Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season

[VDT]

I think you have to be open minded to the idea of trading Embiid in the right deal. He put up numbers and had a productive series, but you can't deny he's playing with cement shoes at 26 and has fallen off a cliff defensively.

If it comes down to moving on from one of Embiid or Simmons, there are several factors to consider:

Joel is better than Simmons today, but I see Ben aging significantly better and Joel netting a stronger return.

Its a guards league and tough era for Embiid to win in. Modern day championship recipes call for several multi-faceted perimeter scorers with a competent complimentary center (someone like Horford). Stopping the ball every trip up the floor for Joel post-ups is too easy to scheme against and discourages a well rounded offensive attack (like we just saw from Boston).

We're one injury and/or one disgruntled trade request away from Joel's value taking a hit. I'm not saying we need to expedite a deal this summer, but we should at least do our due diligence to identify potential trade partners and prepare for the possibility.

Guys like Booker, Beal, Lillard, Trae, Shai, Morant, Klay, Holiday/Ingram would be strong realistic targets for an Embiid trade.

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You cant get Booker because the Suns just invested their #1 pick in a center.

Beal is arguable i guess, however i dont see the point for the Wizards and i doubt Embiid would want to stay there.

I dount Portland trades Lillard plus they already have a good center.

I dont think they trade Trae, what would be the point?

Maybe Shai, but again OKC is trying to rebuild, Embiid is already 26 and with questionable longevity.

They wouldnt trade Morant plus they already have a young big.

I wouldnt want Klay due to his injury and contract and i doubt the Warriors would want to break the duo.

You could have Jrue but i doubt they will give you Ingram as they are rebuilding and they already have Zion playing in the paint.

Your realistic targets, if their teams fail, are Westbrook, George and Kemba as far as star players are concerned. Even then it would require a change of philosophy from Houston and Boston. I dont see any of them really helping us.

[Mik317]

yep.

This idea that a star trade lands us anything but picks and prospects is just dumb at this point.

People talking about guys like Booker or Lillard has their heads in the clouds lol.

Any team looking to trade for Embiid are looking to contend. And any team looking to trade for Ben is looking to contend and or/ take their rebuilds to the next level. This idea of like for like is not realistic IMO (not impossible because all it takes is one GM).

The oft rumored Wiggins, Stuff and 2nd Pick deal is realistic. Its not what anyone wants but IMO its the most tangible trade atm. Wiggins contract matches, The pick is probably the actual "prize" (not to keep probably) and the stuff is "sweeteners" (I'd assume Pascal is the "prospect" in this scenario). That is the outline of any potential trade.

The Knicks is another potential target. I am sure they are mad butthurt over falling in the draft and could use RJ and/or MitchRob as a kickstart to rushing things in typical Knicks fashion. Leon Rose is Embiid's former agent. Keep an eye out for that.

Simmons injury history also means we are ripe for a fleecing in that regard.

You have to take the whole context into play here

[Kobblehead]

I'm not even fielding calls for Embiid unless he goes nuclear and publicly demands a trade.

And someone would have to call me on a Simmons trade. I like the player, hate the contract. Perfectly content in eating the bad money because he's a winning piece, though.

I would hang onto Embiid/Simmons/Thybulle and see if I can leverage some of our shooting wings for a defender. And try to swap Josh Richardson for someone that can score off the dribble.

Dinwiddie has no place in Brooklyn once Durant/Irving are back. He seems like an obvious and realistic trade target for Richardson.

[Kobblehead]

I don't care what anyone says, we need to bring in Josh Jackson on the MLE (if possible) lol.

[Sportfan73]

I'm not even fielding calls for Embiid unless he goes nuclear and publicly demands a trade.

And someone would have to call me on a Simmons trade. I like the player, hate the contract. Perfectly content in eating the bad money because he's a winning piece, though.

I would hang onto Embiid/Simmons/Thybulle and see if I can leverage some of our shooting wings for a defender. And try to swap Josh Richardson for someone that can score off the dribble.

Dinwiddie has no place in Brooklyn once Durant/Irving are back. He seems like an obvious and realistic trade target for Richardson.

How about Scott, Smith, kork, and pelle(filler) for rose and Kennard. Obviously there’s picks going here too. Maybe 21 and 2 seconds? Or even 21, a future first, and a future second?

[Sam Hinkie]

I will never understand people who say I won't even listen to calls for X player. It's simple economics. Trading benefits both parties. At least they think it is benefiting them. Limiting your ability to make trades is incredibly stupid.

[Sam Hinkie]

I'm not even fielding calls for Embiid unless he goes nuclear and publicly demands a trade.

And someone would have to call me on a Simmons trade. I like the player, hate the contract. Perfectly content in eating the bad money because he's a winning piece, though.

I would hang onto Embiid/Simmons/Thybulle and see if I can leverage some of our shooting wings for a defender. And try to swap Josh Richardson for someone that can score off the dribble.

Dinwiddie has no place in Brooklyn once Durant/Irving are back. He seems like an obvious and realistic trade target for Richardson.

How about Scott, Smith, kork, and pelle(filler) for rose and Kennard. Obviously there’s picks going here too. Maybe 21 and 2 seconds? Or even 21, a future first, and a future second?

This is a good suggestion.

[Sportfan73]

If you could swing that with Detroit

Rose/Milton
Richardson/kennard
Tobi/tiise
Ben
Jojo/Al

Is a decent place to start

[Sam Hinkie]

That team needs more shooting. Think you need to bring Rose off the bench and trade Al/picks for Beverley/Zubac. Clippers would say no, sadly.

[davesilver]

IND out: Turner, Lamb
IND in: Harris

NOP out: Holiday
NOP in: Turner, Richardson, Zhaire, #21

PHI out: Harris, Richardson, Zhaire, #21
PHI in: Holiday, Lamb

Follow-up Horford + Korkmaz + #34 + #36 for Hield


Holiday(34)/Milton(14)
Hield(32)/Lamb(10)/Milton(6)
Lamb(20)/Thybulle(28)
Simmons(34)/Scott(14)
Embiid(30)/MLE(18)


Holiday/Milton/Micic
Hield/Burks/#58
Lamb/Thybulle/Shayok
Simmons/Scott/#49
Embiid/MLE/Pelle

I think this is on the right track. NOP - IND - PHI trade makes sense around these pieces. I think IND would want another asset attached to take the risk on Tobias’ contract. Feels like getting Lamb is too much for us here.

I think Lamb and Buddy would be redundant. I think Barnes is a realistic target for Al.

If we can get rid of Tobias, I’d actually like to keep Al as a backup for Joel. His contract deflates, and we only owe 14.5m that final year.

Regardless, Jrue is my #1 target this offseason, while holding onto Matisse Ben and Joel. Assuming 2-3 more years of great play from Jrue, that lineup could be special.

We could add the NYK 2021 2nd to Indy? Probably a pick in the 30s again.

Instead of the Buddy trade we can Horford + Zhaire (Korkmaz to NOP instead) + #34 + #36 for Gordon and Covington.


Holiday(33)/Milton(15)
Lamb(20)/Gordon(28)
Covington(16)/Thybulle(28)/Lamb(4)
Simmons(34)/Covington(14)
Embiid(30)/MLE(18)


Holiday/Milton/Micic
Gordon/Lamb/#58
Covington/Thybulle/Shayok
Simmons/Scott/#49
Embiid/MLE/Pelle

Damn I love this lineup. Gordon’s contract is brutal, but his decline would be easier for us than AL’s decline, and I’d say the same for Houston with Al. If the rockets get embarrassed by a big in the playoffs, I think it could happen.

Holiday - cov - Simmons - embiid would be an insane defense. Holiday and lamb give enough shot creation here to work. I don’t know if we could swing cov without giving Matisse in return.

[Mik317]

Sacramento Bee proposed

Sacramento gets: Tobias Harris

Philadelphia gets: Hield, Jabari Parker

https://www.sacbee.com/sports/nba/sacramento-kings/article245095950.html

Get a shooter and Cheaper Fat Mormon Tobias

[youngcrev]

Sacramento Bee proposed

Sacramento gets: Tobias Harris

Philadelphia gets: Hield, Jabari Parker

https://www.sacbee.com/sports/nba/sacramento-kings/article245095950.html

Get a shooter and Cheaper Fat Mormon Tobias

Deal

[ProcessDoctor]

Easy yes. We might even be able to take on Bjelica, as there were reports SAC is thinking of declining his option.

Trade 1: Harris + Korkmaz for Hield + Bjelica

Trade 2: Horford + Richardson for CP3


Paul(32)/Milton(16)
Hield(32)/Thybulle(12)/Milton(4)
Thybulle(18)/Simmons(14)/#21(16)
Simmons(20)/Bjelica(28)
Embiid(30)/MLE(18)


Paul/Milton/Micic
Hield/Smith/#34
Thybulle/#21/#36
Simmons/Bjelica/Scott
Embiid/MLE/Pelle

Edit: switched 2nd round picks and Micic/Korkmaz

[davesilver]

Easy yes. We might even be able to take on Bjelica, as there were reports SAC is thinking of declining his option.

Trade 1: Harris + Micic + #49 for Hield + Bjelica

Trade 2: Horford + Richardson for CP3


Paul(32)/Milton(16)
Hield(32)/Korkmaz(12)/Milton(4)
Thybulle(28)/Simmons(14)/Korkmaz(6)
Simmons(20)/Bjelica(28)
Embiid(30)/MLE(18)


Paul/Milton/#34
Hield/Korkmaz/Smith
Thybulle/#21/#36
Simmons/Bjelica/Scott
Embiid/MLE/Pelle

I have a hard time believing the Kings would take on an ISO heavy guy with subpar defense that will be getting paid 40m in 4 years for two valuable assets.

Also don’t know why one of the best GMs in the league would take on one of the worst assets in Al while giving up a top 3 PG ever who despite his age had an incredible season.

If we want these pieces without giving up Ben or Embiid, you’ll need to depart with multiple first rounders and/or Matisse/shake. Don’t see a way around it

[youngcrev]

The Kings are at least an interesting potential landing spot for Tobias. I mean, he's still massively overpaid, but they're in a market that they need to overpay to get talent to sign. Just this summer they handed Buddy an incentive laden 4 year/94M deal, Barnes a 4 year/85M deal, and gave contracts to Dedmon and Joseph that added up to 26M annually.

I think he's a reasonably good fit there from a skill set and age perspective, they've got their own bad money that they can include, and I presume there is pressure for some immediate dividends given the team's in the midst of one of the longest playoff droughts in league history.

[Arsenal]

Sacramento Bee proposed

Sacramento gets: Tobias Harris

Philadelphia gets: Hield, Jabari Parker

https://www.sacbee.com/sports/nba/sacramento-kings/article245095950.html

Get a shooter and Cheaper Fat Mormon Tobias

Deal

No take backs!!!

[davesilver]

The Kings are at least an interesting potential landing spot for Tobias. I mean, he's still massively overpaid, but they're in a market that they need to overpay to get talent to sign. Just this summer they handed Buddy an incentive laden 4 year/94M deal, Barnes a 4 year/85M deal, and gave contracts to Dedmon and Joseph that added up to 26M annually.

I think he's a reasonably good fit there from a skill set and age perspective, they've got their own bad money that they can include, and I presume there is pressure for some immediate dividends given the team's in the midst of one of the longest playoff droughts in league history.

Starting to warm up to the idea that the Kings would be a suitor. Let’s hope Vivek likes Tobi Hield and Bjelica would be a dream.

[VDT]

Let's hope Kings get a worse GM than Brand.

[ProcessDoctor]

Easy yes. We might even be able to take on Bjelica, as there were reports SAC is thinking of declining his option.

Trade 1: Harris + Micic + #49 for Hield + Bjelica

Trade 2: Horford + Richardson for CP3


Paul(32)/Milton(16)
Hield(32)/Korkmaz(12)/Milton(4)
Thybulle(28)/Simmons(14)/Korkmaz(6)
Simmons(20)/Bjelica(28)
Embiid(30)/MLE(18)


Paul/Milton/#34
Hield/Korkmaz/Smith
Thybulle/#21/#36
Simmons/Bjelica/Scott
Embiid/MLE/Pelle

I have a hard time believing the Kings would take on an ISO heavy guy with subpar defense that will be getting paid 40m in 4 years for two valuable assets.

Also don’t know why one of the best GMs in the league would take on one of the worst assets in Al while giving up a top 3 PG ever who despite his age had an incredible season.

If we want these pieces without giving up Ben or Embiid, you’ll need to depart with multiple first rounders and/or Matisse/shake. Don’t see a way around it

Hield is seen as a neutral asset by many because of his contract. Bjelica is someone they will probably let go, so he’s just a contract filler at this point. I do agree we’d have to add some compensation to get a deal done. Another thing going in our favor is the fact that they were interested in signing him last summer.

CP3’s value is odd. He has 0 market. Horford has 2 years left at a lower cost than him. Richardson is probably equivalent to a late 1st, which is what I think OKC would want in return for him. They could always flip Horford for smaller/shorter contracts if they wanted to.

[youngcrev]

Let's hope Kings get a worse GM than Brand.

Or Elton himself