ProcessDoctor wrote:eyeatoma wrote:Can we stop trying to trade Embiid every time Ben has a good game. Jo is friends with the owner anyways unless Jo asks for a trade he's not getting traded.
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It’s not a coincidence that every time Simmons has “the best game of his career” it’s without Jo. Look at Ben’s Cleveland game last year (and this year). Tonight was no different.
The entire national media already sees that we can’t maximize both players at the same, not sure why we as fans refuse to see that as well.
I am not super sure of that.
We never have maxinized either guy honestly. Due to circumstances and poor choices. Ben doesn't have the athletes to run with. Embiid doesn't have the creators and shooters. Hell both guys need shooters. Broken record time but again that first year team was the closest to what this team needs. Cov and Dario aren't the best shooters but they were willing and not too prideful to just spot up. Our flaw was our bench and while Marco and Ersan "fixed" it, that was too many poor defenders to hide and there were no shot creation.
The other elephant in the room is that i don't think either guy's perfect world is enough to win a chip. BOTH guys need to be able to sacrifice and adjust on a whim. Its not like Horford is flying up the court so why can't Joel do the same thing. Ben will also still need to shoot and attack all the time even with Joel's bigass on the floor (which becomes easier without Horford and to a lesser extent Tobias also wanting to stand in the lane). This idea that we have tried to make it work is not the full truth. We always were half-assing it while also not.\ Yeah Al is the perfect big next to Ben but at what cost?...and is that enough? Neto stanks but just having someone able to work off of Ben opens things up...what if we got a better version of that? Would that also help Embiid out?
I just don't think the immediate answer is to trade the only guys with top 20 upside (flaws and all) for what will be scraps...for systems that probably also won't get us over the hump. Beal will come at the expense of our rim protection and still require Ben to play more off ball...and still get a jumpshot. Trading Ben for DLo...hurts our defense on the perimeter and still doesn't mean Embiid can just post up all day. So why not adjust with the talent you have and actually fix the surrounding pieces with dudes that actually fit them. Embiid being here does not mean you can't run....and you can't run all the time. And in the half court, Ben can still attack...it just requires more spacing than Horford at the 4 can provide.
TLDR: Despite my angst I still don't see trading Ben or Embiid as the answer. Its never going to be a perfect fit but unless an equally talented piece is available, you don't downgrade for percieved fit. You don't Thunder yourself. They chose Ibaka over Harden because too many ballhandlers.....don't do that.