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Welcome Zhaire Smith 

Post#1 » by tsmith » Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:16 am

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Post#2 » by Ericb5 » Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:17 am

That’s an unprotected pick, right?

If true then this is awesome.


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Post#3 » by KL78192020 » Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:17 am

Pulling a Hinkie move getting those picks.
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Post#4 » by JojoSlimbiid » Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:18 am

This is awkward but damn....kind of a master stroke.
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Post#5 » by MountainDrew » Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:18 am

Awesome, just fantastic trade!

Welcome Zhaire! Can't wait to see how this all pans out
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Post#6 » by PLO » Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:19 am

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Post#7 » by Green_teamer » Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:21 am

Man you guys did the Bridges family dirty lol
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Post#8 » by cksdayoff » Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:22 am

who?
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Post#9 » by Hardcore6erFan » Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:22 am

This is so dirty to the Bridges family but it's worth it. Total Hinkie move I love it.
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Post#10 » by nickbman » Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:23 am

great trade. hinkie is smiling
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Post#11 » by JojoSlimbiid » Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:25 am

I'm sad man.....this is so messed up. An unprotected pick for a treadmill team that will probably be bad for awhile sounds good though. We'll see.
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Post#12 » by Sportfan73 » Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:27 am

That pick is going for Kawhi. This was our way of evening it up with BOS in negotiations with the SAC pick. Now we also have an unprotected future first to offer b


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Post#13 » by the_process » Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:27 am

I don’t know... I hate Smith though. He’s so developmental. I question whether he will ever have offensive value. Bridges is plug and play on both ends with room for some growth.

I’m going to look at it this way: if you had told me before the draft that the Sixers were trading 10 for 16 and the 2021 MIA 1st I’d have been satisfied.
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Post#14 » by Stanford » Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:29 am

This is so cool. I'm so proud of our GM squad.
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Post#15 » by 76ciology » Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:29 am

Got a feeling before the draft that he's our guy.

His number shows he's got the potential to be a two way high impact player. Thus BB's comparison to Kawhi.

He was asked for try out for the second time, tells me they were intrigued with him.

He has upside with shooting stroke/mechanics add that to his elite D and elite athleticism.

My biggest fear was him becoming KJ McDaniel 2.0


https://deanondraft.com/2018/06/06/zhaire-smith-has-plutonium-in-his-calves/
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Zhaire Smith is one of the most unique prospects in the draft. He came out of nowhere to perform as one of the best freshmen in the NCAA in spite of being a 3* recruit. Let’s dive into his profile to estimate what to expect from him as a pro.

Profile

In spite of his 6’4″ height, he played like a power forward, using his nuclear athleticism to finish powerful dunks on cuts and putbacks. He also showcased his defensive potential by leading the #4 NCAA defense in both steals and blocks, and showed solid instincts for a young athletic freak.

He is limited offensively, as his shot and handle are a work in progress. But his 1.8 assists vs 1.1 turnovers indicates good feel for the game. While he has a slow release on his shot, his form is good and his 72% FT conveys decent shooting potential for an 18 year old.

The main concern is that he is a 6’4″ guard who showed limited ability to handle and create his own shot, and teams will be afraid of using a high lottery pick on his archetype.

Physical Comps:

Here are the recent prospects who have the most similar dimensions, athleticism, and NCAA statistical production to Zhaire.

Height Length Weight
Westbrook 6’3.5 6’7.75 192
Mitchell 6’3 6’10 211
Oladipo 6’4.25 6’9.25 213
Zhaire 6’4 6’9.75 199
LaVine 6’5.75 6’8.25 181
Shumpert 6’5.5 6’9.5 222
There’s a case to be made that Zhaire has the best physical profile of the bunch. He’s in the same tier of athleticism as Westbrook and LaVine but with better size. And the > 200 pound guys are all ~2 years older, he will likely weigh a similar amount by then and is likely more athletic than any of them.

Granted, athleticism is tricky to measure. There is no numerical way to pin it down, and it comes in various forms– first step, one foot leaping, two foot leaping, quickness, body control, etc. But to my eye Zhaire has special athleticism for two reasons

It frequently appears he may hit his head on the rim when dunking
He has elite body control to complement his elite explosiveness
The linked highlights are of impossible dunks that I cannot recall another player approximating. Zhaire has an uncanny ability to get way up while controlling his body to be able to smoothly finish from awkward positions.

But He Can’t Dribble!

UCLA vs Chico State. We won by a lot. Like 93 - 51.

To demonstrate how his handling ability compares to other players at the same age, I combined synergy iso and PnR handler stats into possessions used per 40 minutes and points per possession. And for a frame of reference, I threw in 2017’s elite scoring prospects to show how much top lead guard prospects normally produce as NCAA freshmen (and young sophomore Westbrook):

Age Poss/40 PPP
DSJ 19.1 10.3 0.85
Fultz 18.6 10.0 0.95
Fox 19.0 8.8 0.88
Mitchell 19.3 3.8 0.73
LaVine 18.8 3.1 0.61
RWB 19.1 2.4 0.72
VO 18.7 2.0 0.86
Zhaire 18.6 1.8 0.64
Shump 18.5 5.5 0.58
Zhaire has the lowest volume of this group and lower efficiency than everybody but LaVine and Shumpert. But his physical comps were all in the same tier of non-scorer at the same age, as you can see relative to the actual scoring prospects who crush the raw athlete wings in both volume and efficiency.

Westbrook set the record for highest single season NBA usage rate with above average efficiency. Oladipo scored 23 points/game in 17-18 with above average efficiency. Mitchell scored 24 pts/game in the playoffs as a rookie. LaVine went from worst player in the NBA as a rookie to solidly efficient scorer in his 3rd season.

Beyond the numbers, DraftExpress expressed doubt about the limited ball handling of both Victor Oladipo and Russell Westbrook.

The point is clear– a limited handle at a young age does not limit NBA scoring upside for a nuclear athlete with good basketball IQ and combo guard dimensions.

Zhaire is slightly behind his peers at this stage, but he is nevertheless showed flashes of impressive creation ability and easily roasted Mo Bamba twice. Perhaps he does not share the same creation success as the aforementioned comps, but he has enough baseline ability to build on.

So How Good Will Zhaire Be?

It is important to note that I did not try to cherrypick the most successful NBA players for this comparison. Shumpert and LaVine were my best attempts at comps that did not wildly succeed as pros, and they are both above median mid-1st round picks. And LaVine was clearly well below the group statistically as an NCAA player.

The intersection of elite athleticism and NCAA statistical production rarely fails, and often yields a high upside. It’s hard to find a truly pessimistic comp.

The only catch is that Zhaire is stylistically different than these comps. He was the tallest player on his high school team and often played center, which explains why he slid through the cracks as a recruit. This reflects in his Texas Tech performance where he played more like a garbageman PF than a guard.

Who Does He Actually Play Like?

Zhaire is statistically most similar to a pair of 4″ taller players: freshman Otto Porter and junior Jimmy Butler. Per 100 possession stats:

Age PTS 2P% 3PA FT% AST TOV
Otto 18.6 20.7 61.1 3.4 0.702 3.3 2.4
Zhaire 18.6 23.2 57.4 2.2 0.717 3.7 2.3
Jimmy 20.3 26.6 53.4 1.7 0.766 3.6 2.1
The similarities are uncanny as the offensive output is nearly identical. Jimmy did a bit more than the other two being older, but it worth noting I chose his best NCAA season as he slightly regressed as a senior.

STL BLK TRB
Otto 2.4 1.7 14.5
Zhaire 2.3 2.3 10.3
Jimmy 2.4 1.1 11.5
Otto + Jimmy show their superior size with better rebound rates, but Zhaire shows his superior athleticism with a better block rate.

Efficiency translates well to the NBA when it comes with the necessary physical tools to succeed. Even though Zhaire is 4″ shorter, his athleticism, length, and strength should make up for it.

Bottom Line

Zhaire is a weird prospect. He plays like a hybrid of Otto Porter and Jimmy Butler in Russell Westbrook’s body. I am not sure what that will amount to in the NBA, but I would bet it is good and it might be really awesome.

Of course this is looking at him through a rose colored lens that assumes he will develop reasonably well. If his shot, handle, and defensive instincts do not develop well, he could be an awkward role player who is not particularly useful. But the same can be said for any prospect who isn’t a #1 overall candidate.

History tells when things go well for nuclear athletes, they tend to go extremely well. Zhaire already made teams pay for sleeping on him as a recruit, now the same may happen in the draft as ESPN currently projects him to go 16th overall. I rate him as an obvious top 10 prospect in the draft with a strong case for top 5.


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Zhaire played as a big when he was young, thus he never developed his guard skill.

I expect him to be a near perfect 1-3 two man partner for Ben as a roll man or a guy who can pop out and shoot 3s. While providing great D

Great article on smith
https://www.thestepien.com/2018/06/04/trying-figure-zhaire-smith/

So either a high impact role player or a high upside potential star player.
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Post#16 » by the_process » Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:31 am

Sportfan73 wrote:That pick is going for Kawhi. This was our way of evening it up with BOS in negotiations with the SAC pick. Now we also have an unprotected future first to offer


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move for Kawhi and try to talk him into staying.

So what are they giving up: Covington, Bayless, 26, 2021 MIA 1st?
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Post#17 » by nrok10307 » Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:31 am

Best part is that the sixers obviously loved Smith and the trade was contingent on him being there.

But im sure the sixers would have been super happy with Mikal, but since Smith was available the pulled the trigger and got the miami pick. This was textbook negotiation 101
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Post#18 » by PLO » Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:32 am

That f1 guy on the money again with Zhaire, posted here earlier today he was one of three we were really interested in.
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Post#19 » by nitocobola » Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:35 am

PLO wrote:That f1 guy on the money again with Zhaire, posted here earlier today he was one of three we were really interested in.

who were the others?
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Post#20 » by PLO » Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:37 am

nitocobola wrote:
PLO wrote:That f1 guy on the money again with Zhaire, posted here earlier today he was one of three we were really interested in.

who were the others?


Mikal and Knox. So basically we selected two of the guys he said the 76ers were interested in and the other one wasn't on the board. 200% strike rate. :D
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