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The Ben Simmons Megathread

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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#961 » by dkj5061 » Tue Oct 31, 2017 3:34 pm

CoreyGallagher wrote:This is cool because it’s not even specific to rookies. First player to average these numbers in seven games since Scottie Pippen.

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Westbrook will be added to that list after his next game, but that is still ridiculously impressive. It's pretty crazy that Ben Simmons is already in the Westbrook/Lebron/Giannis tier of crazy stat lines each night.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#962 » by Ericb5 » Tue Oct 31, 2017 3:56 pm

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CoreyGallagher wrote:This is cool because it’s not even specific to rookies. First player to average these numbers in seven games since Scottie Pippen.

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Westbrook will be added to that list after his next game, but that is still ridiculously impressive. It's pretty crazy that Ben Simmons is already in the Westbrook/Lebron/Giannis tier of crazy stat lines each night.


It's stunning actually.

If he keeps this up for the next few months he is going to be the talk of the league.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#963 » by cksdayoff » Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:06 pm

once ben masters the skill of drawing contact at the rim, he’s gonna be such a force. he’s slowly getting there
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#964 » by BNelley24 » Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:23 pm

I wonder if teams will start hack-a-simmons @ end of games if he continues to struggle from the line.

Watching Ben's FT form and even his jumper form it looks like he has his shooting hand on the side of the ball almost diagonally. Needs to straighten it out & ben his knees
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#965 » by kuclas » Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:24 pm

I’m afraid some teams will employ hack a Simmons are various points in the game just to break the sixers rhythm if they get on a run during any stage of the game.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#966 » by CoreyGallagher » Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:29 pm

kuclas wrote:I’m afraid some teams will employ hack a Simmons are various points in the game just to break the sixers rhythm if they get on a run during any stage of the game.

A team already tried to, I can't remember in which game, but Simmons made like 3 of 4 so they stopped (I know it stopped quickly). Can somebody remember the game? Analysts commented on it.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#967 » by Sixerscan » Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:32 pm

kuclas wrote:I’m afraid some teams will employ hack a Simmons are various points in the game just to break the sixers rhythm if they get on a run during any stage of the game.

At least that means we'll finally get some foul calls.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#968 » by CoreyGallagher » Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:36 pm

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Post#969 » by Lou_23 » Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:38 pm

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kuclas wrote:I’m afraid some teams will employ hack a Simmons are various points in the game just to break the sixers rhythm if they get on a run during any stage of the game.

A team already tried to, I can't remember in which game, but Simmons made like 3 of 4 so they stopped (I know it stopped quickly). Can somebody remember the game? Analysts commented on it.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#970 » by cksdayoff » Tue Oct 31, 2017 5:31 pm

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kuclas wrote:I’m afraid some teams will employ hack a Simmons are various points in the game just to break the sixers rhythm if they get on a run during any stage of the game.

A team already tried to, I can't remember in which game, but Simmons made like 3 of 4 so they stopped (I know it stopped quickly). Can somebody remember the game? Analysts commented on it.


i dont remember which game but i specifically remember us mentioning it in the game thread.

im not worried about hack-a-simmons. i believe in ben and his confidence in pressure situations. let him get a free ride to the ft line, if anything it gives him free reps to shoot 15 footers
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#971 » by BoomBap » Tue Oct 31, 2017 6:38 pm

hands down, he is my favorite player right now.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#972 » by HotelVitale » Tue Oct 31, 2017 6:48 pm

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kuclas wrote:I’m afraid some teams will employ hack a Simmons are various points in the game just to break the sixers rhythm if they get on a run during any stage of the game.
A team already tried to, I can't remember in which game, but Simmons made like 3 of 4 so they stopped (I know it stopped quickly). Can somebody remember the game? Analysts commented on it.

Don't think he's weak enough as a shooter for that to work. Shooting 60% from the stripe is still 1.2 points per possession, which is higher than the default.

One thing we have to be careful about is what happened last night: towards the end of the game when a team needs to foul, BB can't let Simmons be the one handling the ball a lot then. No reason to have him be fouled instead of Embiid, Bayless, etc who shoot in the 80% from the stripe.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#973 » by Ericb5 » Tue Oct 31, 2017 6:49 pm

kuclas wrote:I’m afraid some teams will employ hack a Simmons are various points in the game just to break the sixers rhythm if they get on a run during any stage of the game.


Those Hack a Shaq plans only work if the free throw shooter is under 50%. I think that that is the break even point statistically.

If he is shooting over 60% then it is definitely not a viable strategy.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#974 » by Leronziia » Tue Oct 31, 2017 7:41 pm

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That's cool, but that just shows how messed up the modern NBA is. Mid range jump shots are hardly a part of the game anymore, and it is sad.

Yet another reason why I want the 3 point line moved back. I want dribble pull ups back in the nba.


It also reinforces what we already knew.. Ben's whole Game is refreshingly old School. Most modern Players will hoist threes even when they are not that good yet(Lonzo for example.. He should really not take over 5 Threes a Game unless he starts making them at a respectable rate but he is stubborn at keeps taking them.. and he is just an example.

And to your Point about moving the 3pt Line back.. yeah i thought about that the last years here and there. It's obvious the Players are getting better and better at Shooting.. Its early but if the Season ended today we'd have over 40 guys shooting 45% or better from Three.. If at any Point is sustainable the Line has to be moved back.. The NBA at some point will want to stop that every Shot is a Three... Threes where exciting for a while but when for example even great athletes on a Fast break will never Dunk anymore only to take a three Fans will be pissed.. they want their Show.

Maybe guys like Ben and Giannis who both propably will be faces of the NBA for the next 10 + years can refocus the Game


Yeah, just move the line back 6 inches on the sides, and a foot or two at the top of the curve, and it will have a meaningful impact on the difficulty of the shot. The best shooters will still shoot it at a high percentage, but the average shooters wouldn't, and it will change the strategy.

To me, you don't want power forwards and centers standing around at the 3 point line waiting to shoot the 3. If they do that they will have to be really good shooters, and there will be a larger cost imposed on them from a rebounding standpoint because they would be farther away from the rim.

If teams are shooting more 3's than foul shots then we have a problem, and it is NOT good for the sport.


It'd never happen, but I dream of the 3 point line being scrapped.

**** throwing up endless shots like Houston, horrible spectacle.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#975 » by crazy_me_87 » Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:53 pm

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kuclas wrote:I’m afraid some teams will employ hack a Simmons are various points in the game just to break the sixers rhythm if they get on a run during any stage of the game.


Those Hack a Shaq plans only work if the free throw shooter is under 50%. I think that that is the break even point statistically.

If he is shooting over 60% then it is definitely not a viable strategy.


Thats the thing. Ben wont keep shooting 56% likely.. he will propably stabilize somewhere between 60 and 65% this season.. wich makes hacking him a dangerous stratedgy. Ben is not even close to Drummond,DJ,Shaq bad from the FT Line.. You have a high risk he at least makes one and if he lets say gets to 65% the chance of hitting both at some point is also not that low.

Again.. as with his Jumper in general.. it is not broken and i think its only a matter of time and practice and experience until he gets to around 70% or even slightly above that.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#976 » by LongLiveHinkie » Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:24 pm

Ben is already this good and I have no doubt in my mind he will get that 15 footer down consistently at some point. He has the work ethic and his touch isn't terrible. With that jumper consistent every game he will be close to unstoppable.

And if he can ever extend out to 3 point land.... we're talking top 3 player in the NBA and insta-HOFer.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#977 » by 76ciology » Wed Nov 1, 2017 10:05 am

Have u guys imagined how big Ben Simmons would have been if he was drafted by Lakers in 2016? With Magic Johnson active..
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#978 » by CoreyGallagher » Wed Nov 1, 2017 11:56 am

Biggest improvement from a few games ago to now is that he seems to just dunk everything lol.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#979 » by Simmons25 » Wed Nov 1, 2017 12:01 pm

cksdayoff wrote:
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kuclas wrote:I’m afraid some teams will employ hack a Simmons are various points in the game just to break the sixers rhythm if they get on a run during any stage of the game.

A team already tried to, I can't remember in which game, but Simmons made like 3 of 4 so they stopped (I know it stopped quickly). Can somebody remember the game? Analysts commented on it.


i dont remember which game but i specifically remember us mentioning it in the game thread.

im not worried about hack-a-simmons. i believe in ben and his confidence in pressure situations. let him get a free ride to the ft line, if anything it gives him free reps to shoot 15 footers


There are going to be days when "Hack a Simmons" works and then there are going to be days like he showed in College where he went to the line and shot at a decent % at very high volume. They say if you deliberately foul someone you need them to miss both for it to be a worthwhile tactic. If they make 1 of the 2 then that's better than you would score in normal possession down the floor every time.

He definitely ain't Shaq that's for sure. Shaq would never be capable of having 15-20 free throw shooting nights like Simmons had.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#980 » by ivysixer2000 » Wed Nov 1, 2017 12:06 pm

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CoreyGallagher wrote:A team already tried to, I can't remember in which game, but Simmons made like 3 of 4 so they stopped (I know it stopped quickly). Can somebody remember the game? Analysts commented on it.


i dont remember which game but i specifically remember us mentioning it in the game thread.

im not worried about hack-a-simmons. i believe in ben and his confidence in pressure situations. let him get a free ride to the ft line, if anything it gives him free reps to shoot 15 footers


There are going to be days when "Hack a Simmons" works and then there are going to be days like he showed in College where he went to the line and shot at a decent % at very high volume. They say if you deliberately foul someone you need them to miss both for it to be a worthwhile tactic. If they make 1 of the 2 then that's better than you would score in normal possession down the floor every time.

He definitely ain't Shaq that's for sure. Shaq would never be capable of having 15-20 free throw shooting nights like Simmons had.


Once Simmons finds his groove at the line (for a given game) he will be fine, so they shouldn't put him there too much.

As I've said before though, someone tell him to bend his knees.

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