Nerlens Noel Thread

76ersfan · Post #981 » by **76ersfan** » Fri Apr 10, 2015 3:23 pm

Nerlens had a great year this season. I think you have to give Nerlens a lot of credit for working hard on his offensive game and improving his free throw shooting in the offseason. (Brett Brown and the staff deserves a good amount of credit also)

MRxBLACK · Post #982 » by **MRxBLACK** » Fri Apr 10, 2015 4:12 pm

Happy 21st to Noel.

Post #983 » by **CoreyGallagher** » Wed Apr 15, 2015 4:38 pm

http://www.nba.com/2015/news/features/s ... index.html

He's not going to be ROY, however, he'll at least get one vote.

MCtripDub · Post #984 » by **MCtripDub** » Thu Apr 23, 2015 4:26 am

I'm just gona leave this here... Don't forget to check and chime in on the comment section, guys.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2439 ... f-the-year

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Sixerboy3 · Post #985 » by **Sixerboy3** » Thu Apr 30, 2015 7:39 pm

Andrew Wiggins wins rookie of the year. Nerlens Noel finishes 3rd with only 3 first place votes (out of 130).

Post #986 » by **CoreyGallagher** » Thu Apr 30, 2015 7:42 pm

Knew Wiggins would win it, however I didn't account for the media. who cover the NBA for a living, would be such casuals about it. I should have, admittedly, points is all that matters.

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Kobblehead · Post #987 » by **Kobblehead** » Thu Apr 30, 2015 8:17 pm

Wiggins officially worst rookie performer to ever take home the award when considering his VORP and BPM. Perception is clearly the only thing that matters to clueless writers who vote.

76ciology · Post #988 » by **76ciology** » Fri May 1, 2015 4:43 am

Kobblehead wrote:Wiggins officially worst rookie performer to ever take home the award when considering his VORP and BPM. Perception is clearly the only thing that matters to clueless writers who vote.

Not to mention that below 14 PER.

Question. Is it easier to jack up Vorp and PER if you are playing with less talented or only a number teammates (Wolves played 8 players to close out the season)? Well, I'm pretty sure you will jack up your stats with 8 guys and high volume of minutes.

bedjawII · Post #989 » by **bedjawII** » Fri May 1, 2015 7:42 am

76ciology wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:Wiggins officially worst rookie performer to ever take home the award when considering his VORP and BPM. Perception is clearly the only thing that matters to clueless writers who vote.

Not to mention that below 14 PER.

Question. Is it easier to jack up Vorp and PER if you are playing with less talented or only a number teammates (Wolves played 8 players to close out the season)? Well, I'm pretty sure you will jack up your stats with 8 guys and high volume of minutes.

But in fairness that's kinda how MCW won it last year

Post #990 » by **CoreyGallagher** » Fri May 1, 2015 8:44 am

MCW lead in most raw statistical categories and was actually more efficient. Also, there weren't other realistic candidates last season.

MountainDrew · Post #991 » by **MountainDrew** » Fri May 1, 2015 9:13 am

Bill Simmons is known to be a Celtics homer/Sixers hater in his articles, but props to him for putting Noel 2nd on his ballot. Even though he's a Celtics fan, I've always liked him tbh. He does know basketball a bit at least.

76ciology · Post #992 » by **76ciology** » Fri May 1, 2015 10:52 am

MountainDrew wrote:Bill Simmons is known to be a Celtics homer/Sixers hater in his articles, but props to him for putting Noel 2nd on his ballot. Even though he's a Celtics fan, I've always liked him tbh. He does know basketball a bit at least.

Noel coming from Boston might play it's part.

76ciology · Post #993 » by **76ciology** » Fri May 1, 2015 10:55 am

bedjawII wrote:
76ciology wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:Wiggins officially worst rookie performer to ever take home the award when considering his VORP and BPM. Perception is clearly the only thing that matters to clueless writers who vote.

Not to mention that below 14 PER.

Question. Is it easier to jack up Vorp and PER if you are playing with less talented or only a number teammates (Wolves played 8 players to close out the season)? Well, I'm pretty sure you will jack up your stats with 8 guys and high volume of minutes.

But in fairness that's kinda how MCW won it last year

In fairness, MCW was terrific in some stretches in his rookie year. Some notables are the game record debut against the Heat and how he outplayed or was at par against Kyrie and Rose early on. And yes, MCW's raw stats are much better and he was more efficient.

42uptop · Post #994 » by **42uptop** » Fri May 1, 2015 9:49 pm

Ridiculous that so many voters didn't even have him on their ballots. But it isn't surprising, I'm sure many of them have not watched him play.

Att · Post #995 » by **Att** » Fri May 1, 2015 11:21 pm

CoreyGallagher wrote:MCW lead in most raw statistical categories and was actually more efficient. Also, there weren't other realistic candidates last season.

They weren't any realistic candidates this year either...

Post #996 » by **CoreyGallagher** » Fri May 1, 2015 11:33 pm

Att wrote:
CoreyGallagher wrote:MCW lead in most raw statistical categories and was actually more efficient. Also, there weren't other realistic candidates last season.

They weren't any realistic candidates this year either...

There were going to be marks of futility set regardless of who won this season (points, efficiency, lack of play time), however there was redeeming qualities for each ([historic] defense, raw stats, efficiency). Last season there was MCW and that's it, I still don't understand the case for Oladipo tbh, MCW topped him across the board from raw stats to advanced.

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76thBearCub · Post #997 » by **76thBearCub** » Sat May 2, 2015 3:02 am

It was obvious he was not going to win, but the votes are very disrespectful, even more if you respect mainstream media.

Post #998 » by **dbodner** » Sat May 2, 2015 11:52 am

CoreyGallagher wrote:MCW lead in most raw statistical categories and was actually more efficient. Also, there weren't other realistic candidates last season.

In what world? MCW's 48% true shooting percentage was far less than Wiggins' 51.7%.

Wiggins efficiency, considering age, usage, and dearth of offensive talent on that team, was actually not bad, and it improved as the year went on and Wiggins expanded his post-up game and got to the line more (53.3% on a 24.3% usage rate in the 2nd half).

Noel had the bigger impact this year IMO, but, for the role Wiggins played, his season was a success. Remember, even all-time greats like LeBron James (48.8% true shooting, 5.1 win shares, 1.9 bpm, 3.1 vorp) and Kevin Durant (51.9% true shooting, 2.3 win shares, -1.4 bpm, 0.4 vorp) struggled (relatively speaking) in their ability to score in volume during their rookie seasons. For kids that age, and in that role, usage is as much a predictor of future success as efficiency is, and Wiggins didn't fall on his face in terms of efficiency.

76ciology · Post #999 » by **76ciology** » Sat May 2, 2015 2:49 pm

dbodner wrote:
CoreyGallagher wrote:MCW lead in most raw statistical categories and was actually more efficient. Also, there weren't other realistic candidates last season.

In what world? MCW's 48% true shooting percentage was far less than Wiggins' 51.7%.

Wiggins efficiency, considering age, usage, and dearth of offensive talent on that team, was actually not bad, and it improved as the year went on and Wiggins expanded his post-up game and got to the line more (53.3% on a 24.3% usage rate in the 2nd half).

Noel had the bigger impact this year IMO, but, for the role Wiggins played, his season was a success. Remember, even all-time greats like LeBron James (48.8% true shooting, 5.1 win shares, 1.9 bpm, 3.1 vorp) and Kevin Durant (51.9% true shooting, 2.3 win shares, -1.4 bpm, 0.4 vorp) struggled (relatively speaking) in their ability to score in volume during their rookie seasons. For kids that age, and in that role, usage is as much a predictor of future success as efficiency is, and Wiggins didn't fall on his face in terms of efficiency.

Maybe Corey is talking about PER. (I'm just guessing) I mean, overall, MCW might be the better player in terms of efficiency. But in terms of scoring efficiency, there's no doubt that Wiggins is the better player.

luqboiler1 · Post #1000 » by **luqboiler1** » Sat May 2, 2015 3:57 pm

dbodner wrote:
CoreyGallagher wrote:MCW lead in most raw statistical categories and was actually more efficient. Also, there weren't other realistic candidates last season.

In what world? MCW's 48% true shooting percentage was far less than Wiggins' 51.7%.

Wiggins efficiency, considering age, usage, and dearth of offensive talent on that team, was actually not bad, and it improved as the year went on and Wiggins expanded his post-up game and got to the line more (53.3% on a 24.3% usage rate in the 2nd half).

Noel had the bigger impact this year IMO, but, for the role Wiggins played, his season was a success. Remember, even all-time greats like LeBron James (48.8% true shooting, 5.1 win shares, 1.9 bpm, 3.1 vorp) and Kevin Durant (51.9% true shooting, 2.3 win shares, -1.4 bpm, 0.4 vorp) struggled (relatively speaking) in their ability to score in volume during their rookie seasons. For kids that age, and in that role, usage is as much a predictor of future success as efficiency is, and Wiggins didn't fall on his face in terms of efficiency.

Can someone direct me to a site that gives this warp, ts%, win shares, etc.?