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2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread IV

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Re: 2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread IV 

Post#981 » by LloydFree » Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:38 pm

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Tough choice, but due to fit, I'd probably take Donovan Mitchell for the 76ers. 6'0 PGs don't start in the NBA anymore, no matter how good they are. PG is such a deep position, it's hard to project Evans as a potential Starter at 6'0 tall.


Would you mark him as a possible exception if he had plus or elite quickness instead of just being ordinary in this regard?

Yeah. If he had elite quickness OR was elite at finishing at the rim, I'd have him ranked ahead of DeAaron Fox. Evans has better PG skills than Fox, but Fox has the height and quickness. You can teach skills, but you can't teach height or quickness. Fox won't be any good in year one or two, but he has the potential to eventually be a very good starter in the league. I'm not sure Evans has that ceiling.
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Re: 2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread IV 

Post#982 » by Kobblehead » Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:53 pm

It's unfortunate that such a gifted and smart penetrator just cannot convert buckets at the rim due to lack of physical tools and a weak profile.
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Re: 2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread IV 

Post#983 » by SelfishPlayer » Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:57 pm

Josh Jackson showing his lack of triple threat and ability to start as a college power forward mismatch due to being a 20 year old
freshman. He got his shot blocked far more than I thought...

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Re: 2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread IV 

Post#984 » by Kobblehead » Mon Jun 12, 2017 2:01 pm

A new batch of prospects are in for a workout today.

Read on Twitter


Anyone interested in any of these guys?
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Re: 2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread IV 

Post#985 » by Sixersftw » Mon Jun 12, 2017 2:26 pm

Kobblehead wrote:A new batch of prospects are in for a workout today.

Anyone interested in any of these guys?


Nope, have we had any of the top tier prospects in yet? We seem to only be, publicly, bringing in lower tier prospects.
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Re: 2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread IV 

Post#986 » by Kobblehead » Mon Jun 12, 2017 2:36 pm

I'm not sure what to make of it. It does seem kinda weird that the Knicks, who are picking 8th, have had several workouts with Top 10 prospects and we haven't had a single "public" one.
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Re: 2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread IV 

Post#987 » by kriss73 » Mon Jun 12, 2017 2:37 pm

Maybe we don't have the #3 pick anymore.
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Re: 2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread IV 

Post#988 » by Simmons25 » Mon Jun 12, 2017 2:45 pm

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Kobblehead wrote:Yeah, Bolden is fascinatingly quick-twitch.



And he hits threes, rebounds and gives defensive effort.


Should have stayed at UCLA this year. Lonzo Ball would have made him a sure lottery pick and TJ Leaf would have been sitting on the bench.


He was played out of position at UCLA. It was one of the reasons he left to go overseas, but there is a nice article here about him that goes into some of the reasons he left.

He seemed to have similar issues at UCLA to what Ben Simmons did at LSU which is boredom. Perhaps it's an Australian thing where there isn't the same here where you have to go to College to play basketball. These kids would rather play professionally and dedicate all their time to it, rather than being "amateur" at College and being forced to study for meaningless degrees that they can't even get most of the time.

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Re: 2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread IV 

Post#989 » by Kobblehead » Mon Jun 12, 2017 3:04 pm

I can't believe there's been no rise in the stock of Dillon Brooks yet.
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Post#990 » by 76ciology » Mon Jun 12, 2017 3:04 pm

SelfishPlayer wrote:Josh Jackson showing his lack of triple threat and ability to start as a college power forward mismatch due to being a 20 year old
freshman. He got his shot blocked far more than I thought...



Yes. And that's why Lakers and Celtics shouldn't draft him.

He's a 20 year old freshman that Sixers can afford to draft given that the Sixers already have already a surplus of talent.
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Post#991 » by 76ciology » Mon Jun 12, 2017 3:07 pm

kriss73 wrote:Maybe we don't have the #3 pick anymore.


Why bring them in. Drafting with a top 3 is too easy. Just browse at draftexpress on draft night.
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Re: 2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread IV 

Post#992 » by Chris76 » Mon Jun 12, 2017 3:49 pm

76ciology wrote:
SelfishPlayer wrote:Josh Jackson showing his lack of triple threat and ability to start as a college power forward mismatch due to being a 20 year old
freshman. He got his shot blocked far more than I thought...



Yes. And that's why Lakers and Celtics shouldn't draft him.

He's a 20 year old freshman that Sixers can afford to draft given that the Sixers already have already a surplus of talent.
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He is a natural finisher. If we don't come away with one of Fultz, Ball, Jackson, or Fox. I will be so disappointed.
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Re: 2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread IV 

Post#993 » by Negrodamus » Mon Jun 12, 2017 3:51 pm

Kobblehead wrote:A new batch of prospects are in for a workout today.

Read on Twitter


Anyone interested in any of these guys?


Kyle Kuzma is somewhat interesting.

I was intrigued by Blossomgame a year ago when he was hitting threes while playing stellar defense. Now he just looks like an extremely undersized PF. Maybe he could survive in the league as a back up small-ball PF, but any form of wing looks unlikely.

Calipari must have some serious pull in the NBA to have Dominique Hawkins in all these workouts. If he gets drafted, I'll be at a loss for words. That said, he has ridiculous hops, a very improved jump shot, and one of the best personalities I've seen from a UK player. Unbelievably nice and genuine.
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Re: 2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread IV 

Post#994 » by Arsenal » Mon Jun 12, 2017 3:59 pm

New big board for the Sixers:

1) Dennis Smith Jr.
2) Markelle Fultz
3) Lonzo Ball
4) Jayson Tatum
5) De'Aaron Fox
6) Josh Jackson

I was pretty low on Dennis Smith for most of the year, but I've changed my mind. Assuming the character concerns are overblown and we're confident he can fit into our system, he should be our pick at #3 assuming he isn't picked already.

He's a legit 3 level scorer. He is a good bet to be a good/great shooter. He is good at shooting off the bounce from distance. He has sick athleticism and the potential to be a decent/good defender even though he needs work in that area. He's very good at the P&R. Looks like a Damian Lillard type of player to me.

Ideally if some form of the SAC deal is on the table to move down (#3 and Okafor for #5 and #10?), we pull the trigger, move down, and take Smith at #5.
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Re: 2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread IV 

Post#995 » by oddwolfhooligan » Mon Jun 12, 2017 4:00 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Maybe, maybe not. Giannis has no mid-range jumper and he can't hit a three whatsoever and he's now a 22+ ppg scorer off the strength of transition buckets, drives to the rim and free throws. Ben's scoring trajectory should be similar.


You left out three of the biggest and most crucial aspects of Giannis's scoring output which is his length, motor, and aggression. If Giannis had a 6'11 or 7' wingspan and played with an average motor and average aggression on offense, he wouldn't produce nearly as much. Not saying Simmons can't pick up either of the latter two qualities, but he's definitely not there yet.
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Re: 2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread IV 

Post#996 » by HotelVitale » Mon Jun 12, 2017 4:00 pm

SelfishPlayer wrote:Josh Jackson showing his lack of triple threat and ability to start as a college power forward mismatch due to being a 20 year old ]
Hmm, this video mostly praises the ish out of him, says he's between good and elite at like ten things and only average at finishing in the paint. And most of that criticism is about making some bad decisions (stopping his dribble too soon, going up with a plan, etc). If you're looking at this video for evidence to downgrade him as a prospect, you might be looking a little too hard.
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Re: 2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread IV 

Post#997 » by 76ciology » Mon Jun 12, 2017 4:09 pm

HotelVitale wrote:
SelfishPlayer wrote:Josh Jackson showing his lack of triple threat and ability to start as a college power forward mismatch due to being a 20 year old ]
Hmm, this video mostly praises the ish out of him, says he's between good and elite at like ten things and only average at finishing in the paint. And most of that criticism is about making some bad decisions (stopping his dribble too soon, going up with a plan, etc). If you're looking at this video for evidence to downgrade him as a prospect, you might be looking a little too hard.


That's the best video to downgrade him. Hoping everyone gets lost in translation. Hahaha
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Re: 2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread IV 

Post#998 » by HotelVitale » Mon Jun 12, 2017 4:23 pm

Arsenal wrote: I was pretty low on Dennis Smith for most of the year, but I've changed my mind. Assuming the character concerns are overblown and we're confident he can fit into our system... He's a legit 3 level scorer. He is a good bet to be a good/great shooter. He is good at shooting off the bounce from distance. He has sick athleticism and the potential to be a decent/good defender even though he needs work in that area. He's very good at the P&R. Looks like a Damian Lillard type of player to me.
I've been pretty high on DSJ for most of the year so let me give the measured flipside. He is a legit 3-level scorer and he can hit from all over. But let's start with your assumption on shooting: he's very very much a rhythm shooter--when he's in control of the ball and he's feeling it he's pretty unstoppable, but he also disappears off ball and his shot isn't particularly lethal in spot ups. He's also relatively small with small arms, so he'll have fewer opportunities for spot ups in the NBA. I don't see any reason to think he's a killer shooter--it's more like he makes really cool tough shots sometimes but then isn't that consistent or good overall.

Also not sure why you think he's a good bet on defense: he was a terrible defender this year, and doesn't have phenomenal NBA tools for defense. His athleticism is more explosive stuff--first step, hang time--than amazing lateral quickness, and he doesn't have much defensive IQ. And he'll be a little undersized (about 6'2 with a 6'3 wingspan).

Damian Lillard is a solid reference point and the comp makes a good pt. Lillard has always been efficient in the NBA, posted 56-59% TS on great volume from the get go. If DSJ ends up just a little less efficient (which is very possible since he's not as good of a shooter, since he's smaller, etc) and is in the 53% TS range, that's too low to be a big option on a decent team (unless a guy's also a great defender, passer, etc). That gets to the real problem with DSJ: his skillset is score-first ball-dominant PG, and his mentality is classic me-first bring-it-to-em. If he's not quite good enough to do that with the very best at the NBA-level, then he's basically limited to being your sixth man gunner--and if he's not quite efficient enough to do that, then he's a journeyman scorer. It's hard to imagine him as a role player or a guy that blends with players with divergent skillsets (who will frequently take the ball out of his hands). That's why his mentality matters: I usually don't put much stock in that stuff, but I think DSJ will need humility and an open mind to figure out what he can do at the next level and how he can help a team win, and he's sort of shown the opposite this year. If it's not about him, he seems to get bored, and I can see how he wouldn't fight through adversity unless there's something in it for him. I don't think that should be the last word, and I hate all the moralizing about how kids have to have a certain attitude or whatever, but I think it directly effects his skills and role in the NBA so I would make it a legit actor in my draft dossier on him.
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Re: 2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread IV 

Post#999 » by OleSchool » Mon Jun 12, 2017 4:24 pm

Posted this in the top prospects thread and Ill post it here.

Just read this on the Kings board. in talks for the 5th and their 2nd for the 3rd and OK4

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Re: 2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread IV 

Post#1000 » by SelfishPlayer » Mon Jun 12, 2017 4:27 pm

HotelVitale wrote:
SelfishPlayer wrote:Josh Jackson showing his lack of triple threat and ability to start as a college power forward mismatch due to being a 20 year old ]
Hmm, this video mostly praises the ish out of him, says he's between good and elite at like ten things and only average at finishing in the paint. And most of that criticism is about making some bad decisions (stopping his dribble too soon, going up with a plan, etc). If you're looking at this video for evidence to downgrade him as a prospect, you might be looking a little too hard.


The video is CONFIRMATION, that he isn't as high as Ball and Fox in my rankings. I look for what a player is NOT doing, and whatever he is doing, who is he doing it against? Lack of triple threat and benefitting from being an older freshman strategically positioned to be a mismatch at PF against bums is what the video shows. Someone like you will see him receive the ball moving downhill while being defended by a college PF or C and only give him credit for making a play. He deserves no credit in that scenario IMO. His coach deserves all of the credit for exploiting the weak college PF position with a 20 year old freshman projected to be an NBA wing. Kansas' coach succesfully coached around Josh Jackson's lack of triple threat by never putting him in position for that to happen. Genius! He protected his player. You will have to really know the game of basketball to notice what's not being done. Josh Jackson's put back dunks, ability to make plays off of the dribble while already at full speed, attacking close outs, and some post up touches are the only things he does to create baskets. Attacking closeouts may not be an option if he has a broken 3 point shot in the NBA, him pushing the ball up the floor off of a made basket (downhill) will definitely not be an option. Him running pick and roll will definitely not be an option, so that leaves the triple threat, a staple of wing scoring in the NBA. He has no ability there so as a coach you either protect him by going to his strengths or you bench him until he improves his weaknesses. This is an Evan Turner scenario all over again. You will probably have to eventually put Josh Jackson at PF in the NBA. :noway:
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