2025 Fantasy Trade Thread

[76ciology]

Wolves:
Joel Embiid
Kelly Oubre
- Moves on from Gobert
- Wolves take a chance on Embiid
- McDaniels and Reid can carry some of Embiid’s load

Conley
Divicenzo
Edwards
McDaniels
Embiid

Pelicans:
Julius Randle
Clippers 2028 1st round pick
Clippers 2029 pick swap
- Randle replaces Zion

Sixers:
Rudy Gobert
Zion Williamson
- Solves their frontcourt problem
- Frontcourt size allows them to play McCain and Maxey backcourt
- Im also fine with not trading for Zion and staying with Randle. Randle is a much better shooter

Tyrese Maxey/McCain
Quentin Grimes/VJ
Paul George/Grimes
Julius Randle or Zion/Watford/Walker
Rudy Gobert/Bona

If you think nobody’s gonna trade for Embiid

Spoiler:

Wolves:
Joel Embiid
Kelly Oubre
Clippers 2028 1st round pick
Clippers 2029 pick swap

- Moves on from Gobert
- Wolves take a chance on Embiid
- McDaniels and Reid can carry some of Embiid’s load

Conley
Divicenzo
Edwards
McDaniels
Embiid


Sixers:
Rudy Gobert
Zion Williamson
- Solves their frontcourt problem


Tyrese Maxey/McCain
Quentin Grimes/VJ
Paul George/Grimes
Julius Randle/Watford/Walker
Rudy Gobert/Bona

[76ciology]

Heat
Paul George
Andre Drummond
- George gives Heat the secondary playmaker or option they need with George
- Adebayo’s perimeter game might allow some Bum-Drum 4&5

Tyler Herro
Paul George
Haywood Highsmith
Nikola Jovic
Bam Adebayo

Sixers
Andrew Wiggins
Ware
Rozier’s 2026 Expiring
- Allows double big
- sacrificed George’s scoring for more reliability and 3&D
- cap flexibility

Tyrese Maxey
Quentin Grimes
Andrew Wiggins
Ware
Joel Embiid

[76ciology]

Thunders:
Quentin Grimes
- somebody who can contribute right away and can fit with their scheme

Sixers:
Thomas Sorber
Ousmaine Dieng
Kendrick Williams
- Got two young promising players to develop
- Gets more PT for VJ and McCain

[youngcrev]

Deal 1: Nobody is trading for Joel right now with the injury/contract. Not sure anyone is touching Zion at the moment either with the court case.

Deal 2: PG clearly isn't bringing back positive value. Heat don't touch that.

Deal 3: Does Grimes even play on that team? Don't see them giving up Sobers for them. They're not going to pay Grimes what he wants, particularly for the role he'd have there. They need to control their cap long-term.

[mjkvol]

Deal 1: Nobody is trading for Joel right now with the injury/contract. Not sure anyone is touching Zion at the moment either with the court case.

Deal 2: PG clearly isn't bringing back positive value. Heat don't touch that.

Deal 3: Does Grimes even play on that team? Don't see them giving up Sobers for them. They're not going to pay Grimes what he wants, particularly for the role he'd have there. They need to control their cap long-term.

You beat me to it on all three points - well done.

[the_process]

Wolves:
Joel Embiid
Kelly Oubre
- Moves on from Gobert
- Wolves take a chance on Embiid
- McDaniels and Reid can carry some of Embiid’s load

Conley
Divicenzo
Edwards
McDaniels
Embiid

Pelicans:
Julius Randle
Clippers 2028 1st round pick
Clippers 2029 pick swap
- Randle replaces Zion

Sixers:
Rudy Gobert
Zion Williamson
- Solves their frontcourt problem
- Frontcourt size allows them to play McCain and Maxey backcourt
- Im also fine with not trading for Zion and staying with Randle. Randle is a much better shooter

Tyrese Maxey/McCain
Quentin Grimes/VJ
Paul George/Grimes
Julius Randle or Zion/Watford/Walker
Rudy Gobert/Bona

If you think nobody’s gonna trade for Embiid

Spoiler:

Wolves:
Joel Embiid
Kelly Oubre
Clippers 2028 1st round pick
Clippers 2029 pick swap

- Moves on from Gobert
- Wolves take a chance on Embiid
- McDaniels and Reid can carry some of Embiid’s load

Conley
Divicenzo
Edwards
McDaniels
Embiid


Sixers:
Rudy Gobert
Zion Williamson
- Solves their frontcourt problem


Tyrese Maxey/McCain
Quentin Grimes/VJ
Paul George/Grimes
Julius Randle/Watford/Walker
Rudy Gobert/Bona

Wolves aren't the desperate team to take the stab in the dark at Joel.

I think the potential list is 6 teams:
CHA, CHI, DET, LAL, SAC, TOR

[mjkvol]

Wolves aren't the desperate team to take the stab in the dark at Joel.

I think the potential list is 6 teams:
CHA, CHI, DET, LAL, SAC, TOR

Agree on no from MIN, as well as CHI, SAC, and TOR being desperate/stupid enough to take that dive into an empty pool.

DET has a nice thing going, and CHA seems to finally have some sane management and a good young group developing. Embiid ruins either situation in the short and long term.

I would have agreed on LAL if Luka didn't sign, but there's no way they're going to flush what appears to be a great future just to placate James, who they'd be thrilled to dump at this point. And please don't suggest James coming here and ruining our youth movement. The Lakers have much bigger fish in mind over the next couple of off seasons.

[youngcrev]

Wolves:
Joel Embiid
Kelly Oubre
- Moves on from Gobert
- Wolves take a chance on Embiid
- McDaniels and Reid can carry some of Embiid’s load

Conley
Divicenzo
Edwards
McDaniels
Embiid

Pelicans:
Julius Randle
Clippers 2028 1st round pick
Clippers 2029 pick swap
- Randle replaces Zion

Sixers:
Rudy Gobert
Zion Williamson
- Solves their frontcourt problem
- Frontcourt size allows them to play McCain and Maxey backcourt
- Im also fine with not trading for Zion and staying with Randle. Randle is a much better shooter

Tyrese Maxey/McCain
Quentin Grimes/VJ
Paul George/Grimes
Julius Randle or Zion/Watford/Walker
Rudy Gobert/Bona

If you think nobody’s gonna trade for Embiid

Spoiler:

Wolves:
Joel Embiid
Kelly Oubre
Clippers 2028 1st round pick
Clippers 2029 pick swap

- Moves on from Gobert
- Wolves take a chance on Embiid
- McDaniels and Reid can carry some of Embiid’s load

Conley
Divicenzo
Edwards
McDaniels
Embiid


Sixers:
Rudy Gobert
Zion Williamson
- Solves their frontcourt problem


Tyrese Maxey/McCain
Quentin Grimes/VJ
Paul George/Grimes
Julius Randle/Watford/Walker
Rudy Gobert/Bona

Wolves aren't the desperate team to take the stab in the dark at Joel.

I think the potential list is 6 teams:
CHA, CHI, DET, LAL, SAC, TOR

I feel like the recipe for taking a shot on Embiid is having some good, but not elite, young guards, an overpaid aging, injury prone former all star, and a GM as desperate for him to succeed to keep their job. Like, say, the Philadelphia 76ers.

[the_process]

If I'm Morey, I'm probably going to be able to get another job right away, so I'd actually want to get fired and go to a better environment.

Although with this ownership, we can't rule out that they just make Nurse and Morey finish out their contracts and then look for replacements.

[ProcessDoctor]

CHI out: Vucevic, P. Williams, Smith, 2026 1st (top-8 protected)
CHI in: Embiid, Moody

GSW out: Kuminga (S&T), Moody
GSW in: Vucevic, Oubre, Smith

PHI out: Embiid, Oubre
PHI in: Kuminga, P. Williams, 2026 CHI 1st (top-8 protected)

Maxey/McCain/Lowry
Grimes/Edgecombe/Gordon
Kuminga/P. Williams/Edwards
George/Watford/Walker
Bona/Drummond/Broome

[shadowTerp]

Posted this on the T&T board, thought I'd post it here as well. Not sure if I like this or not.
Update: Never mind. Doesn't work due to the first apron hard cap.

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GSW

• Out: Kuminga (3/63).
• In: Grimes (3/50), 2027 2nd (Best of PHX/GSW), 2028 2nd (GSW).
• Rationale: Gets decent value for Kuminga, bringing in Grimes to compete with Podz in the starting unit, and having two of their 2nd rounders returned. This does make them a bit guard heavy (Curry, Podz, Grimes, Moody, Hield), which means they may not want to sign Melton afterwards.

PHI

• Out: Grimes (3/50), Drummond, 2027 2nd (Best of PHX/GSW), 2 2028 2nds (PHI and GSW).
• In: Kuminga (3/63).
• Rationale: Balances out their young core by obtaining them a young PF with a lot of potential, while keeping them under the tax line. I didn't feel the difference between Grimes and Kuminga warranted a first round pick... but that is obviously one of the sticking points. If the difference is a first, probably the 2028 LAC first is the candidate.

BRK

• Out: Nothing.
• In: Drummond, 2028 2nd (PHI).
• Rationale: Gets them closer to the salary floor for a 2nd round pick with upside.

Notes

• Kuminga's Contract: $20, $21, $22.
• Grimes's Contract: $16, $16.67, $17.33.
• Obviously, both players would need to agree to these contracts.

[the_process]

Posted this on the T&T board, thought I'd post it here as well. Not sure if I like this or not.

GSW

• Out: Kuminga (3/63).
• In: Grimes (3/50), 2027 2nd (Best of PHX/GSW), 2028 2nd (GSW).
• Rationale: Gets decent value for Kuminga, bringing in Grimes to compete with Podz in the starting unit, and having two of their 2nd rounders returned. This does make them a bit guard heavy (Curry, Podz, Grimes, Moody, Hield), which means they may not want to sign Melton afterwards.

PHI

• Out: Grimes (3/50), Drummond, 2027 2nd (Best of PHX/GSW), 2 2028 2nds (PHI and GSW).
• In: Kuminga (3/63).
• Rationale: Balances out their young core by obtaining them a young PF with a lot of potential, while keeping them under the tax line. I didn't feel the difference between Grimes and Kuminga warranted a first round pick... but that is obviously one of the sticking points. If the difference is a first, probably the 2028 LAC first is the candidate.

BRK

• Out: Nothing.
• In: Drummond, 2028 2nd (PHI).
• Rationale: Gets them closer to the salary floor for a 2nd round pick with upside.

Notes

• Kuminga's Contract: $20, $21, $22.
• Grimes's Contract: $16, $16.67, $17.33.
• Obviously, both players would need to agree to these contracts.

I thought Gtimes and Kuminga only count 50% outbound value (S&T)? Which means the Sixers are sending out ~13M but taking back 21M. That's DOA.

That's also 10.5M out for GSW and 16.67M in. Also DOA.

[shadowTerp]

I thought Gtimes and Kuminga only count 50% outbound value (S&T)? Which means the Sixers are sending out ~13M but taking back 21M. That's DOA.

That's also 10.5M out for GSW and 16.67M in. Also DOA.

Huh. Fanspo allows it because both directions are within 7.5 million, as both teams are under the first apron. It’s why Drummond has to be included in the trade, and to a third team.

From Sports Business Classroom https://www.sportsbusinessclassroom.com/understanding-trade-matching-in-the-new-collective-bargaining-agreement/:

As of July 1, for teams below the apron:

• Up to $7.25 million in outgoing salary can bring back 200 percent plus $250,000
• $7,250,001 to $29 million will be padded by a flat $7.5 million
• Above $29 million will be limited to 125 percent plus $250,000

So, if that’s true, it’s a legal trade. However, if that isn’t true and this isn’t legal, I apologize.

[the_process]

I thought Gtimes and Kuminga only count 50% outbound value (S&T)? Which means the Sixers are sending out ~13M but taking back 21M. That's DOA.

That's also 10.5M out for GSW and 16.67M in. Also DOA.

Huh. Fanspo allows it because both directions are within 7.5 million, as both teams are under the first apron. It’s why Drummond has to be included in the trade, and to a third team.

From Sports Business Classroom https://www.sportsbusinessclassroom.com/understanding-trade-matching-in-the-new-collective-bargaining-agreement/:

As of July 1, for teams below the apron:

• Up to $7.25 million in outgoing salary can bring back 200 percent plus $250,000
• $7,250,001 to $29 million will be padded by a flat $7.5 million
• Above $29 million will be limited to 125 percent plus $250,000

So, if that’s true, it’s a legal trade. However, if that isn’t true and this isn’t legal, I apologize.

All of that might be true, however it's also true that taking back more money in a trade than you send out hard caps you at the 1st apron. Both Philly and GSW would be over the 1st apron after this trade as is. Therefore illegal.

[shadowTerp]

All of that might be true, however it's also true that taking back more money in a trade than you send out hard caps you at the 1st apron. Both Philly and GSW would be over the 1st apron after this trade as is. Therefore illegal.

Oh, I see... you're right. Fanspo doesn't have Edgecombe's salary included, so it gives us more space that we actually have. Spotrac has that contract listed, so it's not an option. My apologies for using a trade machine that doesn't have the correct data.

[the_process]

All of that might be true, however it's also true that taking back more money in a trade than you send out hard caps you at the 1st apron. Both Philly and GSW would be over the 1st apron after this trade as is. Therefore illegal.

Oh, I see... you're right. Fanspo doesn't have Edgecombe's salary included, so it gives us more space that we actually have. Spotrac has that contract listed, so it's not an option. My apologies for using a trade machine that doesn't have the correct data.

The interns haven't entered the rookie deals yet in the trade websites

[the_process]

BKN gets Oubre, future HOU 2nd, future PHI 2nd
HOU gets Grimes S&T (3-48), Drummond, 28 LAC 1st, future PHI 2nd
PHI gets Eason and Adams

[the_process]

Oubre to DAL for OMax and Powell.

[the_process]

PG and 2029 PHI 1st w/LAC swap rights to POR for Grant and Thybulle.

Dump Oubre on the Nets with two 2nds.

Re-sign Grimes 3-48.

Payroll ends up virtually the same as it is right now, about 2M under the tax.

[zaz102]

PG and 2029 PHI 1st w/LAC swap rights to POR for Grant and Thybulle.

Dump Oubre on the Nets with two 2nds.

Re-sign Grimes 3-48.

Payroll ends up virtually the same as it is right now, about 2M under the tax.

What is the purpose of this trade? Why give up assets to get worse? I can't imagine anyone thinks Grant is worth PG, Oubre, FRP, 2 SRPs.