PhillyFan11 wrote:Negrodamus wrote:I guess another question I have is does he ever really shut anyone down? Last year, I'm going through the notable teams he played again and it seems like a few drafted stars were able to put up pretty decent games. He got absolutely exposed against UNC. NAW had a massive game against UW. Louis King and KZ Okpala had two very solid performances (and two duds). Tres Tinkle had two very solid offensive outings.
Now I'm not saying it's his fault, but when you play zone, does one excuse the massive performances from the opposing stars while applauding his games where they shut down a star? I'm not sure. I posted a highlight tape of Kerwin Roach in the other thread where you can see the direct result of his defense against NBA stars due to man to man matchups. Those are results I can legitimately keep under consideration for how he'll be as a defender at the next level.
Just something to think about.
So based off of your YouTube scouting you’ve deemed that a guy the entire nba deemed undraftable (Roach) is a more impactful defender than the reigning defensive player of the year and consensus top 25 pick?
And because a player played zone for 2 of 4 years in college you think he isn’t a good man defender? Despite the fact that he has all the requisite skills, athleticism and length to do so?
Just trying to make sure I’m reading this correctly
I'm not sure why I'm even responded due to the contentiousness of this, and your previous posts, towards a civil post critiquing Thybulle, but I'll do it anyway.
If your argument is that he played in man to man defense his first two years, it's pretty flimsy. He was DRtg was horrendous his freshman year and somehow got even worse his sophomore year (probably because he didn't have Dejounte Murray and Marquise Criss helping him). But the thing is, he wasn't even strictly in man to man those years. They had to switch to a 2-3 zone because they were getting bludgeoned too much on defense. Those teams went 19-15 and 9-22 respectfully.
Comparatively, Brandon Clarke was on one of the worst teams in D-I basketball in San Jose State and put up exceptional defensive numbers in his first year starting. Even had the back to back 4 win SJSU at a near 500 record. Still maintained great defensive advanced stats.
So yes, I think what Kerwin Roach did on Texas was more impressive. The foundation of your argument on multiple threads has strangely been about my competency compared to NBA teams. Is Robert Covington really a better defender than Otto Porter? How can you compare an undrafted SF to the third overall pick? Is Draymond really a better defender than Michael Kidd Gilchrist?
How frequently do teams have to botch their picks till you understand that many front offices have their heads up their asses.