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Re: Around the League - 2019-2020
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 5:45 am
by 76ciology
Eyeamok wrote:Eyeamok wrote:76ciology wrote:
Actually i think Brown’s plan is what you just mentioned. Let Ben play point for the first 3 quarters then let Jimmy take over in the fourth. It’s sort of how you see Wade-Bron or PG-Kawhi where both guys would take turn in being primary perimeter playmaker.
Ego aside, the best way to do it is let Ben run the offense with Butler conserving his energy for the 4th quarter. Then on crunch time, you let Butler run the offense where Ben can focus on playing defense.
This is what we’ve done for the most part until the Raps series. And Ive posted here how clunky it is and how you can make it tough to work when opponents can play a big SF like Raps and Bucks can.
Agree with everything you said including Biid-Ben is already tough to fit then its harder to add Butler in the equation.
A part of me goes philosophical and thinks this is probably why most superteams are consolidated into one team after a star has an awakening that he can’t do it alone. Like KG, Bron, Wade and so forth. The problem is, Butler is a different type of player while Ben still thinks he is larger than life.
It’s also quite ironic when Jimmy Butler said how some of our team (yes, our team) are not playing for the championship but for fame and fortune. I mean.. why is he not willing to sacrifice his game to fit with Ben then?
No matter what era you play in, You can’t have two guys who are not good shooters or won’t shoot that also want to play point guard on the court at the same time.
Anyway, whether you guys agree with me or not. we can all agree that Ben has to improve on offense.
Next season, no excuses. No more blaming on Brett or with the roster. He better be a better offensive player or I can see him on the trading block heading for 2021-2022 season.
I’m not saying he has to pay. I wish him well (like everyone on this team). But I hope seeing Butler in the finals would drive him into a better player.
Who knows what motivates Ben, he has fame and a fat new contract all without learning how to shoot as a basketball player. Which is his primary mode of income. How crazy is that! It's just disappointing to see how little he has developed, the one area of his game, that has been pinpointed season after season as his most pressing weakness.
I would like to think that Ben would rise to the challenge after seeing Jimmy having such a great finals run. But he is probably not even watching the games.
I have it on good authority that Ben watched the game tonight and saw the stat line Jimmy put up and said "if the fans want me to play more like Jimmt, this stat line I can duplicate".
He’s being blanketed with the fanbase angry at the FO and his, quite honestly, empty “All NBA” team award. I’d imagine him being asked why he hasn’t improved and replying “why would i want to change my game when I’m an all NBA and all defensive team member”.
If you guys are angry at the FO, please also don’t forget to blame Ben.
Because even if you put Presti as our GM and Bill Gates as our owner, nothing will change if Normal Powell is still a better scorer than Ben.
Just think about it.. you have to decide between going to Norman Powell or Ben Simmons on who to go to for the winning basket
Ben should play the game for the championship and should have the mental toughness of Embiid and Jimmy. Ben should also be willing to listen other credible people’s (i.e Butler) criticism on his game.
The missing piece in this team is Ben. He can only be the one who can save this team.
Re: Around the League - 2019-2020
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 6:06 am
by stormi
Ben is our best player and our savior and the best basketball player of all time. I'm ready for next season.
Re: Around the League - 2019-2020
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 6:07 am
by Rastas
76ciology wrote:the_process wrote:I do think that if this is the put up or shut up season. If they underachieve again; I imagine the Sixers will probably break up the band, so to speak.
Sixers will break up or one of Biid or Ben will ask to be traded.
That report of Biid not wanting a headcoach connected to Ben speaks a lot of volume.
I expect neither to play at their best if they are still playing together - one or both needs to go.
Re: Around the League - 2019-2020
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 6:29 am
by 76ciology
Rastas wrote:76ciology wrote:the_process wrote:I do think that if this is the put up or shut up season. If they underachieve again; I imagine the Sixers will probably break up the band, so to speak.
Sixers will break up or one of Biid or Ben will ask to be traded.
That report of Biid not wanting a headcoach connected to Ben speaks a lot of volume.
I expect neither to play at their best if they are still playing together - one or both needs to go.
I’d follow the program and give is 1 to 3 more seasons. I’d also stay open at the same time, be flexible to change course if I know I’m wrong or is given a better opportunity.
Re: Around the League - 2019-2020
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 7:38 am
by eyeatoma
Eyeamok wrote:Negrodamus wrote:As Jimmy pushes this to game 6, this clip should be all that you consider for why he didn't return. It's not Ben, not Joel, probably not even Brett (although I do think they had issues), it's the front office.
But you notice no one answered the question of if he is hard to work with. An indication that he is.
JJ, did answer it. He said no you're not.
Re: Around the League - 2019-2020
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:32 am
by stormi
Scam Adebayo exposed as being a junior Clint Capela. Love Jimmy but thankfully that struggle grit fawn fest has concluded.
Re: Around the League - 2019-2020
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:15 am
by 76ciology
eyeatoma wrote:Eyeamok wrote:Negrodamus wrote:As Jimmy pushes this to game 6, this clip should be all that you consider for why he didn't return. It's not Ben, not Joel, probably not even Brett (although I do think they had issues), it's the front office.
But you notice no one answered the question of if he is hard to work with. An indication that he is.
JJ, did answer it. He said no you're not.
Imagine what happens if JJ said yes.
I think JJ also values his life.
Re: Around the League - 2019-2020
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:20 am
by 76ciology
Rondo shot 40% and AD 38% from 3 in the playoffs.
Just watched game 5. Bron had a similar shot/possession at 3:47 mark of the fourth to what he had on that possession where he passed it to Green, it ended up being blocked
Re: Around the League - 2019-2020
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 1:39 pm
by GoSixersBro
Rondo doesn't and will not get enough credit after it's all said and done. Dude seems to always come up big in the most important games. I remember Game 7 of the 2012 semifinals on Memorial Day when he killed our dreams.
I'll be shocked if Rondo is not a head coach one day in this league. An ultimate leader with a big basketball brain.
Re: Around the League - 2019-2020
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 2:39 pm
by Eyeamok
eyeatoma wrote:Eyeamok wrote:Negrodamus wrote:As Jimmy pushes this to game 6, this clip should be all that you consider for why he didn't return. It's not Ben, not Joel, probably not even Brett (although I do think they had issues), it's the front office.
But you notice no one answered the question of if he is hard to work with. An indication that he is.
JJ, did answer it. He said no you're not.
You are right he does utter those words. After he initially laughed at the question as if to say yes you are hard to work with. And JJ does not answer at all initially. Secondly when JJ did answer the question it was not a resounding no. Look at the head gesture that goes along with the answer there is a slight head nod no followed by an even smaller yes nod. It's very slight but it is there.
Re: Around the League - 2019-2020
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 2:51 pm
by Eyeamok
GoSixersBro wrote:Rondo doesn't and will not get enough credit after it's all said and done. Dude seems to always come up big in the most important games. I remember Game 7 of the 2012 semifinals on Memorial Day when he killed our dreams.
I'll be shocked if Rondo is not a head coach one day in this league. An ultimate leader with a big basketball brain.
Rondo does have a big basketball brain and he probably understand basketball inside and out. But I doubt he will ever be a head coach in the NBA. His people skills seem to be extremely weak and he does not come across as likable.
Re: Around the League - 2019-2020
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 2:56 pm
by GoSixersBro
Eyeamok wrote:GoSixersBro wrote:Rondo doesn't and will not get enough credit after it's all said and done. Dude seems to always come up big in the most important games. I remember Game 7 of the 2012 semifinals on Memorial Day when he killed our dreams.
I'll be shocked if Rondo is not a head coach one day in this league. An ultimate leader with a big basketball brain.
Rondo does have a big basketball brain and he probably understand basketball inside and out. But I doubt he will ever be a head coach in the NBA. His people skills seem to be extremely weak and he does not come across as likable.
Bobby Knight says hi.
Only joking, I know comparing the two is silly. But I think Rondo definitely could have something to offer in the league from a strategic standpoint whether as a head coach or assistant. It's nice to see players coaching their teammates out on the floor. I love when the players are huge basketball nerds and know so much about strategizing on the fly like we've seen LeBron and Kobe do for al these years.
Re: Around the League - 2019-2020
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 3:18 pm
by Eyeamok
GoSixersBro wrote:Eyeamok wrote:GoSixersBro wrote:Rondo doesn't and will not get enough credit after it's all said and done. Dude seems to always come up big in the most important games. I remember Game 7 of the 2012 semifinals on Memorial Day when he killed our dreams.
I'll be shocked if Rondo is not a head coach one day in this league. An ultimate leader with a big basketball brain.
Rondo does have a big basketball brain and he probably understand basketball inside and out. But I doubt he will ever be a head coach in the NBA. His people skills seem to be extremely weak and he does not come across as likable.
Bobby Knight says hi.
Only joking, I know comparing the two is silly. But I think Rondo definitely could have something to offer in the league from a strategic standpoint whether as a head coach or assistant. It's nice to see players coaching their teammates out on the floor. I love when the players are huge basketball nerds and know so much about strategizing on the fly like we've seen LeBron and Kobe do for al these years.
If you read my post I said Rondo would not be an NBA coach. Key word being NBA. Could he get a job coaching at the college level probably so. Might not be division 1 but some school would take a chance at having a 2 time NBA champion PG as their coach. And it's all good, with he jokes.
You are right Rondo does have a lot to offer.
Re: Around the League - 2019-2020
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 3:46 pm
by rzzzzz
76ciology wrote: Could Sixers trade Embiid to Pels for AD and Ben to Cavs for LeBron? It’s likely yes. But another thing is will they stay? But who knows..
could the Sixers have attracted LeBron as a free agent? well, no, he wouldn't even meet with them. probably only had some representation go through the motion out of respect for Ben. i read somewhere that LeBron's mate had pushed really hard for SoCa. But i got to tell you, where I live there is suddenly a lot of SoCa interest in local real estate, given the tragic mess out there.
i'm pretty sure Jimmy will discuss Embiid with Pat, wondering if that same guy who challenged LeBron and AD so hard in the 4th period of the All Star game (which was a hell of a show, for once) could be molded into what would put the Heat over the top. (Nick Nurse sure knew how to deploy him!)
i think even if we might actually want to keep JoJo and Ben, we got to see some real positive changes fast. I'm relieved we got an actual member of the club to implement at least obvious schemes for our all stars. and someone who has at least had moderate success in developing young talent. how much patience to you have to give him/it a chance? i'd give it a year. and if we don't get obvious satisfaction, **** Adam Silver and hire Sam back as a consultant and let's go nuts.
Re: Around the League - 2019-2020
Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 1:44 am
by 76thBearCub
Mik317 wrote:so uh...Kobble
I thought the Lakers had no chance due to not having any shot creators?
wha happun
Find a new slant.
Re: Around the League - 2019-2020
Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 1:34 pm
by Sixerscan
Yes it’s time for a new slant, er, thread.