How good can The Rainmaker be?

[Kobblehead]

Fun fact: Many expected TLC to be better than Furkan

Furkan was playing 11 minutes per game overseas as a 160 pound 17 year old.

All we knew about him was he was a pretty decent shooter that won a dunk contest wearing a cheap Darth Vader costume.

[cej11]

Fun fact: Many expected TLC to be better than Furkan

I remember some of those early mock drafts had Tlc as a late lottery pick. Korkmaz was a mid to late 1st rounder.

[Arsenal]

Wait, are you serious with this Klay thing? Come on, man.

Sorry my bad. I meant that Josh Jackson is the next Kawhi. Does that mesh better with your scouting reports Kobble?

[76ciology]

Wait, are you serious with this Klay thing? Come on, man.

Sorry my bad. I meant that Josh Jackson is the next Kawhi. Does that mesh better with your scouting reports Kobble?

From Klay to Klaw

[sixers hoops]

It bothers me that they didn’t even realize he was good enough to pick up his option. This front office has picked up some really nice players on the margins, but letting him go initially was concerning.

The klay ceiling doesn’t seem realistic. Klay has been a great defender and so far better shooter than Korkmaz. If he becomes a Klay offensively, I’d be thrilled.

Why not compare to Klay at age 22 instead of prime Klay?

http://bkref.com/tiny/naaTO

Usually I think that’s fair, but when one guy has been a five time all-star, all nba, all defense player, that is an upside that is extremely unlikely to reach. I would easily wager thousands of dollars that Korkmaz never makes three all-star appearances, let alone five by Klay’s age. In addition, even if we were so lucky that he matched Klay’s offensive accomplishments, he likely will never be the defender Klay is. I would be happy if he became JJ, since he doesn’t profile to be a great defender.

[brannigan73]

Lets temper our enthusiasm a little with Furkan. Ive been encouraged of course like everyone else but advanced plus minus type stats still do not like him very much. At this point really he has one slightly above average NBA skill his 3 pt shooting. He needs to round out his offensive game more (he is mediocre to bad at every shot besides the three) and despite talk to the contrary he is still pretty bad on d like quite far away from being even as scrappy as a JJ Redick who people killed around here. What is good about Furkan is he is still very young and and he has good size and by all accounts works hard. I think maybe a legit 6 man or fringe shooting specialist starter on a stacked team is his ceiling if he maximizes his potential.

[Wilfried]

His shot reminds me a bit of Brent Barry ...

[Arsenal]

Lets temper our enthusiasm a little with Furkan. Ive been encouraged of course like everyone else but advanced plus minus type stats still do not like him very much. At this point really he has one slightly above average NBA skill his 3 pt shooting. He needs to round out his offensive game more (he is mediocre to bad at every shot besides the three) and despite talk to the contrary he is still pretty bad on d like quite far away from being even as scrappy as a JJ Redick who people killed around here. What is good about Furkan is he is still very young and and he has good size and by all accounts works hard. I think maybe a legit 6 man or fringe shooting specialist starter on a stacked team is his ceiling if he maximizes his potential.

I'm tired of this outdated nonsense. You are parroting stuff from years ago.

THIS YEAR his defense is pretty decent. THIS YEAR his advanced stats are decent as well.

Let's temper our enthusiasm a little with the OUTDATED takes on Furkan.

[Kova]

Fun fact: Many expected TLC to be better than Furkan

It’s kinda hard to evaluate euro players pre-draft. Especially super young ones.

I respectfully disagree. Just because you don't have enough of an access to Euro basketball in US, doesn't mean it's hard to evaluate EU players. If nothing, most of them come from playing a much harder Euroleague basketball than US high school and colleague will ever be.

For example, for europeans Luka Doncic was a no brainer that he would be a star in this league. I was scratching my head seeing him fall to 3th in the draft.

Besides, how about all the US based players evaluation? Bennett, Fultz, Okafor, Fredette, Morrison,Thabeet, Flynn, Thomas Robinson ring a bell? And they were right in front of your nose.

I'd say it's lottery sometimes. In a lot of cases you just can't know, no matter where they're coming from.

[Stanford]

[Arsenal]

So you're saying he'll be the GOAT like his namesake? I can dig it.

[Negrodamus]

Fun fact: Many expected TLC to be better than Furkan

It’s kinda hard to evaluate euro players pre-draft. Especially super young ones.

I respectfully disagree. Just because you don't have enough of an access to Euro basketball in US, doesn't mean it's hard to evaluate EU players. If nothing, most of them come from playing a much harder Euroleague basketball than US high school and colleague will ever be.

For example, for europeans Luka Doncic was a no brainer that he would be a star in this league. I was scratching my head seeing him fall to 3th in the draft.

Besides, how about all the US based players evaluation? Bennett, Fultz, Okafor, Fredette, Morrison,Thabeet, Flynn, Thomas Robinson ring a bell? And they were right in front of your nose.

I'd say it's lottery sometimes. In a lot of cases you just can't know, no matter where they're coming from.

I'm not sure what your argument is here.

Are Euro players harder for me to evaluate? 100%. Is college ball better than Euro League? Nope. Those are two separate conversations. Korkmaz was barely playing for Efes before we drafted him. How can I make any form of evaluation without seeing him at a workout or playing in games where he gets more than 10mpg? That has been my experience, an American, with most Euro prospects. I just don't even attempt to evaluate them at this point unless they are more decorated like Luka.

BTW, all of those college prospects were lacking in major quantifiable ways that were overlooked. I feel like leaning on analytical data has been a recent revelation and will become even harder when prospects are able to come out of high school.

[Kobblehead]

when prospects are able to come out of high school.

I would literally never draft a highschool player. Even at the risk of avoiding a hall of famer. Could you imagine being a GM and using a top 5 pick on Diamond Stone?

[VDT]

High school draftees is probably the best argument against tanking.

[Kobblehead]

I would treat highschool kids like non-sure thing international players. Late firsts, only.

[Negrodamus]

I would treat highschool kids like non-sure thing international players. Late firsts, only.

I mean, there might be LeBron types out of high school. Obviously can't miss on those. But there is a blurred line on some of those guys. I firmly believe there were a few that probably needed the structure of college for them to realize their potential. You see someone like Gerald Green who is an offensive freak, even coming out of high school, and you get nervous you're missing on TMac.

I just feel like the hype machine here makes things harder.

[kriss73]

Lebron level with more shooting.

[creek48]

Well 19 pts in 11 minutes. I think he is causing a storm tonight.

[76ciology]

It’s kinda hard to evaluate euro players pre-draft. Especially super young ones.

I respectfully disagree. Just because you don't have enough of an access to Euro basketball in US, doesn't mean it's hard to evaluate EU players. If nothing, most of them come from playing a much harder Euroleague basketball than US high school and colleague will ever be.

For example, for europeans Luka Doncic was a no brainer that he would be a star in this league. I was scratching my head seeing him fall to 3th in the draft.

Besides, how about all the US based players evaluation? Bennett, Fultz, Okafor, Fredette, Morrison,Thabeet, Flynn, Thomas Robinson ring a bell? And they were right in front of your nose.

I'd say it's lottery sometimes. In a lot of cases you just can't know, no matter where they're coming from.

I'm not sure what your argument is here.

Are Euro players harder for me to evaluate? 100%. Is college ball better than Euro League? Nope. Those are two separate conversations. Korkmaz was barely playing for Efes before we drafted him. How can I make any form of evaluation without seeing him at a workout or playing in games where he gets more than 10mpg? That has been my experience, an American, with most Euro prospects. I just don't even attempt to evaluate them at this point unless they are more decorated like Luka.

BTW, all of those college prospects were lacking in major quantifiable ways that were overlooked. I feel like leaning on analytical data has been a recent revelation and will become even harder when prospects are able to come out of high school.

TLC looked athletic on video clips then suddenly looked like a below average athlete in the nba.

[76ciology]

We should learn on how Kork was able to turn a crisis into an opportunity