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I don't think there is any reason to be concerned with Simmons or his ability to score during his rookie season. For the most part, he blew by anyone guarding him and got to the rim at will. Where he missed a bunch of bunnies. He was a 75% finisher at LSU. He hasn't played basketball in a long time. He's going to get game reps and regain his ability to finish. No worries there.
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I was pleasantly surprised with Fultz's suddenness and quickness. He looked like he got to most of the spots he wanted to last night. I don't think the talk of his jumper or form is worth the energy. I think it's obvious that he possesses shooting skill, and he'll refine and establish it as he continues to develop as a professional. The main thing that is important right now is that he's able to score off of his physical ability and athleticism. Which was a mild concern, coming out of the draft.
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Simmons' free throw shooting is my main concern with him right now. If he's unable to make teams pay from the line then it seriously limits his effectiveness.
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Similar to finishing, I think establishing touch at the free throw line in the flow of a game is just something you acquire from live game reps. I don't think you can hone that in a practice or empty gym setting.
I don't think Simmons will be a good free throw shooter, but he should be passable for a PF. Probably in the upper 60s to lower 70s percentile.
I think what we see right now are symptoms of a player being off the court for such a long time. I don't see anything that warrants longterm concern. I wouldn't be surprised if these things fix themselves through the first 4-6 weeks of the season.
I don't think Simmons will be a good free throw shooter, but he should be passable for a PF. Probably in the upper 60s to lower 70s percentile.
I think what we see right now are symptoms of a player being off the court for such a long time. I don't see anything that warrants longterm concern. I wouldn't be surprised if these things fix themselves through the first 4-6 weeks of the season.
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Kobblehead wrote:I was pleasantly surprised with Fultz's suddenness and quickness. He looked like he got to most of the spots he wanted to last night. I don't think the talk of his jumper or form is worth the energy. I think it's obvious that he possesses shooting skill, and he'll refine and establish it as he continues to develop as a professional. The main thing that is important right now is that he's able to score off of his physical ability and athleticism. Which was a mild concern, coming out of the draft.
I'll tell you what, for all the concerns about his athleticism, he beat his man off the dribble quite a few times last night.
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Kobblehead wrote:Similar to finishing, I think establishing touch at the free throw line in the flow of a game is just something you acquire from live game reps. I don't think you can hone that in a practice or empty gym setting.
I don't think Simmons will be a good free throw shooter, but he should be passable for a PF. Probably in the upper 60s to lower 70s percentile.
I think what we see right now are symptoms of a player being off the court for such a long time. I don't see anything that warrants longterm concern. I wouldn't be surprised if these things fix themselves through the first 4-6 weeks of the season.
Simmons posted on Instagram he's ready to grab this upcoming season by the throat and that the new him would have killed the old him on the court. He said it would be a scary sight. I guess he didn't actually say who it would be scary for lol. His shooting form makes it scary for Sixers fans not the opposition . He had a whole season to work on his foul shots. It's not even that he's missing. It's that his form is awful. He doesn't even bend his knees. If you're going to miss then at least miss with good form. Every shooting coach should be fired on the Sixers. Reporters should also be interviewing Ben asking what's up with his poor foul shots.
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ankle420breaker wrote:Simmons' free throw shooting is my main concern with him right now. If he's unable to make teams pay from the line then it seriously limits his effectiveness.
He shot 67% in college. That's perfectly fine for a big man.
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If Simmons finishes at 70% and shoots 60% from the free throw line (probable and realistic benchmarks), he'll be a mid-to-high volume scorer in year 1. And that's without even attempting to establish a jumper. Guys with his size and athleticism are just too hard to guard.
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Guess that might depend on what you mean by 'productive' (pure production or being, like, good) but everyone should expect Redick and Cov to be better players than Fultz this year. That's a no brainer. Both those guys are consistently plus players and one and done guys are almost never that.TTP wrote:Yet I was mocked for suggesting that Covington and Redick would almost certainly be more productive players than Fultz this year and possibly, maybe even probably, more productive than Simmons. Rookie expectations are way too high.AI_Efficiency wrote:Every article I read previewing the Sixers season talked about how Simmons and Fultz will be below average players their first seasons. And that is perfectly normal. Like I said the other day, lots of star guards, including Lowry, Westbrook, Rose, DWill, etc. all took awhile to come around. Rookies who play guard spots are never projected to be plus players their first seasons. If people on this board aren’t ready for Simmons and Fultz to be below average nba players this first year, then the expectations need to be adjusted.
snoopdogg88 wrote:He's also a year older than most of his draft class so he should be more advanced
This wasn't right then and it's still not right--Simmons is roughly the same age as 75% of the one-and-done 1st rounders from his draft class (J Brown, J Murray, Skal, M Richardson, D Davis, D Murray). He's only significantly older than Ingram (who was super young) and Bender and Chriss (both super raw). Just as we clarified a million times last year, he's a little older for his class but he's definitely not 'a year older.' NBA prospects tend to play back a year if possible, so guys born in the summer will generally classify later (hence 7 of the top 9 one-and-dones taken this year are already 20 or will be very soon).
Also to your larger point: if you don't play for a whole year against your new competition, you don't gain any useful experience. If I went to Spain for a year but didn't speak any Spanish, I'm not more fluent just from existing in that country. Not sure how you expected he would improve things like adjusting his angles to the basket against NBA defense or finishing against NBA size if he couldn't play NBA competition.
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Unbreakable99 wrote:Kobblehead wrote:Similar to finishing, I think establishing touch at the free throw line in the flow of a game is just something you acquire from live game reps. I don't think you can hone that in a practice or empty gym setting.
I don't think Simmons will be a good free throw shooter, but he should be passable for a PF. Probably in the upper 60s to lower 70s percentile.
I think what we see right now are symptoms of a player being off the court for such a long time. I don't see anything that warrants longterm concern. I wouldn't be surprised if these things fix themselves through the first 4-6 weeks of the season.
Simmons posted on Instagram he's ready to grab this upcoming season by the throat and that the new him would have killed the old him on the court. He said it would be a scary sight. I guess he didn't actually say who it would be scary for lol. His shooting form makes it scary for Sixers fans not the opposition . He had a whole season to work on his foul shots. It's not even that he's missing. It's that his form is awful. He doesn't even bend his knees. If you're going to miss then at least miss with good form. Every shooting coach should be fired on the Sixers. Reporters should also be interviewing Ben asking what's up with his poor foul shots.
Simmons did shoot 77% from the free throw line in High school... so it's not like he has never shot well. I remember his HS coach saying that with Ben he can struggle at times from the FT line but when it came to making clutch FT's it always seemed like he shot 100%.
As for now... good shooting coaches say you should never try and fix multiple things at once... and Simmons had quite a few things to fix.
He has definitely fixed the position of the ball at release... it is no longer on top of or behind his head when he brings it back... massive improvement. Like you said though... his knees do not bend at all and that is not good. In 12 months you think they had more than enough time to introduce that fix as well and it appears not.
It makes me wonder whether the shooting coach really does know what he is doing.
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Negrodamus wrote:Kobblehead wrote:I was pleasantly surprised with Fultz's suddenness and quickness. He looked like he got to most of the spots he wanted to last night. I don't think the talk of his jumper or form is worth the energy. I think it's obvious that he possesses shooting skill, and he'll refine and establish it as he continues to develop as a professional. The main thing that is important right now is that he's able to score off of his physical ability and athleticism. Which was a mild concern, coming out of the draft.
I'll tell you what, for all the concerns about his athleticism, he beat his man off the dribble quite a few times last night.
To be fair look who it was against, he'll see a lot better talent than guys like Shane Larkin and Jabari Bird in the regular season, I mean a couple of those the defense totally broke down and he had a free lane to the basket, the same with Ben. The issues I'm seeing is he's becoming a little predictable with the spin move, Smart read it easily and took the ball away from him a couple times. In college he kept defenders guessing more with shot jumpers and quick passes. Last night he had twice as many turnovers than assists and he didn't even share the floor with Simmons. Seems like things that should be correctable as the season goes on, as a big Fultz guy though I'm surprised with some of the issues he's having.
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Patsfan1081 wrote:Negrodamus wrote:Kobblehead wrote:I was pleasantly surprised with Fultz's suddenness and quickness. He looked like he got to most of the spots he wanted to last night. I don't think the talk of his jumper or form is worth the energy. I think it's obvious that he possesses shooting skill, and he'll refine and establish it as he continues to develop as a professional. The main thing that is important right now is that he's able to score off of his physical ability and athleticism. Which was a mild concern, coming out of the draft.
I'll tell you what, for all the concerns about his athleticism, he beat his man off the dribble quite a few times last night.
To be fair look who it was against, he'll see a lot better talent than guys like Shane Larkin and Jabari Bird in the regular season, I mean a couple of those the defense totally broke down and he had a free lane to the basket, the same with Ben. The issues I'm seeing is he's becoming a little predictable with the spin move, Smart read it easily and took the ball away from him a couple times. In college he kept defenders guessing more with shot jumpers and quick passes. Last night he had twice as many turnovers than assists and he didn't even share the floor with Simmons. Seems like things that should be correctable as the season goes on, as a big Fultz guy though I'm surprised with some of the issues he's having.
I’m shocked someone thinks his spin is becoming predictable. Just shocked.
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Simmons25 wrote:Scarletfire81 wrote:I came in here because I knew there would be mention of Tommy Heinsohn, the celtics announcer. If you are a Celtics fan you love him but he is a hardcore homer.
LOL a homer is one thing... but this guy is a dropkick. Surely as a Celtics fan you couldn't even love him.
Bumping this because of this.
Tommy Heinson played in Boston in college..I think..and he's a HOF in the NBA. Played his career for the Celtics, then coached. His entire life revolves around this team.
That said, as a Celtics fan, he is SUCH a homer. I find him unbearable and usually watch national broadcasts when they are on. His "oh boy", and "THAT WAS A TERRIBLE CALL"S are unbearable. You can even hear Mike Gorman sigh at times.
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Jaqua92 wrote:Simmons25 wrote:Scarletfire81 wrote:I came in here because I knew there would be mention of Tommy Heinsohn, the celtics announcer. If you are a Celtics fan you love him but he is a hardcore homer.
LOL a homer is one thing... but this guy is a dropkick. Surely as a Celtics fan you couldn't even love him.
Bumping this because of this.
Tommy Heinson played in Boston in college..I think..and he's a HOF in the NBA. Played his career for the Celtics, then coached. His entire life revolves around this team.
That said, as a Celtics fan, he is SUCH a homer. I find him unbearable and usually watch national broadcasts when they are on. His "oh boy", and "THAT WAS A TERRIBLE CALL"S are unbearable. You can even hear Mike Gorman sigh at times.
I don’t mind the homerism. A homer is someone that roots for the home team. Heinson’s problem is that he is a complainer, and doesn’t look at the game fairly. He is allowed to root for an outcome, but he isn’t allowed to always think that the Celtics player got fouled.
When I watch Eagles games, and a play is under review, I badly want it to go in the Eagles’ favor, but if it is a fumble then it is a fumble. If the second foot was out of bounds then it was out of bounds. I can watch the replay with objective eyes.
Heinson never thinks that a play should go against the Celtics, and that is brutally annoying to listen to all the time.
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another year of bad basketball. One day philly will rise up
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OzCastiel wrote:another year of bad basketball. One day philly will rise up
What are you talking about, cuz?