The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part III

[Eyeamok]

Novel idea: construct a roster & system that suits them both

That's kinda impossible

It's always impossible until it is done.

[rzzzzz]

really liked how much Ben went to his right, using his naturally dominant hand. hope he starts spending more time developing this. (though no complaints about the free throws.)

[LloydFree]

The problem regarding building a team with Embiid and Simmons isn't that difficult to solve.
The 76ers need to make sure they have 3 players who will willingly catch-and-shoot as long as Embiid and Simmons are here. And they need someone who can both guard the perimeter and hit perimeter shots.

Butler has to go. I don't care how they do it, whether it's through sign-and-trade, or signing someone else into his Caphold, he's the one that has to be sacrificed. Even last night in a win I saw Jimmy Butler catch the ball wide open on the perimeter and he either hesitated before shooting (and missing) or tried to dribble into a mid-range shot. He clogs the offense nearly as much as Simmons. They aren't trading Embiid, and everybody knows it. And they'd be stupid to trade a 22 year old, 6'10 PG, to fit in a 30 year old who is clearly on the decline.

[eagereyez]

If we can get Kawhi or AD in return, you wouldnt trade him?

I'll take my chances with a twenty two year old stud with court vision, an already highly developed defensive game, a work ethic who plays for the team (not stats).

You guys are convinced he will never improve his jump shot, that he is a finished product at 22. I don't see it that way.

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Ben may or may not improve his jumper.

Sixers will be a much better team if we get Kahwi or AD in return for Ben.

Biid’s load management is like Duncan in his final years. I’m not going to put all my eggs with the developmemt of Ben’s shooting

Kawhi yes
AD no

An AD/Embiid pairing will just replicate all the problems AD and Cousins had. When Cousins went down, the Pelicans actually started winning more. Embiid is better than Cousins, but the core issue will still be there. He and AD will get in each other's way. They both operate under the arc and in the paint 80% of the time.

Looking at the last two ball-dominant centers to lead a team to the finals, what did they each have in common? They were both surrounded by 4 shooters. Shaq had Fisher, Kobe, Fox, and Horry. Dwight had Alston, Lee, Turkoglu, and Lewis. And this was before the space and pace trend took place.

If Embiid is the piece the Sixers choose to build around, then they need to surround him with complementary pieces. The Sixers will need to pick between him and Simmons if Simmons never develops a jumper. If not, then they will always be paddling up a river, moving against NBA trends in which teams are going 4 and 5 out. And those trends are the result of rule changes - they are the natural result of the way the game is currently structured. It is not a fad that will disappear anytime soon, unless there are more rule changes.

[ProcessDoctor]

The problem regarding building a team with Embiid and Simmons isn't that difficult to solve.
The 76ers need to make sure they have 3 players who will willingly catch-and-shoot as long as Embiid and Simmons are here. And they need someone who can both guard the perimeter and hit perimeter shots.

Butler has to go. I don't care how they do it, whether it's through sign-and-trade, or signing someone else into his Caphold, he's the one that has to be sacrificed. Even last night in a win I saw Jimmy Butler catch the ball wide open on the perimeter and he either hesitated before shooting (and missing) or tried to dribble into a mid-range shot. He clogs the offense nearly as much as Simmons. They aren't trading Embiid, and everybody knows it. And they'd be stupid to trade a 22 year old, 6'10 PG, to fit in a 30 year old who is clearly on the decline.

A sign-and-trade isn't a bad idea. Who do you trade him for though? We'll need a closer back IMO.

[LloydFree]

The problem regarding building a team with Embiid and Simmons isn't that difficult to solve.
The 76ers need to make sure they have 3 players who will willingly catch-and-shoot as long as Embiid and Simmons are here. And they need someone who can both guard the perimeter and hit perimeter shots.

Butler has to go. I don't care how they do it, whether it's through sign-and-trade, or signing someone else into his Caphold, he's the one that has to be sacrificed. Even last night in a win I saw Jimmy Butler catch the ball wide open on the perimeter and he either hesitated before shooting (and missing) or tried to dribble into a mid-range shot. He clogs the offense nearly as much as Simmons. They aren't trading Embiid, and everybody knows it. And they'd be stupid to trade a 22 year old, 6'10 PG, to fit in a 30 year old who is clearly on the decline.

A sign-and-trade isn't a bad idea. Who do you trade him for though? We'll need a closer back IMO.

I don't think they'll have the opportunity to sign-and-trade Butler because there are so many teams with CAP space. I think he goes to Brooklyn, Dallas or the Lakers. But if a sign and trade came available, I'd want Josh Richardson (and Olynyk as salary filler).

But I don't think that kind of deal is necessary. Butler's Caphold is large enough to sign a replacement out-right. I think there are a bunch of guys that can be picked up to approximate the role that the 76ers are asking Butler to play for 3/4th's of every game.

[PhillyPhilly]

The problem regarding building a team with Embiid and Simmons isn't that difficult to solve.
The 76ers need to make sure they have 3 players who will willingly catch-and-shoot as long as Embiid and Simmons are here. And they need someone who can both guard the perimeter and hit perimeter shots.

Butler has to go. I don't care how they do it, whether it's through sign-and-trade, or signing someone else into his Caphold, he's the one that has to be sacrificed. Even last night in a win I saw Jimmy Butler catch the ball wide open on the perimeter and he either hesitated before shooting (and missing) or tried to dribble into a mid-range shot. He clogs the offense nearly as much as Simmons. They aren't trading Embiid, and everybody knows it. And they'd be stupid to trade a 22 year old, 6'10 PG, to fit in a 30 year old who is clearly on the decline.

SMH why does there always have to be a scapegoat? The other day folks were calling for Simmons to be traded, now Ben shut them up the Jimmy hate has started again? Don't yall ever get tired? Our best five has played together a grand total of TWELVE TIMES!!!.. so any notion about who "has to go" is simply BS because we've not seen the true potential of this side yet. And again why the hell are you so concerned about his age? He's 29 right now and is younger than Curry, Chris Paul, Durant etc, so what's the problem? Also wasn't he our second top scorer this season and won us games on his own late? And yall are STILL moaning?

So let me ask you, who replaces Jimmy if he leaves? Because that's a question none of yall "Jimmy out" guys can seem to answer.

[sixers hoops]

The problem regarding building a team with Embiid and Simmons isn't that difficult to solve.
The 76ers need to make sure they have 3 players who will willingly catch-and-shoot as long as Embiid and Simmons are here. And they need someone who can both guard the perimeter and hit perimeter shots.

Butler has to go. I don't care how they do it, whether it's through sign-and-trade, or signing someone else into his Caphold, he's the one that has to be sacrificed. Even last night in a win I saw Jimmy Butler catch the ball wide open on the perimeter and he either hesitated before shooting (and missing) or tried to dribble into a mid-range shot. He clogs the offense nearly as much as Simmons. They aren't trading Embiid, and everybody knows it. And they'd be stupid to trade a 22 year old, 6'10 PG, to fit in a 30 year old who is clearly on the decline.

SMH why does there always have to be a scapegoat? The other day folks were calling for Simmons to be traded, now Ben shut them up the Jimmy hate has started again? Don't yall ever get tired? Our best five has played together a grand total of TWELVE TIMES!!!.. so any notion about who "has to go" is simply BS because we've not seen the true potential of this side yet. And again why the hell are you so concerned about his age? He's 29 right now and is younger than Curry, Chris Paul, Durant etc, so what's the problem? Also wasn't he our second top scorer this season and won us games on his own late? And yall are STILL moaning?

So let me ask you, who replaces Jimmy if he leaves? Because that's a question none of yall "Jimmy out" guys can seem to answer.

1) he did answer who is Jimmy’s replacement. He suggested Brogdon or Richardson.

2) he has been saying this for months. Jimmy is not a scapegoat after one game. We are just trying to objectively evaluate our team.

3) there is data that shows players with significant injuries in their 20’s often have worse injuries in their 30’s. Important to take into consideration.

If you think we are on a path for a championship with our current roster, then you are likely in the minority. It’s important to objectively evaluate your own team, or you’ll end up with a team that’s not fun to evaluate.

[ProcessDoctor]

The problem regarding building a team with Embiid and Simmons isn't that difficult to solve.
The 76ers need to make sure they have 3 players who will willingly catch-and-shoot as long as Embiid and Simmons are here. And they need someone who can both guard the perimeter and hit perimeter shots.

Butler has to go. I don't care how they do it, whether it's through sign-and-trade, or signing someone else into his Caphold, he's the one that has to be sacrificed. Even last night in a win I saw Jimmy Butler catch the ball wide open on the perimeter and he either hesitated before shooting (and missing) or tried to dribble into a mid-range shot. He clogs the offense nearly as much as Simmons. They aren't trading Embiid, and everybody knows it. And they'd be stupid to trade a 22 year old, 6'10 PG, to fit in a 30 year old who is clearly on the decline.

A sign-and-trade isn't a bad idea. Who do you trade him for though? We'll need a closer back IMO.

I don't think they'll have the opportunity to sign-and-trade Butler because there are so many teams with CAP space. I think he goes to Brooklyn, Dallas or the Lakers. But if a sign and trade came available, I'd want Josh Richardson (and Olynyk as salary filler).

But I don't think that kind of deal is necessary. Butler's Caphold is large enough to sign a replacement out-right. I think there are a bunch of guys that can be picked up to approximate the role that the 76ers are asking Butler to play for 3/4th's of every game.

Letting Butler walk and signing role players is a tough pill to swallow, especially considering we'd lose the flexibility to go over the cap to retain most of our squad.

While Jimmy's not a perfect fit, I think it's still better to have him than go back to specialists like RoCo/Dario. I think we'd be left begging for a perimeter closer again.

[moistie]

If we can get Kawhi or AD in return, you wouldnt trade him?

I'll take my chances with a twenty two year old stud with court vision, an already highly developed defensive game, a work ethic who plays for the team (not stats).

You guys are convinced he will never improve his jump shot, that he is a finished product at 22. I don't see it that way.

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Ben may or may not improve his jumper.

Sixers will be a much better team if we get Kahwi or AD in return for Ben.

Biid’s load management is like Duncan in his final years. I’m not going to put all my eggs with the developmemt of Ben’s shooting

So you would trade away a generational talent because you don't believe he will develop a jump shot but you are willing to gamble on Embiid's knees. And the player you trade will be a potential loaner, so you value Ben so little you are willing to give him away and have nothing in return a year down the track.

Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you have got until it's gone.

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[PhillyPhilly]

in their 30’s. Important to take into consideration.

If you think we are on a path for a championship with our current roster, then you are likely in the minority. It’s important to objectively evaluate your own team, or you’ll end up with a team that’s not fun to evaluate.

Last warning for calling people naive, stupid, crazy, delusional, etc - SH

[kuclas]

Embiid looks to be out again tomorrow. As much as I love embiid as the franchise cornerstone. He’s just simply too unreliable injury wise.

Like someone suggested before. Maybe a trade with Minnesota for KAT straight up may work out for both teams. KAT isn’t gonna to win with the way the timberwolves are constructed.

Embiid has injury protection clauses in his contract for any team trading for him.

It may be a win win for both franchises. Minnesota will get the better (but more unreliable player). But sixers get a more reliable player. But if embiid ever gets and stays healthy. Minnesota will be contending for a title with embiid. Who knows he may knock some common sense into Andrew Wiggins his college teammate.

[cool93]

Embiid looks to be out again tomorrow. As much as I love embiid as the franchise cornerstone. He’s just simply too unreliable injury wise.

Like someone suggested before. Maybe a trade with Minnesota for KAT straight up may work out for both teams. KAT isn’t gonna to win with the way the timberwolves are constructed.

Embiid has injury protection clauses in his contract for any team trading for him.

It may be a win win for both franchises. Minnesota will get the better (but more unreliable player). But sixers get a more reliable player. But if embiid ever gets and stays healthy. Minnesota will be contending for a title with embiid. Who knows he may knock some common sense into Andrew Wiggins his college teammate.

Stop this nonsence. No one in their right mind is trading Embiid for that softy.

[phillynative]

Embiid looks to be out again tomorrow. As much as I love embiid as the franchise cornerstone. He’s just simply too unreliable injury wise.

Like someone suggested before. Maybe a trade with Minnesota for KAT straight up may work out for both teams. KAT isn’t gonna to win with the way the timberwolves are constructed.

Embiid has injury protection clauses in his contract for any team trading for him.

It may be a win win for both franchises. Minnesota will get the better (but more unreliable player). But sixers get a more reliable player. But if embiid ever gets and stays healthy. Minnesota will be contending for a title with embiid. Who knows he may knock some common sense into Andrew Wiggins his college teammate.

Yes let's trade our best player who is dominant big man on both ends for a big man who doesnt defend but can shoot the ball a little better. Just because you want to space the floor to build a team around Ben.

Our ceiling is much higher with Embiid with Ben being able to knock down a open shot here and there. Do we really want a frontcourt of Tobias and Kat defensively

[ProcessDoctor]

Embiid looks to be out again tomorrow. As much as I love embiid as the franchise cornerstone. He’s just simply too unreliable injury wise.

Like someone suggested before. Maybe a trade with Minnesota for KAT straight up may work out for both teams. KAT isn’t gonna to win with the way the timberwolves are constructed.

Embiid has injury protection clauses in his contract for any team trading for him.

It may be a win win for both franchises. Minnesota will get the better (but more unreliable player). But sixers get a more reliable player. But if embiid ever gets and stays healthy. Minnesota will be contending for a title with embiid. Who knows he may knock some common sense into Andrew Wiggins his college teammate.

We'd be lucky if Minnesota even entertained this offer. The moment we put Embiid on the block is the moment we announce he's damaged goods.

[Bum Adebayo]

It is 100% offense 0% defense, this is the new NBA. Towns generates beter offense than Embiid, and defense doesn't matter, trading Embiid for Towns makes us much better. And more importantly can shoot dem 3s!

[kuclas]

It’s more about embiid availability than towns.

We need a starting 5. Boban can only give u 15 min and he can be run off the floor. Bolden is still raw and not physical enough against true 5s.

We need a 5 starting level caliber player. Even if they don’t provide great defense.

[eyeatoma]

Jeezuz here we go again with this bull. Let's see how Simmons performs against elite teams before annointing him the great one. Embiid has tendonitis, maybe something a little worse. It would be malpractice and a pr nightmare of the highest order if they let him play with anything worse, or didn't get it treated. He'll be fine this summer, then we'll reload. Better management of his minutes and back to back is needed next year. The only player I'd even consider trading Embiid for is Giannis (and we all know that's not happening).

[downtownpie]

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[blargh]

The problem regarding building a team with Embiid and Simmons isn't that difficult to solve.
The 76ers need to make sure they have 3 players who will willingly catch-and-shoot as long as Embiid and Simmons are here. And they need someone who can both guard the perimeter and hit perimeter shots.
.

This is essentially our team from last year, and what we learned was we were really short on shot creation come playoff time. Hence the Butler trade. I’m not totally convinced that he’s worth the long term contract, but solving this problem is not simple.