Is Embiids best aspect on offense his jumper?

[JoJoEmbiid]

Most people gush about his post game, which is obviously great, but I think his jumper I'd him most effective way of scoring. He's got size over everyone, along with great touch. He can shoot from all over as well, which creates other opportunities and spacing for the offense.

[Kobblehead]

Yeah, his post game is actually extremely raw and clunky. His power dribble is sloppy, he can't finish around the rim and he doesn't diagnose even obvious double team pressure until he turns it over.

[phillynative]

I'm a little surprised thought he would be more decisive inside because of his size and instincts. He's a lil more raw than I thought but he hasnt been playing alot of 5 on 5 just 1 on 1 and thats exact how he plays down there like its just him and his defender
I think he should work on a quick little drop step jumphook(offseason). Gotta lessen him putting it on the floor or facing up when there isnt a advantage.

His jumper is better than I expected his form looks strong with a soft flick of the wrist.

[dkj5061]

I'm a little surprised thought he would be more decisive inside because of his size and instincts. He's a lil more raw than I thought but he hasnt been playing alot of 5 on 5 just 1 on 1 and thats exact how he plays down there like its just him and his defender
I think he should work on a quick little drop step jumphook(offseason). Gotta lessen him putting it on the floor or facing up when there isnt a advantage.

His jumper is better than I expected his form looks strong with a soft flick of the wrist.

That is honestly the first time I've ever heard anyone say that Embiid has looked more raw than they expected him to be hahaha

[Kobblehead]

Well, when people are constantly making the Hakeem comparisons and you see clips of the dream shake as a freshman at Kansas, it's easy to get the impression that he'd be some polished post scorer.

[76ciology]

..which is good for it will make it easier for him to drive and draw fouls/defenders.

[phillynative]

I'm a little surprised thought he would be more decisive inside because of his size and instincts. He's a lil more raw than I thought but he hasnt been playing alot of 5 on 5 just 1 on 1 and thats exact how he plays down there like its just him and his defender
I think he should work on a quick little drop step jumphook(offseason). Gotta lessen him putting it on the floor or facing up when there isnt a advantage.

His jumper is better than I expected his form looks strong with a soft flick of the wrist.

That is honestly the first time I've ever heard anyone say that Embiid has looked more raw than they expected him to be hahaha

Eh you humor easily

His postgame is raw as far as awareness and shot Iq despite having some Hakeem moves in his replica. Besides that everything else for the most part looks around what I thought it would be . Especially for a young big man with such a polarizing mixture of inexperience and pure talent.

[Sportfan73]

Done with Jah. Pay Nerlens after this year. Match any offer let him get 28 mpg. 18 without Biid 10 with. Biids shooting opens the pick and roll with Nerlens.

[SelfishPlayer]

Imagine if he had real NBA guards...

[TTP]

His best aspect on offense right now is his ability to draw fouls. It's keeping his efficiency high despite a low FG%. It's not surprising as he had the highest FTr I'd ever seen when looking at college prospects at .836.*

He takes opposing bigs out of the game and gets to the line a ton, similarly to Cousins. The difference is that he shoots at a higher percentage there and has been better than Cousins was at this age.

I can't wait to see where he goes from here. He's already been navigating his teammates from the post - something you never see Okafor do. Next step is to improve his passing out of double teams and reduce some careless turnovers. The sky's the limit on his potential.

*Fun fact: The second highest college FTr I saw with .769 was...

Spoiler:

Ben Simmons

[Unbreakable99]

I want Embiid to get deeper post position. I don't know what it is with Sixers bigs but they can't establish deep post position. And the guards are awful at feeding them the ball even when they get good deep post position. What is Brett Brown doing at practice? It's not that difficult to pass the ball down low. And what is Brett Brown doing at practice when he sees Embiid doing an awful job at screening? The coach needs to ensure these bigs set proper screens. Hold them accountable when they don't set good screens.

[76ciology]

I want him to move outside the post. Post should be the last option on your offense.

I want Biid to score like Dirk and still provide elite defensive impact like Gobert on the other end.

[eagereyez]

His best aspect on offense right now is his ability to draw fouls. It's keeping his efficiency high despite a low FG%. It's not surprising as he had the highest FTr I'd ever seen when looking at college prospects at .836.*

He takes opposing bigs out of the game and gets to the line a ton, similarly to Cousins. The difference is that he shoots at a higher percentage there and has been better than Cousins was at this age.

I can't wait to see where he goes from here. He's already been navigating his teammates from the post - something you never see Okafor do. Next step is to improve his passing out of double teams and reduce some careless turnovers. The sky's the limit on his potential.

*Fun fact: The second highest college FTr I saw with .769 was...

Spoiler:

Ben Simmons

His FTr is unreal. He got to the line a ton during the pre-season as well, but I wasn't sure if it would translate to the regular season. I'm still having a difficult time accepting it. Embiid's FTr so far is at .586 (not including tonight's game). For comparison, Harden's career average is .541. Joel is getting to the line at a Shaq-like rate, and knocking them down at an 80% clip.

[dorkestra]

Well, when people are constantly making the Hakeem comparisons and you see clips of the dream shake as a freshman at Kansas, it's easy to get the impression that he'd be some polished post scorer.

I guess if you only watched a few clips and were completely unaware of his past. Taking context into consideration, I find it hard to believe someone would be disappointed at where his post game is at right now. It's pretty incredible.

[phillynative]

Well, when people are constantly making the Hakeem comparisons and you see clips of the dream shake as a freshman at Kansas, it's easy to get the impression that he'd be some polished post scorer.

I guess if you only watched a few clips and were completely unaware of his past. Taking context into consideration, I find it hard to believe someone would be disappointed at where his post game is at right now. It's pretty incredible.

Is that an exaggeration and if not how so? If heturns the ball over a lot , takes tough shots and misses open teammates a lot down there. Of course he will improve with experience but I wouldn't call his post game incredible right now

[bedjawII]

I'm a little surprised thought he would be more decisive inside because of his size and instincts. He's a lil more raw than I thought but he hasnt been playing alot of 5 on 5 just 1 on 1 and thats exact how he plays down there like its just him and his defender
I think he should work on a quick little drop step jumphook(offseason). Gotta lessen him putting it on the floor or facing up when there isnt a advantage.

His jumper is better than I expected his form looks strong with a soft flick of the wrist.

That is honestly the first time I've ever heard anyone say that Embiid has looked more raw than they expected him to be hahaha

Eh you humor easily

His postgame is raw as far as awareness and shot Iq despite having some Hakeem moves in his replica. Besides that everything else for the most part looks around what I thought it would be . Especially for a young big man with such a polarizing mixture of inexperience and pure talent.

Nah. People been saying it but maybe not directly. When the talk about his turnovers. Most of his TOs are just bad decisions or not recognizing what's happening. His jumper is what allows us to see his potential but as soon as he unlocks his post game...OMG. He will follow LBJ as the best player in the NBA.

[Unbreakable99]

I want him to move outside the post. Post should be the last option on your offense.

I want Biid to score like Dirk and still provide elite defensive impact like Gobert on the other end.

False. If you had Shaq you wouldn't want him getting the ball in the post and going through him? If you had Duncan you wouldn't want him in the post and going through him? You don't tell Embiid to just camp outside and then say just use the post as a last resort. That's ridiculous. Embiid draws a lot of fouls in the post. He will get better touch around the rim. You don't want Embiid just outside 15 feet all game. I don't get people who don't want him down low. That makes no sense. He's huge and he can make those shots while also putting players in foul situations. Embiid has a wide arsenal of offense so he should play outside as well but he needs to establish deep post position and play down low a good amount of time.

[BarkleyFan]

One problem he has is when he is run off the 3 point line. He is too far away to get all the way to the basket and doesn't feel comfortable yet pulling up off the dribble to shoot the mid range jumpshot.

Another issue is it seems like he has to create everything himself (like Okafor had to last year). When Covington found Embiid at the end of the game for a layup, it reminded me of how few easy shots our perimeter players get for the bigs.

[76ciology]

I want him to move outside the post. Post should be the last option on your offense.

I want Biid to score like Dirk and still provide elite defensive impact like Gobert on the other end.

False. If you had Shaq you wouldn't want him getting the ball in the post and going through him? If you had Duncan you wouldn't want him in the post and going through him? You don't tell Embiid to just camp outside and then say just use the post as a last resort. That's ridiculous. Embiid draws a lot of fouls in the post. He will get better touch around the rim. You don't want Embiid just outside 15 feet all game. I don't get people who don't want him down low. That makes no sense. He's huge and he can make those shots while also putting players in foul situations. Embiid has a wide arsenal of offense so he should play outside as well but he needs to establish deep post position and play down low a good amount of time.

Look at most of the +impact players on offense. These guys are perimeter/drive/pass oriented. Post offense is inefficient because the pass going to the post, passing off the post and the shot is heavily challenged and difficult.

Yeah, getting that shot against Lavoy Allen was legendary. But let's not forget that Gobert pretty much shut down Biid at the post.

Biid is unstoppable at the face-up game.


Biid is 7'2 and is a good shooter so defenders would need to stay close at him where he can attack off close outs. That leads to higher % of FT rate (defender is off position vs defender at post) and generating open looks for teammates.

We RARELY able to generate good looks at the post. Most of our good looks is generated off drives. Embiid at stationary position with defenders coming from everywhere is the common reason for those TOs.

And even if Biid is off the ball. We can hurt teams that love to anchor their D with their C by him being on top of the key. Watch how it forces Seraphin to stay at the perimeter that allowed Stauskas to drive to the paint.

[bedjawII]

I want him to move outside the post. Post should be the last option on your offense.

I want Biid to score like Dirk and still provide elite defensive impact like Gobert on the other end.

False. If you had Shaq you wouldn't want him getting the ball in the post and going through him? If you had Duncan you wouldn't want him in the post and going through him? You don't tell Embiid to just camp outside and then say just use the post as a last resort. That's ridiculous. Embiid draws a lot of fouls in the post. He will get better touch around the rim. You don't want Embiid just outside 15 feet all game. I don't get people who don't want him down low. That makes no sense. He's huge and he can make those shots while also putting players in foul situations. Embiid has a wide arsenal of offense so he should play outside as well but he needs to establish deep post position and play down low a good amount of time.

Look at most of the +impact players on offense. These guys are perimeter/drive/pass oriented. Post offense is inefficient because the pass going to the post, passing off the post and the shot is heavily challenged and difficult.

Yeah, getting that shot against Lavoy Allen was legendary. But let's not forget that Gobert pretty much shut down Biid at the post.

Biid is unstoppable at the face-up game.


Biid is 7'2 and is a good shooter so defenders would need to stay close at him where he can attack off close outs. That leads to higher % of FT rate (defender is off position vs defender at post) and generating open looks for teammates.

We RARELY able to generate good looks at the post. Most of our good looks is generated off drives. Embiid at stationary position with defenders coming from everywhere is the common reason for those TOs.

And even if Biid is off the ball. We can hurt teams that love to anchor their D with their C by him being on top of the key. Watch how it forces Seraphin to stay at the perimeter that allowed Stauskas to drive to the paint.

Sorry dude but you are wrong. The reason so many impact players are perimeter because dominating post players are harder to find. Working the post is and always will be a better offensive option. Forget it's a much closer shot but it also draws fouls. If perimeter play was so much more important then why do we get hung up on rim protection. It's not to defend the 3pt line.