CBS Sports "reporting": Sixers reportedly plan to trade either Nerlens Noel or Jahlil Okafor

Dave321 · Post #1 » by **Dave321** » Fri Sep 9, 2016 3:49 pm

"Philly doesn't believe the two big men complement each other on the court"

In other news, Barak Obama was elected to a second term as President of the United States.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/sixers-reportedly-plan-to-trade-either-nerlens-noel-or-jahlil-okafor/

Post #2 » by **Sixerscan** » Fri Sep 9, 2016 4:06 pm

Ok I locked this at first but it's actually citing woj saying that they've stil been looking to trade them. So I'll leave it open.

jbent87 · Post #3 » by **jbent87** » Fri Sep 9, 2016 4:45 pm

Kinda lazy by Woj to even put that comment in here as if he's breaking anything. Disappointing, nothing, puff piece by CBS.

the_process · Post #4 » by **the_process** » Fri Sep 9, 2016 4:59 pm

"Sixers will eventually move Noel or Okafor".

"In other news today; water is still wet, and the sky remains blue".

Woj put that in there because clickbait. Bills have to be paid. :dontknow:

It is what it is.

76ciology · Post #5 » by **76ciology** » Fri Sep 9, 2016 6:04 pm

water is wet

76ciology · Post #6 » by **76ciology** » Fri Sep 9, 2016 6:05 pm

Just for fun, let's have a discussion where the prokafor and negafors switch teams.

jsa · Post #7 » by **jsa** » Fri Sep 9, 2016 6:38 pm

Colangelo kind of leaked the obvious, that the roster is unbalanced both size and talent location. Neither he nor Brown has said in public that Noel and Okafor can't play together, no matter how much we speculate that they believe that. So does the reporter have an inside source that confirms that to be the case?

No one played well together on a 10 win team last year. You had D-league talent playing a lot of minutes, decent role players being asked to do much more than their ability and on and on.

When Embiid acclimates, he , Okafor, Simmons, Bayless and Henderson will probably get the most minutes positionally. Off the bench with with Noel. Saric, Covington Rodriguez, and Stauskas is a true NBA representative 2nd team. And Grant and Holmes can play a
bit. They will be in more games and even leading, but still no "give me the ball" closer so the wins will be shy.

Brown has to be a McGenius to mesh the lads, and Colangelo has to get some value back if they don't mesh, particularly the bigs.

I am really looking forward to odd combinations as the year starts, combinations with talent, albeit youthful, just to see the way it plays this year. Let last year go.

LloydFree · Post #8 » by **LloydFree** » Fri Sep 9, 2016 6:57 pm

I hoping for a trade, right before training camp. Be decisive in the style of play you want and pick the right one to trade, that's all.

Worm122 · Post #9 » by **Worm122** » Fri Sep 9, 2016 7:23 pm

Noel for Gay and Ben McLemore

Mik317 · Post #10 » by **Mik317** » Fri Sep 9, 2016 7:27 pm

wait...wut?

no way.

I can't believe this. What hack wrote this article. No way we trade either guy. All centers all the time son.

jsa · Post #11 » by **jsa** » Fri Sep 9, 2016 7:30 pm

How do they "figure it out" before training camp, let alone exhibition season? Let them practice and play score doesn't count games and let Brown show he is the real deal. It will likely be quite cumbersome at times, but who cares? They can only get better with more talent.

Ericb5 · Post #12 » by **Ericb5** » Fri Sep 9, 2016 7:51 pm

jsa wrote:How do they "figure it out" before training camp, let alone exhibition season? Let them practice and play score doesn't count games and let Brown show he is the real deal. It will likely be quite cumbersome at times, but who cares? They can only get better with more talent.

I think that the "figure it out" part should be figured out by now. We have figured it out mostly on this site. It's just that we disagree on what we have figured out. Theoretically, BC's opinion on the Okafor/Noel debate is the only one that matters, and whichever guy he figures he wants to keep should be kept, and then the other one should be traded.

Now of course you can't make a horrible trade, and in that sense we may have to wait, but I doubt that he is still trying to determine who he wants to keep.

For me, as a prokafor, I think we should trade Noel, but I wouldn't trade him to the Celtics for Rozier and a non Net's pick, so if that is the current best offer then I'm going to hold. If we are deciding whether to take Bradley and a non Nets pick or not then I would say that the time to cut bait is now.

thenbaman · Post #13 » by **thenbaman** » Fri Sep 9, 2016 10:04 pm

No celtic trade.

Tony Franciosa · Post #14 » by **Tony Franciosa** » Fri Sep 9, 2016 11:34 pm

#keepallthebigs

(at least till Embiid stays healthy for a while)

spikeslovechild · Post #15 » by **spikeslovechild** » Sat Sep 10, 2016 12:04 am

Ericb5 wrote:
jsa wrote:How do they "figure it out" before training camp, let alone exhibition season? Let them practice and play score doesn't count games and let Brown show he is the real deal. It will likely be quite cumbersome at times, but who cares? They can only get better with more talent.

I think that the "figure it out" part should be figured out by now. We have figured it out mostly on this site. It's just that we disagree on what we have figured out. Theoretically, BC's opinion on the Okafor/Noel debate is the only one that matters, and whichever guy he figures he wants to keep should be kept, and then the other one should be traded.

Now of course you can't make a horrible trade, and in that sense we may have to wait, but I doubt that he is still trying to determine who he wants to keep.

For me, as a prokafor, I think we should trade Noel, but I wouldn't trade him to the Celtics for Rozier and a non Net's pick, so if that is the current best offer then I'm going to hold. If we are deciding whether to take Bradley and a non Nets pick or not then I would say that the time to cut bait is now.

Agreed on all counts.

Noel makes the most sense for a variety of reasons but I'm not willing to just give him away. One of the things that sort of concerns me about BC is we are all assuming the offers for Noel are terrible and that why he hasn't been moved but outside a couple of rumors which may or may not be true we have no idea what is being offered.

I'm not sure I trust BC to not bungle this. We saw with Andrea he was unable to pull the trigger. Masai came in and almost immediately traded him for a first rounder. Why didn't BC? Was that deal not available. Like I said I agree with most of the moves BC has made this offseason but they are not franchise altering with the exception of Simmons which was the consensus number one pick. This has the potential to set us back bigtime if he chooses the wrong player and/or doesn't get a good package in return. He has to get this right.

Ericb5 · Post #16 » by **Ericb5** » Sat Sep 10, 2016 1:05 am

spikeslovechild wrote:
Ericb5 wrote:
jsa wrote:How do they "figure it out" before training camp, let alone exhibition season? Let them practice and play score doesn't count games and let Brown show he is the real deal. It will likely be quite cumbersome at times, but who cares? They can only get better with more talent.

I think that the "figure it out" part should be figured out by now. We have figured it out mostly on this site. It's just that we disagree on what we have figured out. Theoretically, BC's opinion on the Okafor/Noel debate is the only one that matters, and whichever guy he figures he wants to keep should be kept, and then the other one should be traded.

Now of course you can't make a horrible trade, and in that sense we may have to wait, but I doubt that he is still trying to determine who he wants to keep.

For me, as a prokafor, I think we should trade Noel, but I wouldn't trade him to the Celtics for Rozier and a non Net's pick, so if that is the current best offer then I'm going to hold. If we are deciding whether to take Bradley and a non Nets pick or not then I would say that the time to cut bait is now.

Agreed on all counts.

Noel makes the most sense for a variety of reasons but I'm not willing to just give him away. One of the things that sort of concerns me about BC is we are all assuming the offers for Noel are terrible and that why he hasn't been moved but outside a couple of rumors which may or may not be true we have no idea what is being offered.

I'm not sure I trust BC to not bungle this. We saw with Andrea he was unable to pull the trigger. Masai came in and almost immediately traded him for a first rounder. Why didn't BC? Was that deal not available. Like I said I agree with most of the moves BC has made this offseason but they are not franchise altering with the exception of Simmons which was the consensus number one pick. This has the potential to set us back bigtime if he chooses the wrong player and/or doesn't get a good package in return. He has to get this right.

BC has passed all tests so far, but they were not huge tests. The Okafor/Noel trade will be a big part of his legacy with the Sixers. He has to get it right.

So far his moves have been about showing restraint, and being prudent.

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the_process · Post #17 » by **the_process** » Sat Sep 10, 2016 1:33 am

spikeslovechild wrote:
Ericb5 wrote:
jsa wrote:How do they "figure it out" before training camp, let alone exhibition season? Let them practice and play score doesn't count games and let Brown show he is the real deal. It will likely be quite cumbersome at times, but who cares? They can only get better with more talent.

I think that the "figure it out" part should be figured out by now. We have figured it out mostly on this site. It's just that we disagree on what we have figured out. Theoretically, BC's opinion on the Okafor/Noel debate is the only one that matters, and whichever guy he figures he wants to keep should be kept, and then the other one should be traded.

Now of course you can't make a horrible trade, and in that sense we may have to wait, but I doubt that he is still trying to determine who he wants to keep.

For me, as a prokafor, I think we should trade Noel, but I wouldn't trade him to the Celtics for Rozier and a non Net's pick, so if that is the current best offer then I'm going to hold. If we are deciding whether to take Bradley and a non Nets pick or not then I would say that the time to cut bait is now.

Agreed on all counts.

Noel makes the most sense for a variety of reasons but I'm not willing to just give him away. One of the things that sort of concerns me about BC is we are all assuming the offers for Noel are terrible and that why he hasn't been moved but outside a couple of rumors which may or may not be true we have no idea what is being offered.

I'm not sure I trust BC to not bungle this. We saw with Andrea he was unable to pull the trigger. Masai came in and almost immediately traded him for a first rounder. Why didn't BC? Was that deal not available. Like I said I agree with most of the moves BC has made this offseason but they are not franchise altering with the exception of Simmons which was the consensus number one pick. This has the potential to set us back bigtime if he chooses the wrong player and/or doesn't get a good package in return. He has to get this right.

Simmons is the foundation of this team. Embiid will join him if he can stay healthy. So basically it comes down to Bryan recognizing what you need from your C in the modern NBA, keeping that one, and then crafting a trade for the other where he gets a starting quality PG, SG, or SF plus a potentially good 1st; even if the overall deal is only 70-75¢ on the dollar.

LloydFree · Post #18 » by **LloydFree** » Sat Sep 10, 2016 1:40 am

Tony Franciosa wrote:#keepallthebigs

(at least till Embiid stays healthy for a while)

There is zero reason to keep all the bigs, regardless of Embiid's health. You don't need two insurance policies. One is enough, and if Embiid is in fact healthy, the one they keep will probably have to go too. Embiid is the only one of the 3, that is potentially a Superstar. If Embiid's hurt, having a non-defensive Center isn't going to replace him. It's going to force a harder (and more awkward) roster build, just like the one going on in Orlando. You'd be better off playing with no Center, playing small ball, than bothering with that.

spikeslovechild · Post #19 » by **spikeslovechild** » Sat Sep 10, 2016 3:33 am

oyoyer wrote:
spikeslovechild wrote:
Ericb5 wrote:

I think that the "figure it out" part should be figured out by now. We have figured it out mostly on this site. It's just that we disagree on what we have figured out. Theoretically, BC's opinion on the Okafor/Noel debate is the only one that matters, and whichever guy he figures he wants to keep should be kept, and then the other one should be traded.

Now of course you can't make a horrible trade, and in that sense we may have to wait, but I doubt that he is still trying to determine who he wants to keep.

For me, as a prokafor, I think we should trade Noel, but I wouldn't trade him to the Celtics for Rozier and a non Net's pick, so if that is the current best offer then I'm going to hold. If we are deciding whether to take Bradley and a non Nets pick or not then I would say that the time to cut bait is now.

Agreed on all counts.

Noel makes the most sense for a variety of reasons but I'm not willing to just give him away. One of the things that sort of concerns me about BC is we are all assuming the offers for Noel are terrible and that why he hasn't been moved but outside a couple of rumors which may or may not be true we have no idea what is being offered.

I'm not sure I trust BC to not bungle this. We saw with Andrea he was unable to pull the trigger. Masai came in and almost immediately traded him for a first rounder. Why didn't BC? Was that deal not available. Like I said I agree with most of the moves BC has made this offseason but they are not franchise altering with the exception of Simmons which was the consensus number one pick. This has the potential to set us back bigtime if he chooses the wrong player and/or doesn't get a good package in return. He has to get this right.

Simmons is the foundation of this team. Embiid will join him if he can stay healthy. So basically it comes down to Bryan recognizing what you need from your C in the modern NBA, keeping that one, and then crafting a trade for the other where he gets a starting quality PG, SG, or SF plus a potentially good 1st; even if the overall deal is only 70-75¢ on the dollar.

That is sort of the point though. Simmons and Embiid won't be moved. The picks because they have potential to be franchise altering talent shouldn't and won't be moved.

Noel and Okafor are really the only two players on the roster that we can realistically expect to bring significant assets back to improve the club outside the draft. So it's important to get it right. I will say if the decision is to move Noel and not extend him then it does make some sense to accept less I don't know how much 70 cents would be. Okafor case not as much because if the plan is to extend Noel then you still have Okafor on the rookie scale for three more years. At that point you if you didn't get value for him you could hold onto him and move him at a later date.

Thats why I sort of believe that the plan is move Noel. There is no reason for the amount of urgency that currently surrounds the trade if it was Okafor. It does make a ton of sense if internally you have made the decision not to extend Noel and know his contract expires at the end of the year. We will see I guess.

Ericb5 · Post #20 » by **Ericb5** » Sat Sep 10, 2016 3:40 am

oyoyer wrote:
spikeslovechild wrote:
Ericb5 wrote:

I think that the "figure it out" part should be figured out by now. We have figured it out mostly on this site. It's just that we disagree on what we have figured out. Theoretically, BC's opinion on the Okafor/Noel debate is the only one that matters, and whichever guy he figures he wants to keep should be kept, and then the other one should be traded.

Now of course you can't make a horrible trade, and in that sense we may have to wait, but I doubt that he is still trying to determine who he wants to keep.

For me, as a prokafor, I think we should trade Noel, but I wouldn't trade him to the Celtics for Rozier and a non Net's pick, so if that is the current best offer then I'm going to hold. If we are deciding whether to take Bradley and a non Nets pick or not then I would say that the time to cut bait is now.

Agreed on all counts.

Noel makes the most sense for a variety of reasons but I'm not willing to just give him away. One of the things that sort of concerns me about BC is we are all assuming the offers for Noel are terrible and that why he hasn't been moved but outside a couple of rumors which may or may not be true we have no idea what is being offered.

I'm not sure I trust BC to not bungle this. We saw with Andrea he was unable to pull the trigger. Masai came in and almost immediately traded him for a first rounder. Why didn't BC? Was that deal not available. Like I said I agree with most of the moves BC has made this offseason but they are not franchise altering with the exception of Simmons which was the consensus number one pick. This has the potential to set us back bigtime if he chooses the wrong player and/or doesn't get a good package in return. He has to get this right.

Simmons is the foundation of this team. Embiid will join him if he can stay healthy. So basically it comes down to Bryan recognizing what you need from your C in the modern NBA, keeping that one, and then crafting a trade for the other where he gets a starting quality PG, SG, or SF plus a potentially good 1st; even if the overall deal is only 70-75¢ on the dollar.

Disagree.

Embiid is the foundation of this team, if we are distilling it down to one player. He is the better player today, and the better player long term.

If he falters due to health it is great that we have a second franchise type guy in Simmons, but I take a healthy Embiid over Simmons all day. I will be happy to be proven wrong if they both stay healthy, and Simmons is the next Lebron, but my money is on Embiid.

We can't take 75 cents on the dollar for Noel or Okafor until we get to the point where we lose our leverage. We still have leverage until next summer with Noel.

Watch one of them break their leg in preseason and suddenly we end up keeping them both. Not asking for it obviously, but it would certainly free up some minutes.

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