Summer Free Agency 2019 Part 4

ankle420breaker · Post #41 » by **ankle420breaker** » Tue Jul 16, 2019 5:13 pm

We're going to end up with Meeks. I can feel it.

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Gulfwang · Post #42 » by **Gulfwang** » Tue Jul 16, 2019 5:19 pm

fl311 wrote:It's still about Korver and Sefalosha. They are 1a and 1b.

Why not both? After that whole draft 2nd round fiasco they should fill out every roster spot

hookshot199 · Post #43 » by **hookshot199** » Tue Jul 16, 2019 5:29 pm

fl311 wrote:
Sixerscan wrote:
fl311 wrote:It's still about Korver and Sefalosha. They are 1a and 1b.

Korver taking his time it seems. I guess there’s no rush from his perspective.

No real rush from either side right now.

Thanks for the update.

PhillyPhilly · Post #44 » by **PhillyPhilly** » Tue Jul 16, 2019 5:54 pm

So any chance we get Chris Woods back In the building after NO waived him? Towards the end of last season he was really balling and would give us a decent scorer off the bench I think.

Kobblehead · Post #45 » by **Kobblehead** » Tue Jul 16, 2019 6:26 pm

Korver's playoff production is a complete zero over the last few postseason runs. Unlike Danny Green (another production zero), he's not keeping points off the board on the other end to justify his lack of scoring production. He's unplayable come playoff time.

Kobblehead · Post #46 » by **Kobblehead** » Tue Jul 16, 2019 6:33 pm

ckchen wrote:Nwaba is gone anyway to brooklyn. I can't see them signing anyione like Thornwell or Anderson simply because the only depth we really have this point are Zhaire and Thybulle, even Shake at that wing spot. Korver at least provides a pure skill that can be used situationally. Guys like this SHOULD never see the floor so it seems like it would be a waste. If they sign anyone else besides Korver, it would probably be for a legitimate 3rd PG, even if it's more of a scoring PG like Burke. Maybe Jerian Grant or even Jeremy Lin.

We're talking about roster spot #14 and #15, though. None of these guys are going to see the floor, anyway, barring major blows to the depth of the team.

There's nobody left that is going to crack the playoff rotation. All the guys available either have bad intangibles, bad health or are old and decrepit.

Might as well fill out the back of the roster with a pair of young-legged defenders like Thornwell and Anderson (who both have a develop-worthy shooting profile).

Post #47 » by **Sixerscan** » Tue Jul 16, 2019 6:37 pm

If I’m thornwell’s agent I’m telling him to go somewhere he can play. He comes here he runs the risk of getting lost in the shuffle like in LA.

Anderson will be lucky to be in the league at this point so he should take what he can get.

ckchen · Post #48 » by **ckchen** » Tue Jul 16, 2019 6:38 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Korver's playoff production is a complete zero over the last few postseason runs. Unlike Danny Green (another production zero), he's not keeping points off the board on the other end to justify his lack of scoring production. He's unplayable come playoff time.

Unplayable for the Cavs and the Jazz? That's fine, because he wouldn't be on those teams. You can't necessarily directly translate how he was utilized on those teams to how he might be able to be used here. If he's playing with 4 great defenders on the floor, the reason why he was "unplayable" for those other teams may have less relevance here. Maybe he's purely a situational offense-for-defense sub or a situational player for a set play to shoot 3s or receive an inbounds pass and take foul shots. Danny Green isn't an option and you're not signing him for his defense.

hookshot199 · Post #49 » by **hookshot199** » Tue Jul 16, 2019 6:48 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Korver's playoff production is a complete zero over the last few postseason runs. Unlike Danny Green (another production zero), he's not keeping points off the board on the other end to justify his lack of scoring production. He's unplayable come playoff time.

He wasn't unplayable for the Cavs. And he didn't play in the Houston series this year.

In June 2017 for the Cavs, 69 3-point attempts in 18 games, made 27=.391
In June 2018 for the Cavs, 109 attempts in 22 games, made 45=.413

Kobblehead · Post #50 » by **Kobblehead** » Tue Jul 16, 2019 6:52 pm

hookshot199 wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:Korver's playoff production is a complete zero over the last few postseason runs. Unlike Danny Green (another production zero), he's not keeping points off the board on the other end to justify his lack of scoring production. He's unplayable come playoff time.

He wasn't unplayable for the Cavs. And he didn't play in the Houston series this year.

In June 2017 for the Cavs, 69 3-point attempts in 18 games, made 27=.391
In June 2018 for the Cavs, 109 attempts in 22 games, made 45=.413

His shooting percentages aren't relevant to the point.

He provides zero scoring production and he doesn't prevent any scoring production from the other team.

He's never been a good playoff player and to expect him to shift gears and be a quality playoff performer at age 39 seems unrealistic.

Post #51 » by **Sixerscan** » Tue Jul 16, 2019 6:53 pm

fl311 wrote:It's still about Korver and Sefalosha. They are 1a and 1b.

Just remembered that Thabo was also on the 2015 hawks.

If both signed we would have
Horford
Scott
Korver
Thabo
And of course Elton Brand.

I guess we can count on Teague signing if he gets bought out.

Kobblehead · Post #52 » by **Kobblehead** » Tue Jul 16, 2019 6:57 pm

Sixerscan wrote:
fl311 wrote:It's still about Korver and Sefalosha. They are 1a and 1b.

Just remembered that Thabo was also on the 2015 hawks.

If both signed we would have
Horford
Scott
Korver
Thabo
And of course Elton Brand.

I guess we can count on Teague signing if he gets bought out.

I don't like it. Feels like when Thibs started signing every ex-Bull he could get his hands on because he was desperate for familiarity.

hookshot199 · Post #53 » by **hookshot199** » Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:10 pm

Kobblehead wrote:
hookshot199 wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:Korver's playoff production is a complete zero over the last few postseason runs. Unlike Danny Green (another production zero), he's not keeping points off the board on the other end to justify his lack of scoring production. He's unplayable come playoff time.

He wasn't unplayable for the Cavs. And he didn't play in the Houston series this year.

In June 2017 for the Cavs, 69 3-point attempts in 18 games, made 27=.391
In June 2018 for the Cavs, 109 attempts in 22 games, made 45=.413

His shooting percentages aren't relevant to the point.

He provides zero scoring production and he doesn't prevent any scoring production from the other team.

He's never been a good playoff player and to expect him to shift gears and be a quality playoff performer at age 39 seems unrealistic.

In 2018, he made two 3-point shots per game - off the bench - in an average of 23. The Cavs won
12 out of 18 games before getting swept by Golden State.

sixerswillrule · Post #54 » by **sixerswillrule** » Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:36 pm

Sixerscan wrote:
fl311 wrote:It's still about Korver and Sefalosha. They are 1a and 1b.

Just remembered that Thabo was also on the 2015 hawks.

If both signed we would have
Horford
Scott
Korver
Thabo
And of course Elton Brand.

I guess we can count on Teague signing if he gets bought out.

Post #55 » by **Ben** » Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:50 am

ankle420breaker wrote:We're going to end up with Meeks. I can feel it.

That was my first thought upon hearing Brand's wording. :lol:

ankle420breaker · Post #56 » by **ankle420breaker** » Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:25 pm

Reach idea here, but does Brandon Jennings have anything left? I believe he's playing somewhere in Russia and not sure if he's even able to exit his contract over there.

I'd prefer Burke and Livingston, but if they sign elsewhere remaining options for guard depth are limited.

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Kobblehead · Post #57 » by **Kobblehead** » Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:40 pm

Jennings was looking pretty cooked, post-surgery, his last few years in the league. He really didn't look good since the 2015 season.

ankle420breaker · Post #58 » by **ankle420breaker** » Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:47 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Jennings was looking pretty cooked, post-surgery, his last few years in the league. He really didn't look good since the 2015 season.

Agree, although he did have a few outlier games where he found another gear. Still just 29 years old... I'd prefer if it didn't come to that, but might be worthy of a 14th/15th roster spot if other options fall through.

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ckchen · Post #59 » by **ckchen** » Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:33 pm

ankle420breaker wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:Jennings was looking pretty cooked, post-surgery, his last few years in the league. He really didn't look good since the 2015 season.
Agree, although he did have a few outlier games where he found another gear. Still just 29 years old... I'd prefer if it didn't come to that, but might be worthy of a 14th/15th roster spot if other options fall through.

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pretty sure we're not looking for someone like that - we didn't go to the STAT/Monta Ellis workout after all. And Monta sounds like he wants to come back.

oldschool1 · Post #60 » by **oldschool1** » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:41 pm

Though I would be ok with signing Korver, I would prioritize Thabo Sefolosha. He has turned himself into an above average three point shooter (38%and 42% the last two years ). Showed he could be a productive 10-15 bench player on a very good Utah team. Provides the added dimension of being able to defend larger elite wing players like Leonard , George and Lebron. Downside is that he is injured a lot, though we would not depend on him. Adding him would not significantly hurt the playing time for Zaire and Thybull.