Welcome Matisse Thybulle!

FireMorey · Post #661 » by **FireMorey** » Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:22 pm

Said it in another thread, but he's a perfect sell high candidate in the summer. Teams really like him. They always insist on him in deals. The Nets liked him so much they required two 1st rounders in place of him in the Harden deal. A good GM cashes out on an asset when it's at its peak. I think Thybulle's is. And I think once he gets into 26, 27 and teams realize his offensive game hasn't evolved, his value will decline.

I think Thybulle + some other stuff(salary filly, 2nd rounders) could bring back a nice piece for the Sixers in the summer. A solid starter or very high level backup.

I think the Sixers would be wise to cash out. Being an offensive liability is always going to be a problem. Just can't have guys in the modern NBA who bring close to zero offensively on the court.

Arsenal · Post #662 » by **Arsenal** » Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:24 pm

I agree. Ready to sell high if the right offer comes along for a 2-way wing.

I don't believe his shot/offense will ever be acceptable.

mjkvol · Post #663 » by **mjkvol** » Wed Feb 23, 2022 11:58 pm

Kobblehead wrote:https://sixerswire.usatoday.com/2022/02/21/sixers-not-worried-about-matisse-thybulles-shooting-moving-forward/

I'm calling BS on the headline, and this is exactly why:

“We talked about it. Teams are starting to do the old help off him. Today (Thursday) was the most egregious that I’ve seen. Put Giannis on him and just have him rover the floor.

Matisse needs to improve his work ethic and develop this corner jumper or he's going to continue to be an offensive liability.

It's not as if he has bad form. It's kind of mystifying, because he's a great kid and appears to work hard, but if he doesn't get his 3PA to at least a solid 35-37% he's going to work his way out of any rotation.

Thybulle is due to be paid soon, and no smart team is going to invest in any serious way in a one way player.

Kobblehead · Post #664 » by **Kobblehead** » Thu Feb 24, 2022 12:08 am

I don't think we know if he works hard or not.

We know he has elite inherent defensive instincts and he has great conditioning.

He probably doesn't work hard on his actual game. No excuse for why his jumper has not improved an ounce. He wasn't a shooting zero as a prospect. Him not developing smells like bad work ethic.

ProcessDoctor · Post #665 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Thu Feb 24, 2022 12:26 am

I say we give him one last offseason to see if he can improve his shot. I think it's unlikely he will, but he's about to get paid which is almost always the strongest motivator to improve in a short amount of time.

FireMorey · Post #666 » by **FireMorey** » Thu Feb 24, 2022 12:43 am

Can the Sixers just not draft players who can't shoot anymore? Seriously.

I know players can serve a role in the NBA without the ability to shoot, but can they please not. The last decade of Sixers basketball has had enough bad shooters for one lifetime.

Kobblehead · Post #667 » by **Kobblehead** » Thu Feb 24, 2022 12:49 am

I think it's fine if you have a balance of guys who can shoot and guys who can defend. What I hope they avoid, in the future, is drafting maxed out 4 year college players with no room for development.

mjkvol · Post #668 » by **mjkvol** » Thu Feb 24, 2022 1:40 am

FireMorey wrote:Can the Sixers just not draft players who can't shoot anymore? Seriously.

I know players can serve a role in the NBA without the ability to shoot, but can they please not. The last decade of Sixers basketball has had enough bad shooters for one lifetime.

It's really bizarre, because Brand essentially telegraphed to Ainge that he was determined to pick Thybulle, as he had this notion of creating a 90's style defense-oriented physical team. We all saw how that turned out.

The one I found the most perplexing was trading Bridges, who was as perfect a plug and play fit here as you could ever find in the draft, for another 'athlete'. I understand that we got Miami's 1st, but it always bothered me to give up a perfect 3&D fit when the team was crying for them.

Kobblehead · Post #669 » by **Kobblehead** » Thu Feb 24, 2022 1:45 am

mjkvol wrote:
FireMorey wrote:Can the Sixers just not draft players who can't shoot anymore? Seriously.

I know players can serve a role in the NBA without the ability to shoot, but can they please not. The last decade of Sixers basketball has had enough bad shooters for one lifetime.

It's really bizarre, because Brand essentially telegraphed to Ainge that he was determined to pick Thybulle, as he had this notion of creating a 90's style defense-oriented physical team. We all saw how that turned out.

The one I found the most perplexing was trading Bridges, who was as perfect a plug and play fit here as you could ever find in the draft, for another 'athlete'. I understand that we got Miami's 1st, but it always bothered me to give up a perfect 3&D fit when the team was crying for them.

Mikal Bridges doesn't shoot threes.

He's just a defensive specialist.

mjkvol · Post #670 » by **mjkvol** » Thu Feb 24, 2022 1:48 am

Kobblehead wrote:
mjkvol wrote:
FireMorey wrote:Can the Sixers just not draft players who can't shoot anymore? Seriously.

I know players can serve a role in the NBA without the ability to shoot, but can they please not. The last decade of Sixers basketball has had enough bad shooters for one lifetime.

It's really bizarre, because Brand essentially telegraphed to Ainge that he was determined to pick Thybulle, as he had this notion of creating a 90's style defense-oriented physical team. We all saw how that turned out.

The one I found the most perplexing was trading Bridges, who was as perfect a plug and play fit here as you could ever find in the draft, for another 'athlete'. I understand that we got Miami's 1st, but it always bothered me to give up a perfect 3&D fit when the team was crying for them.

Mikal Bridges doesn't shoot threes.

He's just a defensive specialist.

Mikal Bridges can play on my team any time. Glue guy kind of player that every team needs.

Kobblehead · Post #671 » by **Kobblehead** » Thu Feb 24, 2022 1:53 am

Honestly think the perception of Mikal is more postive than the actuality of him.

First two years at Nova, he was a defensive specialist with no talent. Junior year, his shooting ability appeared out of thin air and got him overdrafted in the lotto.

And now 4 years into the NBA, his junior year shooting spike disappeared. And the last two years in the NBA, even his defensive output took a nose-dive as his useless scoring of garbage buckets increased.

Truth is, Mikal isn't proving three or d right now. He's pretty bad right now. He's just efficiently scoring garbage buckets.

Post #672 » by **Stanford** » Thu Feb 24, 2022 1:59 am

Kobblehead wrote:Honestly think the perception of Mikal is more postive than the actuality of him.

Wow, you're not kidding. I figured that he was averaging somewhere around 18 points this year based on how people on podcasts talk about him. Just looked: 13.4; less than last year. And he's 25. Wild how narrative can determine your perception of a player if, like me, you ain't watchin no suns games.

Post #673 » by **Sixerscan** » Thu Feb 24, 2022 2:04 am

Kobblehead wrote:Honestly think the perception of Mikal is more postive than the actuality of him.

First two years at Nova, he was a defensive specialist with no talent. Junior year, his shooting ability appeared out of thin air and got him overdrafted in the lotto.

And now 4 years into the NBA, his junior year shooting spike disappeared. And the last two years in the NBA, even his defensive output took a nose-dive as his useless scoring of garbage buckets increased.

Truth is, Mikal isn't proving three or d right now. He's pretty bad right now. He's just efficiently scoring garbage buckets.

Lol he almost made the all star team

Kobblehead · Post #674 » by **Kobblehead** » Thu Feb 24, 2022 2:05 am

Dude signed a 4 year $90 contract

The guy can't score off the dribble. He can't pass. He doesn't shoot threes. He doesn't make anywhere near the amount of plays defensively that his reputation suggests

He's one of the worst contracts in the league.

Imagine paying Mikal Bridges $22.5M per year. Embarrassing.

Kobblehead · Post #675 » by **Kobblehead** » Thu Feb 24, 2022 2:05 am

Sixerscan wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:Honestly think the perception of Mikal is more postive than the actuality of him.

First two years at Nova, he was a defensive specialist with no talent. Junior year, his shooting ability appeared out of thin air and got him overdrafted in the lotto.

And now 4 years into the NBA, his junior year shooting spike disappeared. And the last two years in the NBA, even his defensive output took a nose-dive as his useless scoring of garbage buckets increased.

Truth is, Mikal isn't proving three or d right now. He's pretty bad right now. He's just efficiently scoring garbage buckets.

Lol he almost made the all star team

Which would be nonsensical.

Kobblehead · Post #676 » by **Kobblehead** » Thu Feb 24, 2022 2:12 am

Stanford wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:Honestly think the perception of Mikal is more postive than the actuality of him.

Wow, you're not kidding. I figured that he was averaging somewhere around 18 points this year based on how people on podcasts talk about him. Just looked: 13.4; less than last year. And he's 25. Wild how narrative can determine your perception of a player if, like me, you ain't watchin no suns games.

Word

Podcast dudes love glue guys that take charges and are known as good teammates/lockerroom guys. It's why the blog community pretended Shane Battier was good during his career.

Thybulle is in that conversation, as well, but at least he REALLY is ELITE defensively so he somewhat deserves the nerdy adulation. Bridges? Definitely not.

mjkvol · Post #677 » by **mjkvol** » Thu Feb 24, 2022 2:14 am

Stanford wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:Honestly think the perception of Mikal is more postive than the actuality of him.

Wow, you're not kidding. I figured that he was averaging somewhere around 18 points this year based on how people on podcasts talk about him. Just looked: 13.4; less than last year. And he's 25. Wild how narrative can determine your perception of a player if, like me, you ain't watchin no suns games.

I plead guilty to not watching any Suns games as well. Totally perception based on the junior season at Nova and what I've read about him. Actually kind of surprised that his performance has dropped off to that extent when he plays for one of the best teams in the league that appears to think highly of him.

mjkvol · Post #678 » by **mjkvol** » Thu Feb 24, 2022 2:16 am

Kobblehead wrote:
Thybulle is in that conversation, as well, but at least he REALLY is ELITE defensively so he somewhat deserves the nerdy adulation. Bridges? Definitely not.

Thybulle may be REALLY elite on the defensive end, but he's REALLY a negative offensively, and teams are scheming him as such.

Kobblehead · Post #679 » by **Kobblehead** » Thu Feb 24, 2022 2:16 am

Jae Crowder is on the same team as Mikal Bridges. Take one look at the 3pa per-36, steal percentage, and block percentage and tell me who da real three and d guy on that roster is.

Kobblehead · Post #680 » by **Kobblehead** » Thu Feb 24, 2022 2:24 am

mjkvol wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:
Thybulle is in that conversation, as well, but at least he REALLY is ELITE defensively so he somewhat deserves the nerdy adulation. Bridges? Definitely not.

Thybulle may be REALLY elite on the defensive end, but he's REALLY a negative offensively, and teams are scheming him as such.

I don't disagree. His lack of jumpshot development is deplorable. I just think the life of a role player is in extremes. Either you're a major defensive asset or you're a major spacing asset. The best ones do both. In the very least, Thybulle is a major defensive asset.