Sixers Offseason Thread Part 2

[Negrodamus]

The offense runs through Embiid whether you/we like it or not. He already collapses the D into the paint. Having another player that lives primarily inside the 3 point line is just going to clog things up when defenses tighten up in the playoffs.
I get what you are saying for most offenses in the NBA, but you have to acknowledge we are not built like most/any offenses where the C is the primary scorer (aside from Denver).

Actually, our offense has been mostly through DHO or PnR. Luckily, DeRozan is in the 92nd percentile (Luka is 93rd, Shai 96th of guys with volume) as the PnR ball handler. I think we can figure out the offense with him. I also don't think anything will be clogged up with two of the best midrange scorers in the game.

Ok so now we’ve maxed Maxey to be a spot up shooter and poor defender?

I wouldn't go that far, but Maxey had ample opportunity to be "the guy" against the Knicks and he was beaten out by Brunson. Also could have also shown up against Celtics when Harden and Embiid were not showing up in the playoffs.

Clearly we need another guy to help him out. Not a slight towards Maxey at all, he's just not Steph Curry. Not many are.

[ProcessDoctor]

Also for reference last year:

Demar - 14.8 drives per game; 55.5% shooting on drives; generates points on 70% of drives

Jimmy - 14.3 drives per game; 44.4% shooting on drives; generates points on 49.7% of drives

Yea this Derozan = Jimmy lite narrative is nonsense.

[Jailblazers7]

Also for reference last year:

Demar - 14.8 drives per game; 55.5% shooting on drives; generates points on 70% of drives

Jimmy - 14.3 drives per game; 44.4% shooting on drives; generates points on 49.7% of drives

Yea this Derozan = Jimmy lite narrative is nonsense.

Hey I’m just reporting the news lol

But seriously, Playoff Jimmy is obviously a real thing but Demar for no assets on a reasonable deal is preferable to me over Jimmy for picks + a max contract.

[Covi_Marsh]

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Sign DeRozan and trade 16 for Grant.

Grant to me is a guy who looks great on a losing team where he's free to chuck. Force him to have to play a role and diminish his attempts per game and he's nothing special. I mean, he's averaging under 5 boards a game past few years and only had 3.5 a game last year. Tobias practically doubled him up in that category.

The rebounding numbers are concerning since he has a 7’3 wingspan and played PF for Portland. I don’t understand how he doesn’t avg 6 or 7.

With that said he did shoot 42% on catch and shoot 3s this past season on 4.8 shots per game. As a 3&D that is pretty special. Shot 40% from 3 in total past two season as well. And having the freedom in Portland, he’s actually able to attack close outs. He isn’t special in iso but he has some ability. Better than Tobias or Oubre in that manner. I feel like his offense is better than OG Annunby and he’s looking for max. I’d rather have the 29 mil contract for similar production.

[Covi_Marsh]

Actually, our offense has been mostly through DHO or PnR. Luckily, DeRozan is in the 92nd percentile (Luka is 93rd, Shai 96th of guys with volume) as the PnR ball handler. I think we can figure out the offense with him. I also don't think anything will be clogged up with two of the best midrange scorers in the game.

Ok so now we’ve maxed Maxey to be a spot up shooter and poor defender?

I wouldn't go that far, but Maxey had ample opportunity to be "the guy" against the Knicks and he was beaten out by Brunson. Also could have also shown up against Celtics when Harden and Embiid were not showing up in the playoffs.

Clearly we need another guy to help him out. Not a slight towards Maxey at all, he's just not Steph Curry. Not many are.

I think after Maxey making all star and having a good post season, along with the max contract, he will finally get a whistle this upcoming season. If he is consistently getting to the line we will see another leap for him. All NBA type leap. Was 2nd runner up with PG13 this past season and never got calls.

[ProcessDoctor]

Also for reference last year:

Demar - 14.8 drives per game; 55.5% shooting on drives; generates points on 70% of drives

Jimmy - 14.3 drives per game; 44.4% shooting on drives; generates points on 49.7% of drives

Yea this Derozan = Jimmy lite narrative is nonsense.

Hey I’m just reporting the news lol

But seriously, Playoff Jimmy is obviously a real thing but Demar for no assets on a reasonable deal is preferable to me over Jimmy for picks + a max contract.

lol yea I know.

I just feel like he represents what we’ve been as a team in the Embiid era - good but not good enough.

[Mik317]

Maxey being able to impact the game without the ball is exactly why you max him out lol.

Its not like he won't have any on ball reps either. Just having one ballhandler is exactly why we have lost as our only other options have been washed, shook, or our 7'2 center. Getting more guys who can handle and pass is very much needed just as shooting is. We had too many guys who can't do either or just shoot and due to not having many creator, getting said shots were difficult.

I don't know if DDR is that guy either as yeah the question of what does he do without the ball (he is also lowkey a mid to bad defender IIRC) but the idea of getting another shot creator is valid even if Maxey improves in that regard

[Negrodamus]

Ok so now we’ve maxed Maxey to be a spot up shooter and poor defender?

I wouldn't go that far, but Maxey had ample opportunity to be "the guy" against the Knicks and he was beaten out by Brunson. Also could have also shown up against Celtics when Harden and Embiid were not showing up in the playoffs.

Clearly we need another guy to help him out. Not a slight towards Maxey at all, he's just not Steph Curry. Not many are.

I think after Maxey making all star and having a good post season, along with the max contract, he will finally get a whistle this upcoming season. If he is consistently getting to the line we will see another leap for him. All NBA type leap. Was 2nd runner up with PG13 this past season and never got calls.

Yea, that works for me. I don't think DeRozan's presence would really affect that negatively. As I said before, LaVine was able to continue to be a big time scorer for the Bulls after they acquired DeRozan. I also think this being his likely final stop of relevance will make DeRozan bend the knee more to the established Sixer stars.

[mjkvol]

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Incredible

Hysterical.

Bewildering.

[Stanford]

I wouldn't go that far, but Maxey had ample opportunity to be "the guy" against the Knicks and he was beaten out by Brunson.

That doesn't mean a lot to me. 4 year age difference between the two. Given Maxey's rate of improvement, I don't doubt that he could match Brunson by next season.

[PhillyFan11]

Actually, our offense has been mostly through DHO or PnR. Luckily, DeRozan is in the 92nd percentile (Luka is 93rd, Shai 96th of guys with volume) as the PnR ball handler. I think we can figure out the offense with him. I also don't think anything will be clogged up with two of the best midrange scorers in the game.

Ok so now we’ve maxed Maxey to be a spot up shooter and poor defender?

I wouldn't go that far, but Maxey had ample opportunity to be "the guy" against the Knicks and he was beaten out by Brunson. Also could have also shown up against Celtics when Harden and Embiid were not showing up in the playoffs.

Clearly we need another guy to help him out. Not a slight towards Maxey at all, he's just not Steph Curry. Not many are.

Ahh I forgot about the 1 on 1 game Maxey and Brunson played. Thanks for the reminder.

Hear me out on this crazy idea though…get better players around Maxey and Embiid. Switch Tobi and Batum out for Hart and Divincenzo and are we talking about the same results? No, I don’t think we would be.

[Negrodamus]

I wouldn't go that far, but Maxey had ample opportunity to be "the guy" against the Knicks and he was beaten out by Brunson.

That doesn't mean a lot to me. 4 year age difference between the two. Given Maxey's rate of improvement, I don't doubt that he could match Brunson by next season.

Definitely possible and I hope it happens!

I'd like to see more self creation out of Maxey since that's been the thing plaguing us for most of 2 decades.

[Wilfried]

I wouldn't go that far, but Maxey had ample opportunity to be "the guy" against the Knicks and he was beaten out by Brunson.

Was that so?

And even if, Tyrese being 4 years younger doesn't matter?

[LeonJordanJr24]

Can Julious randle work here ?? His fit with Embiid would be crazy big skilled and limber.

[Negrodamus]

Look guys, I'm not trying to be a dick towards Maxey. I like him a lot. And he can 100% take the next step next year and beyond which I obviously hope he does.

But if he wanted to have an "I've arrived" moment, he could have not had a nightmare game 7 on the heels of his 46pt game and we would have beaten a Knicks team that was honestly not great. Hopefully he seizes on the moment in years to come, but I don't think we need to turn away offensive creators because he could possibly make that jump. They are unrelated with each other.

[Stanford]

Maxey... can 100% take the next step next year and beyond.

Well that's what we're talking about. Next year and beyond. We're not trying to get him a top spot in The Ringer's top 100 players of 23/24. I agree that we need playmaking, but it's reasonable to expect Maxey to improve in that area.

[Arsenal]

Look guys, I'm not trying to be a dick towards Maxey. I like him a lot. And he can 100% take the next step next year and beyond which I obviously hope he does.

But if he wanted to have an "I've arrived" moment, he could have not had a nightmare game 7 on the heels of his 46pt game and we would have beaten a Knicks team that was honestly not great. Hopefully he seizes on the moment in years to come, but I don't think we need to turn away offensive creators because he could possibly make that jump. They are unrelated with each other.

You can make a credible argument that Maxey played just as well or even better than Brunson in the series. Even if you give Brunson the nod, you can't blame the loss on Maxey because the Knicks killed us from their #3 player on down. Embiid and Maxey did way more than enough to win if they didn't have a trash supporting cast that got dominated by the Knicks role players.

[Negrodamus]

Look guys, I'm not trying to be a dick towards Maxey. I like him a lot. And he can 100% take the next step next year and beyond which I obviously hope he does.

But if he wanted to have an "I've arrived" moment, he could have not had a nightmare game 7 on the heels of his 46pt game and we would have beaten a Knicks team that was honestly not great. Hopefully he seizes on the moment in years to come, but I don't think we need to turn away offensive creators because he could possibly make that jump. They are unrelated with each other.

You can make a credible argument that Maxey played just as well or even better than Brunson in the series. Even if you give Brunson the nod, you can't blame the loss on Maxey because the Knicks killed us from their #3 player on down. Embiid and Maxey did way more than enough to win if they didn't have a trash supporting cast that got dominated by the Knicks role players.

I'm not blaming him. The entire thing makes sense: Embiid was injured, Maxey had an off game 7, we didn't have the tertiary help to land the plane.

It's just like I wouldn't blame LeBron for losing to the Pistons back in 2007 because he was playing with pure ass in his lineup. But he managed to do it. It's hard being a superstar.

[M2J]

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Not sure if this guy is reliable.

Hope we can get him at a decent price, seems like a very usefull player. Still young, athletic, active on passing lanes, can drive a bit, ...

Plays like and at same position as Kelly, so that means he could be gone? Or we have 2 profiles like that, won't be bad either.

Keep Kelly for sure (maybe if you get OG, but still try to keep him). MLE maybe

Evaluate Melton for a prove it deal or find a suitable replacement.

Try to keep Buddy for cheap. His playoff issues were Nurse related and were solved in game 6

Just sign DDR

Batum and Lowry

All deals must be quality enough to be tradable


Maybe try to use those picks to get my guy DJM at deadline.

Cancel DDR. Sign Klay instead, might cost at max 40mil for 2 years... Even back load it for extra flexibility. That's super flexible. I watched him hit a game winner last season in person vs Sac. He's not the creator for himself that he used to be. But with all stars like Joel and Tyrese he should get a lot of open looks and open them up a bunch. Not the defender he once was but still is smart.

I think signing him for 20 million 2 years frees you up from having to overpay for Batum even though I still would. Makes Buddy null and void.

Sign Cam Payne, Lowry, Oubre.... Kick Paul Reed to the curb or get him for less and sign a real backup Center, or a 4/5 that can maybe play with Joel.

Figure out Melton or a similar fit

Klay averaged like 19 on 41% from 3 after the all star break. His number's last year would be a Godsend for Philly. Steph at 36 it's not demanding the exact same coverage that he used to get, and Klay shouldn't have to play 80 games at this point either. Play him 60 to 65, and you won't get situations where he hits zero shots in the play-in tournament... Proven playoff guy.

Again I live in the Bay area... The main concern with Golden State was that they didn't have a second option at all with both Klay and Wiggins playing the way that they were, and Kuminga is a tough fit. Klay barely even needs to be a third option here, just needs to do what he does

[ProcessDoctor]

Someone who I think is just as good as KCP and will cost half the price is Royce O'Neale. I'm all in on him if we can snag him in the $10-12 mil range.