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the_process wrote:

Eyeamok wrote:

the_process wrote:Maxey should definitely be ahead of Shake in the rotation now.

definitely. . Right now Shake is shook. He needs to find a way to get back his mojo.

It is insane the amount of shook players that come through here. It’s a damn curse!

I'm glad to see that Shake lost the shook last night. He was absolutely crucial to the win. Getting good Shake could mean the difference between the 2nd round and the Finals.

We absolutely need Shake to have a impact off the bench to get past the hawks.

That bomb at the end of the third looked good as soon as it left Snipa Shake's hands. Gave us a 7 point lead going into the fourth. Absolutely a momentum shift with the Hawks keeping it close.

the_process wrote:

the_process wrote:

Eyeamok wrote:
definitely. . Right now Shake is shook. He needs to find a way to get back his mojo.

It is insane the amount of shook players that come through here. It’s a damn curse!

I'm glad to see that Shake lost the shook last night. He was absolutely crucial to the win. Getting good Shake could mean the difference between the 2nd round and the Finals.

I'm not a Shake hater because I want all things good to come to the 76ers and their players. I too hope he is no longer shook but I will reserve my outward excitement, hoping he has turned this corner. And you are right we need him. The Hawks scouted Maxey and they know what he likes to do and are taking away his drives.

Shake good or bad is still our best threat off the bench when our offense like clockwork becomes anemic. Yes he is onball dominant to be effective but ride the hot hand. He plays well with Harris/Ben and Embiid but gets lost when all three are on the court together because the usage goes down, it doesn’t help sometimes because he has shown to sulk.

Try a small ball center lineup with Ben at the 5 with Harris plus Milton, Green, Hill that could work out very well for portions at a time. 4 shooters, three pseudo ballhandlers a lot of space to operate. Can do the same thing with Curry. Milton/Embiid plus shooters can work.

It’s always been about staggering lineups. Also matchup dependency plays a key here. Find which lineup works well and go to town on it and bank it in. Hawks are small, Nets aren’t big either.

Green/Hill make Korkmaz more negligible and Thybulle needs big offensive prowess to keep the offense flowing.

Maxey is too green and not good enough as a creator, and Hill is more of a smaller portion type.

I really don't think Ben creates enough of an advantage on offense as a five to give up what those lineups would in shots at the rim and offensive rebounds.

Stanford wrote:I really don't think Ben creates enough of an advantage on offense as a five to give up what those lineups would in shots at the rim and offensive rebounds.

If its Capela out or sitting I would try it Harris + Simmons it should work okay. But it’s dependent of course. Howard + Simmons should be used sparingly.

DCasey91 wrote:Shake good or bad is still our best threat off the bench when our offense like clockwork becomes anemic. Yes he is onball dominant to be effective but ride the hot hand. He plays well with Harris/Ben and Embiid but gets lost when all three are on the court together because the usage goes down, it doesn’t help sometimes because he has shown to sulk.

Try a small ball center lineup with Ben at the 5 with Harris plus Milton, Green, Hill that could work out very well for portions at a time. 4 shooters, three pseudo ballhandlers a lot of space to operate. Can do the same thing with Curry. Milton/Embiid plus shooters can work.

It’s always been about staggering lineups. Also matchup dependency plays a key here. Find which lineup works well and go to town on it and bank it in. Hawks are small, Nets aren’t big either.

Green/Hill make Korkmaz more negligible and Thybulle needs big offensive prowess to keep the offense flowing.

Maxey is too green and not good enough as a creator, and Hill is more of a smaller portion type.

What's interesting is that over the last three games, you have a loss and two games that would've been far closer on the scoreboard had either Maxey or Milton not come in and lit it up and functioned like a traditional point guard who can shoot and penetrate off the dribble.

I think we need to trade shake.

If we can find a better scorer in return for shake, i think we can be competitive next season.

Retain starting unit.

Have Maxey, better scorer than shake, Thybulle Tobi and drummond carry the second unit.

End games with Maxey in the place of Seth.

76ciology wrote:I think we need to trade shake.

If we can find a better scorer in return for shake, i think we can be competitive next season.

Retain starting unit.

Have Maxey, better scorer than shake, Thybulle Tobi and drummond carry the second unit.

End games with Maxey in the place of Seth.

What better scorer is available in trade for him? In theory it sounds good… I just can’t put any names there. I think we would have had to sold him for a super late 1st early second this year to try to grab an upside scorer.

I still like shake. Heck, I’d probably consider starting him over Curry this year to add some more punch to our bench unit.

If Shake tried to create less and be a legitimate unconscious catch and shooter, that can put the ball on the floor when he needs to, he'd be much more valuable to this team. He has a stupid quick release and has deep range. He is not a lead guard, and he needs to stop trying to play like one.

Foshan wrote:

76ciology wrote:I think we need to trade shake.

If we can find a better scorer in return for shake, i think we can be competitive next season.

Retain starting unit.

Have Maxey, better scorer than shake, Thybulle Tobi and drummond carry the second unit.

End games with Maxey in the place of Seth.

What better scorer is available in trade for him? In theory it sounds good… I just can’t put any names there. I think we would have had to sold him for a super late 1st early second this year to try to grab an upside scorer.

I still like shake. Heck, I’d probably consider starting him over Curry this year to add some more punch to our bench unit.

Maybe someone like Jalen Brunson or TJ Warren (if healthy). Not much of an upgrade but more of a consistent one. Other guys are Harrison Barnes, Rozier and Hield but im not sure if it can work capwise.

Another option is Milton and Reed for Coby White and pick swap option. Reed is a good back-up for Vuc. While White is more of a redundant now that Lonzo is there. White has a higher upside as a scorer than Milton. Similar package maybe available for a Dejounte Murray trade.

If Blazers decides to rebuild, milton for Norman Powell.

Milton for Dilon Brooks?

With his cheap contract is not easy get a good trade unless is a player with a rookie contract or a trade with other big contracts.

Lou_23 wrote:With his cheap contract is not easy get a good trade unless is a player with a rookie contract or a trade with other big contracts.

Cheap contracts are such a pain in the ass

76ciology wrote:

Lou_23 wrote:With his cheap contract is not easy get a good trade unless is a player with a rookie contract or a trade with other big contracts.

Cheap contracts are such a pain in the ass

A "back up unit" with

Maxey
Milton (in currys role)
Thybulle/Korkmaz /Green
Harris
Drummond

Is something that could work. I think Milton gives us a lot of skills we need. With the emerge of maxey, he should focus more on shooting than creating and that could benefit us and him.

You could also put him in the starting line up instead of curry, especially when there's a scoring guard traded for simmons. But it should also work with Ben. He just should not be responsible to carry the second unit.

We will absorb Rondo into our tpe and then send Milton as the incentive would be my I hope not but maybe guess.

I'm not the biggest Shake guy in the world but I hope we don't trade him. I think the elevation of Maxey as a ballhandler will put Shake in the role that he's best suited for. High volume catch and shoot, attack closeouts, passable defense.

stormi wrote:If Shake tried to create less and be a legitimate unconscious catch and shooter, that can put the ball on the floor when he needs to, he'd be much more valuable to this team. He has a stupid quick release and has deep range. He is not a lead guard, and he needs to stop trying to play like one.

If that’s his role, I think Joe is better in virtually every aspect. I think Shake only has value to this roster if you allow him to create a little.

blargh wrote:

stormi wrote:If Shake tried to create less and be a legitimate unconscious catch and shooter, that can put the ball on the floor when he needs to, he'd be much more valuable to this team. He has a stupid quick release and has deep range. He is not a lead guard, and he needs to stop trying to play like one.

If that’s his role, I think Joe is better in virtually every aspect. I think Shake only has value to this roster if you allow him to create a little.

You always need more than one ballhander, he is better in a secondary ballhander role