, etc).

Two OK players at 9 mil a year doesn't get you past the tougher teams like Miami in the playoffs. Thats why alot of teams rebuild instead of restocking.

[moefro44]

What do you mean lose in the 2nd round?? We barely lost to Boston, D Rose will be out and injured next season. The East is a big ????. Why take 5 years to rebuild, when you dont know what will come out of rebuilding. Seems like a waste of time to me.

As long as Miami is around then we are not making the finals with the team we have. Adding role players via free agency won't get us over that hump.

[SJSF]

For everyone that wants to trade up in the draft. Thats for a team that is rebuilding. If i was the Sixers, i would trade the pick for a proven player. The 15th pick is not something that will probably contribute this year or next.

While I think your assessment of Turner is dead on, I do not agree with this statement. You sound like no rookie makes an impact in their first year. Last year the Spurs traded George Hill for the 15th pick and turned that into Kawhi Leonard. SA went on to be tied for the best record in the NBA and Leonard played a big part in it.

In most drafts maybe it is true that there are very few impact players. However, this years draft is very deep. Davis maybe the only legit franchise changer, but there are probably at least 20 guys in this draft that have the potential to be a starter on a championship caliber team, which is a lot more than most years. The sixers are going to get a good player at 15 and that player probably will have a higher upside than whoever they could trade the pick for.

dangerous words. Potential and Upside. It means gamble. Why not trade the pick for a solid player that can contribute right now.

[SJSF]

i can tell you they are not delusional about this playoff run. If anything, the playoff run exploited their weaknesses along the way.

lets hope

[51X3RF4N]

you don't think a linuep like the following can beat Miami and go to the Finals?


Deron Williams
SG
Iggy
PF
Dwight Howard

If the Sixers have a chance to bring those 3 together, then you have one of the best perimeter defenders in the league playing alongside a dominant Center (2nd most important position on the floor) and an elite PG (most important position on the floor). All you need is role playing SG's that can hit open 3pt shots, and a PF that can stretch the D by hitting some mid-range jumpers. sounds like Meeks and Lavoy if you ask me.

Add in Thad, S. Young, free agent PG for cheap to come off the bench (vet leadership), Vucevic, and a 2nd round pick for depth. I think we can agree the Celts are done in terms of being a competition. Indy and Miami are probably the biggest threats.

Bosh or Hibbert vs Dwight? I'll take Dwight.
Granger or Lebron vs Iggy? Iggy loses, but not by much in defense.
Collison or Wade vs Deron? Push.

Point is, we'd have a much better chance to win it all. And let's not forget the superstar power that always seems to help teams win games. Plus it will draw better vets to come play for a CHIP.

You'd rather wait 5 years while a rebuild happens just to have a chance that in some distant future the Sixers will have a better team?? They have the assets now, and the cap space now. Make the moves to bring in 2 legit super stars and have your own "Big 3".

[Cru Thik]

We are not getting Williams and Howard. It's a pipe dream never neva eva gonna happen.

[Sixerlover]

Yeah, that's not happening. Would love if it did, and obviously so would the owners / GM. But it's not happening.

[KrazySixersD]

omg i think im more looking forward to this offseason so that we can STOP with this howard and deron williams crap... more than im even interested in who we CAN get