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Stanford wrote:There's no irony hidden behind any of my selections.

And, while it's true that I didnt watch any Washington games this year, the ultimate truth is that I didnt watch games involving any college basketball team. Because they stink.

Not sure you know what a hipster is, Lloyd.

some folks who watch a lot of college basketball for a lot of years have liked matisse thybulle since scouting dejounte murray. and like him for the same reasons one would've considered dejounte a hidden lottery pick: defense. like with dedric lawson, its a wonder he's stayed in school this whole time, in my opinion.

Fischella wrote:

Kolkmania wrote:I just don't see it with Cameron Johnson. Sure he's long, but he avoids contact as much as possible, which effectively makes him a SG. However he doesn't have the feet to defend those guys, so no idea what he does on defense. Offensively he can hit threes of pindowns and standstill shots, but he's never been a guy who punishes hard closeouts or shoot threes while running. Pass.

He could be a +2 guy on offense and you can scheme around him on defense to hide him okay, that's the allure, worst case he is a really good bench shooter

Sure, guys who can shoot are valuable on offense. However, to a certain extent. Johnson's shooting is overrated imo. 40% from three and 82% from the line is great, but not Redick/Korver/McDermott-esque. His shots itself are not extremely versatile as well, he's good off screens but I haven't seen many off-balanced threes (perhaps I just caught the wrong games).

Shooters are supposedly safe picks, but imo you have to be able to shoot while you're running sideways (with respect to the basket) or attack a closeout efficiently (pull-up from midrange and/or attack the basket). If that's not the case you have to be a good defender, otherwise you're out of the league within a couple of years.

I fear that's the case with Cameron Johnson.

Johnson is a stud shooter, like a real stud, his synergy page is gold everywhere, he is good off-balance too

I agree overall, I don't think Johnson has a position per se on D, other than guarding the worst perimeter player of the other team, but he can pass some, and is a good overall player even if he has clear limitations, dunno, he is a real stud shooter though, like as good as you might get late 1st in any draft, I am fine with him in the 25-40 range anywhere

Wait, why would you scheme to hide a role player on defense? We're doing that with Redick right now and it's losing us important games.

Negrodamus wrote:Wait, why would you scheme to hide a role player on defense? We're doing that with Redick right now and it's losing us important games.

There’s going to be 9/10 players in our rotation...expecting all of them to be good 2 way players is unrealistic in a salary cap league. Youre going to have “specialists” that fill a role doing 1 thing very well. JJ has 1, maybe 2, solid years left in him. It’s not a bad idea to think about his replacement now. Besides, it’s not like Johnson is tiny or a horrible athlete, not crazy to think that he could potentially develop into an adequate defender with coaching and experience.

With all that said...I wouldn’t take Cam Johnson at 24. Would be extremely happy with him at 34. Doubt that happens tho

PhillyFan11 wrote:

Negrodamus wrote:Wait, why would you scheme to hide a role player on defense? We're doing that with Redick right now and it's losing us important games.

There’s going to be 9/10 players in our rotation...expecting all of them to be good 2 way players is unrealistic in a salary cap league. Youre going to have “specialists” that fill a role doing 1 thing very well. JJ has 1, maybe 2, solid years left in him. It’s not a bad idea to think about his replacement now. Besides, it’s not like Johnson is tiny or a horrible athlete, not crazy to think that he could potentially develop into an adequate defender with coaching and experience.

With all that said...I wouldn’t take Cam Johnson at 24. Would be extremely happy with him at 34. Doubt that happens tho

I don't think they all have to be good 2 way players, but it would help immensely if the player we need to be three point shooters were passable on defense. I think you have to bring something special to the table on offense for you to be schemed for on defense. Cam doesn't provide that.

Negrodamus wrote:

PhillyFan11 wrote:

Negrodamus wrote:Wait, why would you scheme to hide a role player on defense? We're doing that with Redick right now and it's losing us important games.

There’s going to be 9/10 players in our rotation...expecting all of them to be good 2 way players is unrealistic in a salary cap league. Youre going to have “specialists” that fill a role doing 1 thing very well. JJ has 1, maybe 2, solid years left in him. It’s not a bad idea to think about his replacement now. Besides, it’s not like Johnson is tiny or a horrible athlete, not crazy to think that he could potentially develop into an adequate defender with coaching and experience.

With all that said...I wouldn’t take Cam Johnson at 24. Would be extremely happy with him at 34. Doubt that happens tho

I don't think they all have to be good 2 way players, but it would help immensely if the player we need to be three point shooters were passable on defense. I think you have to bring something special to the table on offense for you to be schemed for on defense. Cam doesn't provide that.

Of course it would be great to have a guy that does both well, but we are picking late and likely will gave limited cap flexibility.
My thinking is that we already drafted Zhaire for his D...a player that can shoot and play a different role off the bench would be helpful. Only so many mins to go around...

But we can also agree to disagree on Johnson....I think you’ll be hard pressed to find a purer shooter.

PhillyFan11 wrote:

Negrodamus wrote:

PhillyFan11 wrote:
There’s going to be 9/10 players in our rotation...expecting all of them to be good 2 way players is unrealistic in a salary cap league. Youre going to have “specialists” that fill a role doing 1 thing very well. JJ has 1, maybe 2, solid years left in him. It’s not a bad idea to think about his replacement now. Besides, it’s not like Johnson is tiny or a horrible athlete, not crazy to think that he could potentially develop into an adequate defender with coaching and experience.

With all that said...I wouldn’t take Cam Johnson at 24. Would be extremely happy with him at 34. Doubt that happens tho

I don't think they all have to be good 2 way players, but it would help immensely if the player we need to be three point shooters were passable on defense. I think you have to bring something special to the table on offense for you to be schemed for on defense. Cam doesn't provide that.

Of course it would be great to have a guy that does both well, but we are picking late and likely will gave limited cap flexibility.
My thinking is that we already drafted Zhaire for his D...a player that can shoot and play a different role off the bench would be helpful. Only so many mins to go around...

But we can also agree to disagree on Johnson....I think you’ll be hard pressed to find a purer shooter.

That's fine, I just don't subscribe to using a first round pick (or any pick for that matter) on a player that does just one thing well. You can find that in free agency, in all likelihood. Also, pure shooters rarely come into their own on their first team. I think it would be a waste of a pick, to be honest.

Negrodamus wrote:

PhillyFan11 wrote:

Negrodamus wrote:
I don't think they all have to be good 2 way players, but it would help immensely if the player we need to be three point shooters were passable on defense. I think you have to bring something special to the table on offense for you to be schemed for on defense. Cam doesn't provide that.

Of course it would be great to have a guy that does both well, but we are picking late and likely will gave limited cap flexibility.
My thinking is that we already drafted Zhaire for his D...a player that can shoot and play a different role off the bench would be helpful. Only so many mins to go around...

But we can also agree to disagree on Johnson....I think you’ll be hard pressed to find a purer shooter.

That's fine, I just don't subscribe to using a first round pick (or any pick for that matter) on a player that does just one thing well. You can find that in free agency, in all likelihood. Also, pure shooters rarely come into their own on their first team. I think it would be a waste of a pick, to be honest.

I’m softer than you on this, but I just think to take a guy like this, you better be confident the guy’s one skill is borderline elite.

Like I don’t think there’s that much of a difference between Landry Shamet and RJ Hunter at the NBA level other than that Landry can actually get open and shoot the crap out of the ball at this level and Hunter was just pretty good.

Yeah Landry has some ball handling potential but who knows if that ever manifests itself in the league and he’s a good prospect even if it doesn’t.

I don't know, he just screams of a guy who won't last in the league. He's definitely not a first rounder in my opinion and I wouldn't take him over a lot of the projected undrafted guys who I'm interested in.

Again, when it comes to drafting, I try to think of who he is on one of the conference finals teams. Rodney Hood, who is on his third team in five years (and came out as a freshman)? Pat Connaughton (also not on his first team)? I'd rather swing for the fences on someone else than get a guy who might have an 8th man off the bench upside.

the fact that dude would seemingly die on the floor every single UNC game i caught last year has me shook

I don't really like anyone at 24. NAW or bust. If he slips to 18-20 range use 24 and 33 and a future 2nd if it gets it done. Otherwise trade the pick for a future 1 if possible.

If we have to take someone at 24, then Kabengale if he's still around or Dylan Windler. I think I'm driving the Windler bandwagon at this point. Don't want to use a 1st on him and he might be a reach but I don't know if he makes it past the 27-31 range (Nets, Warriors, Spurs, Bucks, Nets). He's the shooter I want.

This feels like a year where we take Thybulle or Cam Johnson at 24, then a couple of shooters (Windler/Edwards) and bigs (Kabengale/Fernando/Gafford) get taken and we get stuck with Dort or Grant Williams at 33. Ugh.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/c1qrxf/charania_several_nba_executives_selecting_near/

Kevin Porter viewed as a top 10 pick?

I guess that's the second time we've had Bazley in. Interesting.

MambaJuice wrote:I don't really like anyone at 24. NAW or bust. If he slips to 18-20 range use 24 and 33 and a future 2nd if it gets it done. Otherwise trade the pick for a future 1 if possible.

If we have to take someone at 24, then Kabengale if he's still around or Dylan Windler. I think I'm driving the Windler bandwagon at this point. Don't want to use a 1st on him and he might be a reach but I don't know if he makes it past the 27-31 range (Nets, Warriors, Spurs, Bucks, Nets). He's the shooter I want.

This feels like a year where we take Thybulle or Cam Johnson at 24, then a couple of shooters (Windler/Edwards) and bigs (Kabengale/Fernando/Gafford) get taken and we get stuck with Dort or Grant Williams at 33. Ugh.

I wouldnt mind any of those 3 bigs.

Negrodamus wrote:I don't know, he just screams of a guy who won't last in the league. He's definitely not a first rounder in my opinion and I wouldn't take him over a lot of the projected undrafted guys who I'm interested in.

Just curious, but how many guys have a 1st round grade for you? I'm having a very hard time finding 20 guys who look like clear 1st rounders to me.

ZarcMumoff wrote:

Negrodamus wrote:I don't know, he just screams of a guy who won't last in the league. He's definitely not a first rounder in my opinion and I wouldn't take him over a lot of the projected undrafted guys who I'm interested in.

Just curious, but how many guys have a 1st round grade for you? I'm having a very hard time finding 20 guys who look like clear 1st rounders to me.

Hmm, I haven't really looked at the draft from that perspective before. It's tough to say, really. There are some players who fall short of certain aspects of their game, statistically, and should be going back to school for another year to refine and fill the holes in their game. This draft has a lot of that. So there are plenty of prospects in this draft where teams are banking on them progressing their game much further than what they showed in college and filling the holes in their game. I have said I liked KZ Okpala, but he is simply not ready for the NBA right now. I could see him working on his game and eventually becoming a first round grade, but not this year. There's a lot of that in this draft (Dort, THT, Little, etc).

phillynative wrote:

MambaJuice wrote:I don't really like anyone at 24. NAW or bust. If he slips to 18-20 range use 24 and 33 and a future 2nd if it gets it done. Otherwise trade the pick for a future 1 if possible.

If we have to take someone at 24, then Kabengale if he's still around or Dylan Windler. I think I'm driving the Windler bandwagon at this point. Don't want to use a 1st on him and he might be a reach but I don't know if he makes it past the 27-31 range (Nets, Warriors, Spurs, Bucks, Nets). He's the shooter I want.

This feels like a year where we take Thybulle or Cam Johnson at 24, then a couple of shooters (Windler/Edwards) and bigs (Kabengale/Fernando/Gafford) get taken and we get stuck with Dort or Grant Williams at 33. Ugh.

I wouldnt mind any of those 3 bigs.

I wouldn't mind them either, I'm just worried there will be a run on bigs between our picks.

I really liked Bazely coming out of high school. Can really handle the rock but with wing size. I'm always with that. Wonder if he got any stronger?