Tobias Harris Trade Thread

[agiaco]

In all seriousness though, how much would you be willing to attach to Tobias to swap him with CJ? Like a first and a young player?

maybe add shake or springer and call it a day

[Sportfan73]

In all seriousness though, how much would you be willing to attach to Tobias to swap him with CJ? Like a first and a young player?

maybe add shake or springer and call it a day

And if that doesn’t get it done you would pass?

[agiaco]

In all seriousness though, how much would you be willing to attach to Tobias to swap him with CJ? Like a first and a young player?

maybe add shake or springer and call it a day

And if that doesn’t get it done you would pass?

Not necessarily but I don't know if I would add a first round pick and not sure a second moves the needle enough. Think CJ returns to form quickly this year?

[Sportfan73]

maybe add shake or springer and call it a day

And if that doesn’t get it done you would pass?

Not necessarily but I don't know if I would add a first round pick and not sure a second moves the needle enough. Think CJ returns to form quickly this year?

I think so yeah and I think he would be decently appealing in a sign and trade for harden for BK as well. This would be following up Ben for like Collins+++

[Foshan]

I wouldn't add much to get a CJ deal done. I really think we would have equally annoying problems with CJ like we do with Tobi. but instead it would be like: look he doesn't pass, he takes bad shots, and doesn't play D.

I just don't pay much for that.

Also, the CJ idea only seemed worth a go if Simmons was at the PF spot. We are abysmal at the PF after that move, and I'm not a huge Simmons for Collins fan... so ug.

[76ciology]

He just can’t get those garbage transition points to pad his stats this season with the team opting to really slow down the pace.

Our best transition player this season is Seth Curry and he scores around 3ppg off transition.

Then you have Maxey eating a chunk of his PnR possessions, which is something I dont mind.

Tobi’s just not that good enough and he’s a bad fit to the team’s direction right now.

[mjkvol]

In all seriousness though, how much would you be willing to attach to Tobias to swap him with CJ? Like a first and a young player?

Shake, maybe. I think it should be 1 for 1, but I can see why Portland would want more. I don't want to use valuable chips for CJ, much as I'd love to be rid of Harris.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Y'all are crazy piling it on Harris the way some of you do. He's not the answer, but he's far from the problem .

[the_process]

In all seriousness though, how much would you be willing to attach to Tobias to swap him with CJ? Like a first and a young player?

Shake. A 2nd if forced. No more.

As mentioned above, CJ isn't very appealing without Ben.

[ProcessDoctor]

Don’t worry all. Harrison Barnes en route. You will be mad at him too, but at a cheaper price.

[brannigan73]

Harris is untradeable right now. Makes too much money and too many years left on his contract and on top of it is playing some of his worst basketball in years for an extended period of time. He is shooting like 29% from three lol. He is a mediocre rebounder and defender. I mean he got eaten alive by Kyle Kuzma. Kyle Kuzma has no right getting 15 rebounds in a basketball game. Part of the reason why he was able to is he way more atheletic then Harris just like 90% of small forwards/power forwards are. He is one of the main reasons the Sixers are one of the least athletic teams in the league and one of the worst rebounding teams in the league. He medicore rebouding was masked by how strong a rebounder Simmons was. Im sure his raw rebounding totals look ok but he plays a ton of minutes.

[SixersSince82]

Y'all are crazy piling it on Harris the way some of you do. He's not the answer, but he's far from the problem .

I think he is far and away THE problem. Blew 3 first round picks on him. (Shamet, former first round selection and 2 firsts) Overpaid by almost 20 mil. Doesn't play make, doesn't get to the cup or draw fouls, doesn't shoot enough from distance to be a real floor spacer, doesn't give you any intangibles or bring it defensively. Has ZERO chemistry with Joel.

Dont get me wrong, it's not Tobias' "fault" that the 6ers stupid FO blew ALL their assets on him or gave him that contract. But not being "his fault" doesn't change the fact that his specific skill set (and lack thereof) is a giant problem for a team trying to win a title built around Joel.

[HotelVitale]

Harris is untradeable right now. Makes too much money and too many years left on his contract and on top of it is playing some of his worst basketball in years for an extended period of time. He is shooting like 29% from three lol. He is a mediocre rebounder and defender. I mean he got eaten alive by Kyle Kuzma. Kyle Kuzma has no right getting 15 rebounds in a basketball game. Part of the reason why he was able to is he way more atheletic then Harris just like 90% of small forwards/power forwards are. He is one of the main reasons the Sixers are one of the least athletic teams in the league and one of the worst rebounding teams in the league. He medicore rebouding was masked by how strong a rebounder Simmons was. Im sure his raw rebounding totals look ok but he plays a ton of minutes.

1) this is a classic realgm ‘I’m tired of this guy so anyone would be better!’ Making rebounding a fatal flaw for a person who’s always averaging 8 boards per 36 should tip you to that—he’s not good at it but it’s not this horrid thing that’s killing us. Harris is an unfortunate contract and isn’t a consistent answer, but he’s not awful at everything to worth scapegoating
2) McCollum is also all of those things with a few words changed around. He makes a little less but is still in the hook for like $35m the next couple seasons, and his flaws are even more obvious. If you don’t like Tobias’ rebounding, wait until you check out everything about CJ beyond when he’s got shooting/creating going. I can see trading for him if we want to feel up the PF spot for someone else but there aren’t many stars or solutions in this league, and there’s no point getting mad at Harris for not being one (or pretending that he can somehow get us one).

[HotelVitale]

Y'all are crazy piling it on Harris the way some of you do. He's not the answer, but he's far from the problem .

I think he is far and away THE problem. Blew 3 first round picks on him. (Shamet, former first round selection and 2 firsts) Overpaid by almost 20 mil. Doesn't play make, doesn't get to the cup or draw fouls, doesn't shoot enough from distance to be a real floor spacer, doesn't give you any intangibles or bring it defensively. Has ZERO chemistry with Joel.

Dont get me wrong, it's not Tobias' "fault" that the 6ers stupid FO blew ALL their assets on him or gave him that contract. But not being "his fault" doesn't change the fact that his specific skill set (and lack thereof) is a giant problem for a team trying to win a title built around Joel.

Grow up guys, it was a mistake a few years ago within a bunch of other blessings and curses that have made our fate what it is. I hired horrible contractors to fix my house a few times, it sucked and I lost that transaction. I don’t hate my house though, and it’s not why my house has the value it does; you’re gonna lose moves sometimes, don’t be the guy who still gets red faced and annoying whenever anyone brings up everything that could’ve gone better.

In this case, the Sixers gave up two late 1sts for him, plus shamet who sucks. It would’ve been totally reasonable even for Harris haters to trade one of those picks and Shamet to rent Tobias for the PO run, so we maybe overpaid by a late 1st. Cool. We then got gifted that late 1st back for Fultz—but I guess the point is to only take it up the butt when we lose a trade a little bit and lose sleep for years over it, and not see the flip side of the things we won.

We also overpaid for his contract since we had his Bird rights, it’s not like we had some other path to getting him or had some way of getting him cheap and also adding someone better. We also made a much bigger mistake by signing Horford that year, but again I guess folks take some masochistic pleasure in tearing down the castle and screaming at one player. Tobias isn’t an answer on the court and he’s not a good trade chip, but dumping him makes us worse in court and doesn’t offer us any path to being great.

[spikeslovechild]

Y'all are crazy piling it on Harris the way some of you do. He's not the answer, but he's far from the problem .

I think he is far and away THE problem. Blew 3 first round picks on him. (Shamet, former first round selection and 2 firsts) Overpaid by almost 20 mil. Doesn't play make, doesn't get to the cup or draw fouls, doesn't shoot enough from distance to be a real floor spacer, doesn't give you any intangibles or bring it defensively. Has ZERO chemistry with Joel.

Dont get me wrong, it's not Tobias' "fault" that the 6ers stupid FO blew ALL their assets on him or gave him that contract. But not being "his fault" doesn't change the fact that his specific skill set (and lack thereof) is a giant problem for a team trying to win a title built around Joel.

Grow up guys, it was a mistake a few years ago within a bunch of other blessings and curses that have made our fate what it is. I hired horrible contractors to fix my house a few times, it sucked and I lost that transaction. I don’t hate my house though, and it’s not why my house has the value it does; you’re gonna lose moves sometimes, don’t be the guy who still gets red faced and annoying whenever anyone brings up everything that could’ve gone better.

In this case, the Sixers gave up two late 1sts for him, plus shamet who sucks. It would’ve been totally reasonable even for Harris haters to trade one of those picks and Shamet to rent Tobias for the PO run, so we maybe overpaid by a late 1st. Cool. We then got gifted that late 1st back for Fultz—but I guess the point is to only take it up the butt when we lose a trade a little bit and lose sleep for years over it, and not see the flip side of the things we won.

We also overpaid for his contract since we had his Bird rights, it’s not like we had some other path to getting him or had some way of getting him cheap and also adding someone better. We also made a much bigger mistake by signing Horford that year, but again I guess folks take some masochistic pleasure in tearing down the castle and screaming at one player. Tobias isn’t an answer on the court and he’s not a good trade chip, but dumping him makes us worse in court and doesn’t offer us any path to being great.

I've been saying this all year. People are pretending like he's Eddy Curry or Steve Francis or something he is not the problem and giving him away does nothing but save our owner money.

I don't really get it TBH. I mean I guess there are two ways to approach things we can either blame Harris or we can get Embiid a legit 2nd banana and take the pressure off Harris to be that guy when he clearly isn't.

[SixersSince82]

Y'all are crazy piling it on Harris the way some of you do. He's not the answer, but he's far from the problem .

I think he is far and away THE problem. Blew 3 first round picks on him. (Shamet, former first round selection and 2 firsts) Overpaid by almost 20 mil. Doesn't play make, doesn't get to the cup or draw fouls, doesn't shoot enough from distance to be a real floor spacer, doesn't give you any intangibles or bring it defensively. Has ZERO chemistry with Joel.

Dont get me wrong, it's not Tobias' "fault" that the 6ers stupid FO blew ALL their assets on him or gave him that contract. But not being "his fault" doesn't change the fact that his specific skill set (and lack thereof) is a giant problem for a team trying to win a title built around Joel.

Grow up guys, it was a mistake a few years ago within a bunch of other blessings and curses that have made our fate what it is. I hired horrible contractors to fix my house a few times, it sucked and I lost that transaction. I don’t hate my house though, and it’s not why my house has the value it does; you’re gonna lose moves sometimes, don’t be the guy who still gets red faced and annoying whenever anyone brings up everything that could’ve gone better.

In this case, the Sixers gave up two late 1sts for him, plus shamet who sucks. It would’ve been totally reasonable even for Harris haters to trade one of those picks and Shamet to rent Tobias for the PO run, so we maybe overpaid by a late 1st. Cool. We then got gifted that late 1st back for Fultz—but I guess the point is to only take it up the butt when we lose a trade a little bit and lose sleep for years over it, and not see the flip side of the things we won.

We also overpaid for his contract since we had his Bird rights, it’s not like we had some other path to getting him or had some way of getting him cheap and also adding someone better. We also made a much bigger mistake by signing Horford that year, but again I guess folks take some masochistic pleasure in tearing down the castle and screaming at one player. Tobias isn’t an answer on the court and he’s not a good trade chip, but dumping him makes us worse in court and doesn’t offer us any path to being great.

Shamet sucks? Come on man. Dude's has been averaging 20+ minutes a night on CONTENDERS for his entire NBA career. He's a good role player for sure.

But anyway, All that was a just a long winded way of saying "we made a bad trade, get over it", lol.

Are the 6ers trying to compete for titles or just be the Joel Embiid version of the Iverson era 6ers? Because teams don't win championships having to rely this much on a player with his skill set, lack of skills really, and taking up that much of the cap makes it more difficult to acquire the type of player Joel Embiid needs. Further, if they were able to acquire a 1A type player next to pair Joel with, Tobias lack of any intangible skills and refusal to shoot from 3 with any volume would make him an even bigger miss-use of money. Acquire, James Harden or Dame or even Beal, someone like that, who's going to give you elite offense, and that nearly 40 million Tobias accounts for would be much better used toward a couple 3&D role players and/or a legit Backup point guard.

No matter how you run the math, if championships are the goal, Tobias is a negative part of the equation.

[Arsenal]

Trade / Re-signing of Tobias was the final nail in the coffin of THE PROCESS.

[mjkvol]

It's not a matter of "hating" him (a ridiculous, childish way of faulting criticism of anyone) or "getting over it". The idea is to build a championship contender around Embiid, which can not happen as long as a player like Harris is tying up close to $40 mil of the cap.

No, it isn't his fault for the idiotic contract he was offered, and yes, he's a solid citizen and teammate. And no, you can't win with a tweener who is a ball stopper and offers little spacing or defense on the roster with the team being built around a low post player like Embiid.

If they dumped his salary this season for little return it might not be helpful at the moment, but would be a huge help in the off season in building the team for the next 2-3 seasons.

[TeamHigh]

No, it isn't his fault for the idiotic contract he was offered, and yes, he's a solid citizen and teammate. And no, you can't win with that kind of player on the roster with the team being built around a low post player like Embiid.

I feel even this puts too much emphasis on the kind of player Embiid is. What kind of championship contender of any kind can fit in Tobi at $40m a year?

His game just does not translate to winning basketball. He never takes over games, doesn't play hard defense, not a plus rebounder or passer or shooter. His offers you post ups and turnaround jumpers and little else. He could be playing next to Steph Curry and that still isn't ideal.

[mjkvol]

No, it isn't his fault for the idiotic contract he was offered, and yes, he's a solid citizen and teammate. And no, you can't win with that kind of player on the roster with the team being built around a low post player like Embiid.

I feel even this puts too much emphasis on the kind of player Embiid is. What kind of championship contender of any kind can fit in Tobi at $40m a year?

His game just does not translate to winning basketball. He never takes over games, doesn't play hard defense, not a plus rebounder or passer or shooter. His offers you post ups and turnaround jumpers and little else. He could be playing next to Steph Curry and that still isn't ideal.

Funny, I actually thought the exact same thing after posting, but left it as was.