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Mod Edit: Making this the Official Brett Brown Thread. Carry on.



I think I've been pretty fair to Brett Brown since he came here. Even at 10 wins and challenging for the worst record in NBA history(when they didn't have even close to the worst roster in NBA history IMO) I let it slide. I said I'll judge the guy when they get more talent on the court.

After seeing the team get blown out by the Hawks the other day though, I was a bit unnerved. The team better show marked improvement this season. I know Embiid and Okafor are on minutes restrictions and Simmons and Bayless are out.

So here's how I'm gonna go about this: Barring something disastrous like Bayless and Simmons missing the entire season, I want to at least get the feel like this team knows what the hell they are doing out at the court come January-Feb. If Simmons, Bayless come back and Embiid and Okafor are playing 30+ minutes a night and the Sixers are still getting blown out by a million points, turning the ball over like crazy, going on 10 game losing streaks at a time, and looking like they are playing playground ball, then time to pull the plug on Brett Brown IMO. There is absolutely no reason with a full roster playing, that this team should still be looking like slop.

I think that's pretty fair, and logically, I actually think getting another lottery pick out of this season and getting Fultz, Smith, whoever will benefit us. But after seeing how effin poorly they played vs the Hawks, I really do wonder if yes, while he was dealt a bad hand, he still can't coach a lick regardless. Because of Simmons and the minutes restrictions, that's why I'm letting the guy slide again until the new year, but again... by the end of January or February, if this team isn't playing markedly better, then I'll volunteer to drive the guy out of town.

Where are you on this?

I am far from convinced that he can actually coach. His sub patterns are horrible. When they run plays, they usually look poorly put together. Seems like the players like him, but nobody seems to get better under him. Noel regressed last year, and I'm not going to give him any credit for Biid. We all knew if he ever played, he was going to be a monster. I said at the end of last year he and Hinkie would get the boot. I don't see collars keeping him the whole year.

Wait until we lock to have the worst record.
In Brown we trust !!

He's a great people manager, the players love him. But in all his years I'm having troubles to recognize any sort of motion offense or designed plays on a regular basis. He always talks how it was to coach players like Duncan and how to implement post ups in the offense, but all I see is dumping it to the big man and run towards the other side of the court. No cuts, no off ball screens and clogged passing lanes. I'm not completely sold on his defensive schemes either, but with the personnel he had last years he gets a pass.
His in game decisions are even worse, how many times have we ranted the last couple of years about the weird rotations during crunch time, lack of playcalling and time management?

Personally I think he's more of an assistant coach. If Hinkie was here he was probably scouting every revolutionary coach in college searching for the next Brad Stevens. BC will probably hire a former coach of the Suns of Raptors.

I hate how he coached the team the last two seasons.

I'd give him a full season with Simmons and Embiid.

Kolkmania wrote:He's a great people manager, the players love him. But in all his years I'm having troubles to recognize any sort of motion offense or designed plays on a regular basis. He always talks how it was to coach players like Duncan and how to implement post ups in the offense, but all I see is dumping it to the big man and run towards the other side of the court. No cuts, no off ball screens and clogged passing lanes. I'm not completely sold on his defensive schemes either, but with the personnel he had last years he gets a pass.
His in game decisions are even worse, how many times have we ranted the last couple of years about the weird rotations during crunch time, lack of playcalling and time management?

Personally I think he's more of an assistant coach. If Hinkie was here he was probably scouting every revolutionary coach in college searching for the next Brad Stevens. BC will probably hire a former coach of the Suns of Raptors.

Wouldn't be surprised if we consider steve nash.

18 months after Simmons is healthy/playing...

The guy has no guards, and for the most part really hasn't even had a team since he's been here.

Not giving a basketball coach a PG is like not giving a football coach a QB

The biggest blow has been Simmons hurting his ankle. You can see by the style he has implemented so far this year that it was designed around Simmons getting the ball in the open court and playing fast. With no Simmons he doesn't have anyone to play that role... so he is stuck between trying to implement a system which doesn't fit the current fit players... and putting in a temporary system that will change once Simmons comes back in.

He can't be judged until he has the players he needs and wants which to me will be by the end of the year. His future basically relies on whether Simmons ankle can get him back for the last 30 games.

Simmons25 wrote:The biggest blow has been Simmons hurting his ankle. You can see by the style he has implemented so far this year that it was designed around Simmons getting the ball in the open court and playing fast. With no Simmons he doesn't have anyone to play that role... so he is stuck between trying to implement a system which doesn't fit the current fit players... and putting in a temporary system that will change once Simmons comes back in.

He can't be judged until he has the players he needs and wants which to me will be by the end of the year. His future basically relies on whether Simmons ankle can get him back for the last 30 games.

How would you describe the style he implemented that indicates it is designed around Simmons?

OleSchool wrote:The guy has no guards, and for the most part really hasn't even had a team since he's been here.

Not giving a basketball coach a PG is like not giving a football coach a QB

Well Rodriguez is an excellent playmaker, let's see how he utilizes him. So far it's Embiid/Saric/Holmes coming towards the top of the key and slip/roll/pop without any off ball movement of the other players. But it's still early in the season.

give him 3 years, even though he annoys me...it takes a while..getting the right players will also speed up the process

I say give him until we see a lineup consisting of the following: a true NBA level PG (even a 2017 pick is going to be a VAST improvement over our current PG's), Embiid and Simmons healthy on the floor for the first half of their 2nd years of development (this is how you'll see if he can help players improve their games. Not by watching the scrubs we have now, being scrubs year in and year out. You can't turn a turd into a diamond, no matter how good you are at coaching. Those 3 pieces are going to be the true mark of where this franchise is headed anyhow. And if Brown can't coach winning basketball with Simmons/Embiid healthy and in year 2, and a rookie top pick PG, then it's time to look somewhere else.

Let's be realistic. The team won't likely make a major improvement this year and BC will have Simmons, Embiid and one or two top picks in a loaded wing and PG draft to make or deal. BC can jettison Brown, who is really more assistant coach material, and bring in a much bigger name as head coach to replace him next year.

It will be anointed as a commitment to excellence or something like that, and takes the heat off of BC for a time. Book it.

one thing is that he is very player/media friendly AT ALL TIMES

i would like once for him to take disciplinary actions and make the players hold theirselves accountable.

If covington is not playing well for a stretch? bench him - make him prove (in less minutes off the bench) he is back.
if player X is not hustling on D? bench him

maybe even if hollis or someone is struggling , off the bench. cut him (FO move).... some sort of send the message move that shows the "whatever we are not even trying to win" days are over. obv. only player 14 or 15 on the roster are expendable.

lastly - if noel is still being a baby about not starting/ the minutes he gets. bench him the whole game. that would be a good message

I think he gets this entire year, and a month or two into next year. If we have a healthy Simmons, and Embiid to start next season, and we get out to a bad start then perhaps we make a change then.

Firing him mid season short of a complete mutiny would be super counter productive.

Kolkmania wrote:How would you describe the style he implemented that indicates it is designed around Simmons?

Well Rodriguez is an excellent playmaker, let's see how he utilizes him. So far it's Embiid/Saric/Holmes coming towards the top of the key and slip/roll/pop without any off ball movement of the other players. But it's still early in the season.

Generally it's been up tempo especially after a defensive rebound. Lost count of the amount of times there has been a fast break but nobody to finish it or they blow a layup or get blocked. It is made for Simmons.

I like Rodriguez but he is better served as a backup off the bench.

I think some of you guys are being way too hard on Brett. Look what he did in his first season and a half (up until MCW and KJ got traded). Lot of posters were complaining we were winning too much, and that was with guys like Hawes, Thad, ET, ect.

Look at how the team responded out of timeouts during that time. Most of the time a play was run that resulted in a basket or an open shot. Now, turnovers or bad plays.

BB's "best" offensive play since then has been TJ driving down either side of the lane, making a 90 degree cut along the baseline, cut back up the lane and pund the rock at the top of the key

Lets get him some real guards (guards that are actually NBA starters) before we go for his head

OleSchool wrote:I think some of you guys are being way too hard on Brett. Look what he did in his first season and a half (up until MCW and KJ got traded). Lot of posters were complaining we were winning too much, and that was with guys like Hawes, Thad, ET, ect.

Look at how the team responded out of timeouts during that time. Most of the time a play was run that resulted in a basket or an open shot. Now, turnovers or bad plays.

BB's "best" offensive play since then has been TJ driving down either side of the lane, making a 90 degree cut along the baseline, cut back up the lane and pund the rock at the top of the key

Lets get him some real guards (guards that are actually NBA starters) before we go for his head

I agree.

I think that he has been terrific all things considered. That doesn't mean that he is the right coach for taking us from mediocre to good necessarily, but he should have every opportunity to take us from bad to mediocre, and this is the first season where he actually has a chance to do that.

Of course, then the injuries made that not even realistic. So I give him at least a few months into next season until I consider a change, and at this point, I'm not thinking about changing him at all.

People complain about his X's and O's when he doesn't have viable players at most of the positions.

Brett should get the rest of the season. And unless he does something ridiculous like win 30 games, he should then be let go. He has clearly regressed as a coach IMO. All the losing has gotten to him.

You may not be able to make a turd a diamond, but a really good coach can make a mediocre to bad player look decent to good. See what Brad Stevens did for Evan Turner.