Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread

Kobblehead · Post #201 » by **Kobblehead** » Thu Apr 18, 2019 5:58 pm

XtremeDunkz wrote:Booker will be a career empty stats player just like KAT.

You mean another future hall of famer who people have unfairly decided to expect to carry a franchise to success while being on their rookie contracts?

These guys are 2-3 years away from being in the correct age range to judge their ability to carry a team. Which is their mid-20s and beyond.

You guys realize that all the MVP candidates and all-NBA players on top seeds are in their late 20s and early 30s, right (with one or two exceptions)?

LloydFree · Post #202 » by **LloydFree** » Thu Apr 18, 2019 6:03 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Charlotte is a sub-20 win roster that has been carried to an average of 39 wins per season over the last 4 year stretch of Kemba's breakout. Their actual roster has been terrible for years. What Kemba has done to even get them to flirt with the playoffs is nothing short of amazing.

He deserves a plaque for winning 48 games in 2016 with Nic Batum as his running mate. Someone who would be the 4th, 5th or 6th best player on almost any other playoff team that year.

Whether or not Kemba Walker deserves a plaque or not that's not really the point. The point is the idea that the 76ers offense is the problem is false or at least hugely over-rated. The 76ers not being able to defend is the issue.

XtremeDunkz · Post #203 » by **XtremeDunkz** » Thu Apr 18, 2019 6:08 pm

Kobblehead wrote:
XtremeDunkz wrote:Booker will be a career empty stats player just like KAT.

You mean another future hall of famer who people have unfairly decided to expect to carry a franchise to success while being on their rookie contracts?

These guys are 2-3 years away from being in the correct age range to judge their ability to carry a team. Which is their mid-20s and beyond.

You guys realize that all the MVP candidates and all-NBA players on top seeds are in their late 20s and early 30s, right (with one or two exceptions)?

Agree to disagree lol.

VDT · Post #204 » by **VDT** » Thu Apr 18, 2019 6:11 pm

Are people seriously discussing paying a 6 feet point guard a max contract in his 30s?

Kobblehead · Post #205 » by **Kobblehead** » Thu Apr 18, 2019 6:15 pm

LloydFree wrote:Whether or not Kemba Walker deserves a plaque or not that's not really the point. The point is the idea that the 76ers offense is the problem is false or at least hugely over-rated. The 76ers not being able to defend is the issue.

The Sixers have a handful of problems. Offensive synergy is surely one of them. The Sixers' defensive problems are largely system-related. We had just as many if not more terrible defenders in our rotation last year under Lloyd Pierce and we were a significantly better defensive team.

Kobblehead · Post #206 » by **Kobblehead** » Thu Apr 18, 2019 6:16 pm

VDT wrote:Are people seriously discussing paying a 6 feet point guard a max contract in his 30s?

As an alternative to paying an even longer contract to an even older player who plays like a relic from the early 2000s? Yup.

LloydFree · Post #207 » by **LloydFree** » Thu Apr 18, 2019 6:16 pm

VDT wrote:Are people seriously discussing paying a 6 feet point guard a max contract in his 30s?

I'm not. It shouldn't even be a discussion.

LloydFree · Post #208 » by **LloydFree** » Thu Apr 18, 2019 6:34 pm

Kobblehead wrote:
LloydFree wrote:Whether or not Kemba Walker deserves a plaque or not that's not really the point. The point is the idea that the 76ers offense is the problem is false or at least hugely over-rated. The 76ers not being able to defend is the issue.

The Sixers have a handful of problems. Offensive synergy is surely one of them. The Sixers' defensive problems are largely system-related. We had just as many if not more terrible defenders in our rotation last year under Lloyd Pierce and we were a significantly better defensive team.

I'm sure Lloyd Pierce's departure has a big part in the defensive fall-off. I'm also sure a bigger part is not having Covington or any other personnel that can stay in front of opposing guards.

Kobblehead · Post #209 » by **Kobblehead** » Thu Apr 18, 2019 6:38 pm

Was Covington really solving that problem as much as we're remembering him doing?

I remember us constantly complaining in game threads about him getting cooked whenever we had to play him out of position to defend them.

LloydFree · Post #210 » by **LloydFree** » Thu Apr 18, 2019 6:56 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Was Covington really solving that problem as much as we're remembering him doing?

I remember us constantly complaining in game threads about him getting cooked whenever we had to play him out of position to defend them.

I don't really know if that was a topic of game threads. But then again I don't read all of them. My recollection is that even last year, the 76ers always struggled against scoring guards and when Brett inevitably got tired of watching us get smoked, he'd switch Covington on to the point guard to get the stops they needed.

Kobblehead · Post #211 » by **Kobblehead** » Thu Apr 18, 2019 6:59 pm

I'd assume that Jimmy Butler is far better suited to defend scoring guards than the relatively slow-footed Robert Covington. Personally, I think our defensive woes lean more on the discrepancy between Pierce and Williams in terms of coaching ability.

Bum Adebayo · Post #212 » by **Bum Adebayo** » Thu Apr 18, 2019 7:01 pm

XtremeDunkz wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:
XtremeDunkz wrote:Booker will be a career empty stats player just like KAT.

You mean another future hall of famer who people have unfairly decided to expect to carry a franchise to success while being on their rookie contracts?

These guys are 2-3 years away from being in the correct age range to judge their ability to carry a team. Which is their mid-20s and beyond.

You guys realize that all the MVP candidates and all-NBA players on top seeds are in their late 20s and early 30s, right (with one or two exceptions)?

Agree to disagree lol.

They are both career losers that only care about stats and don't give a **** about defense. But they're coveted in this new age NBA, which creates artificial rules to boost mediocre players stats.

Kobblehead · Post #213 » by **Kobblehead** » Thu Apr 18, 2019 7:06 pm

Chris Paul and Mike Conley are career losers. Prided themselves on giving defensive effort.

Steph Curry and Kyrie Irving are NBA champions. Couldn't give a **** about playing defense.

Negrodamus · Post #214 » by **Negrodamus** » Thu Apr 18, 2019 7:08 pm

I think there's more of an existential NBA fan problem here rather than a desire to win in the modern NBA.

PhillyPhilly · Post #215 » by **PhillyPhilly** » Thu Apr 18, 2019 7:11 pm

Kobblehead wrote:I'd assume that Jimmy Butler is far better suited to defend scoring guards than the relatively slow-footed Robert Covington. Personally, I think our defensive woes lean more on the discrepancy between Pierce and Williams in terms of coaching ability.

How good was Atlanta's defense this season?

Bum Adebayo · Post #216 » by **Bum Adebayo** » Thu Apr 18, 2019 7:12 pm

Curry cares about defense, he just doesn't have the tools to be great. Kyrie won because of Lebron, we saw how bad he was leading Cavs without Lebron. We saw how good Celtics did last year in playoffs without him. Kyrie is a great player to the untrained eye and to the casuals, ratings go through the roofs when he plays.

Kobblehead · Post #217 » by **Kobblehead** » Thu Apr 18, 2019 7:20 pm

Bum Adebayo wrote:Curry cares about defense, he just doesn't have the tools to be great. Kyrie won because of Lebron, we saw how bad he was leading Cavs without Lebron.

Steph dosn't care about defense. He literally avoids any assignment he can. Forcing Klay to defend guys he's supposed to. He just camps out on guys that can't dribble and reaches into passing lanes.

And again lol, why are we judging the ability of a 19-22 year old player to carry a dysfunctional franchise? Kyrie would have gotten the Cavs to the playoffs in due time. Probably by 2016, if I had to approximate.

Also, who made that go-ahead three with less than a minute left in Game 7 to end a 4 minute scoreless streak for the Cavs? That was Kyrie, bro. If it wasn't for Kyrie, LeBron would only have those two rings with Wade and the narrative of his career would be even more marred.

LloydFree · Post #218 » by **LloydFree** » Thu Apr 18, 2019 10:42 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Chris Paul and Mike Conley are career losers. Prided themselves on giving defensive effort.

Steph Curry and Kyrie Irving are NBA champions. Couldn't give a **** about playing defense.

You're better than this post.

Kobblehead · Post #219 » by **Kobblehead** » Thu Apr 18, 2019 11:25 pm

LloydFree wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:Chris Paul and Mike Conley are career losers. Prided themselves on giving defensive effort.

Steph Curry and Kyrie Irving are NBA champions. Couldn't give a **** about playing defense.

You're better than this post.

Might be a potshot, but it's the truth. Chris Paul, Mike Conley and Jrue Holiday are all defensive guards and they haven't won ****. Let's not pretend that it's some prerequisite for being a winning player.

LloydFree · Post #220 » by **LloydFree** » Thu Apr 18, 2019 11:42 pm

Kobblehead wrote:
LloydFree wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:Chris Paul and Mike Conley are career losers. Prided themselves on giving defensive effort.

Steph Curry and Kyrie Irving are NBA champions. Couldn't give a **** about playing defense.

You're better than this post.

Might be a potshot, but it's the truth. Chris Paul, Mike Conley and Jrue Holiday are all defensive guards and they haven't won ****. Let's not pretend that it's some prerequisite for being a winning player.

No it means they haven't played with LeBron James or Kevin Durant. This is the 1st season Kyrie Irving has even played in one (1) playoff game without LeBron James, and he's an 8 year veteran. Get out of here with that.