Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season

[Arsenal]

How did Tyler Johnson fall off so hard

Got a huge payday. For guys who are motivated by money only, it tends to happen.

[Kobblehead]

All 3 would be good to pair with Embiid. You know who would be better? Ben Simmons.

I said star ball handler. Not defensive specialist with assisted point production and passing. How could anyone who has watched the Sixers for the last three years think that these two make sense together being on max contracts on the same team?

[MambaJuice]

This seems to me to be a question of philosophy. Do you put all your chips on the table and try to win now with a condensed window? If that's the case, you move Simmons for the best possible package and hope Embiid can get to the post-season healthy and in shape with a true pick and roll ball handler.
Or do you try to keep your window for contention open for as long as possible? If that's the case, you move Embiid and surround Simmons with as many shooters as possible and try to ape what Milwaukee is doing with Giannis.

I can honestly see arguments for both. If we flame out, I'd like to hire a new coach and see how we do going into next year's deadline. I'm leaning more toward keeping the window open because I just can't bank on Embiid making it through a full season.

Purely hypothetical:

76ers receive: Kristops Porzingis, Jrue Holiday and Mavs 2022 1st round (lottery protected)
Mavs receive: Joel Embiid
Pels receive: Al Horford, OKC 21 1st round (via Sixers)

Why the Mavs do it: They get to pair Luka Doncic with the best Center in the league.

Why the Pels do it: They get a mentor for Zion and a 1st rounder as a sweetener to take on his contract. Gives them a chance to vie for the playoffs with a vet in the lineup.

Why the Sixers do it: They get shooting and ball handling around Ben.

[Kobblehead]

If they are going to trade Simmons i doubt they will go for young players like Fox. The team wants to contend now and with Embiid's injury concerns they will probably want a more established star.

I think Fox is ready to contend. His scoring volume and efficiency have increased each year and he's maintained excellent defense and passing all along. He's young, but he's far enough removed from being a teenager that things should start to be clicking for him by now. He'll be 23 by the time our Christmas Day game rolls around next year (which is around the time guys usually start to "get it").

[VDT]

If Embiid's knee issues are not degenerative the Sixers would be idiots to trade him, as they are never gonna get back anything close in value and they certainly are not getting a player to build around which is what they would need in that case.

[PhillyFan11]

Jo to the Hawks...pair him with the star shooting PG everyone dreams of. Hawks pay unprotected 1st round pick, Capela, Reddish, and Huerter. This turns the keys over to Ben with more shooters added + a non ball dominant athletic C.

Or

Ben to the Suns...pairing him with a guard like Booker makes a lot of sense. Ben, Booker, and Ayton make that franchise interesting. Suns pay their unprotected 1st, Rubio, Oubre, and Bridges. Jo surrounded by Rubio, Richardson, Oubre, and Harris is a lot more well suited for his skill set.

*Horford is still a problem in both scenarios.

[Kobblehead]

Jo to the Hawks...pair him with the star shooting PG everyone dreams of. Hawks pay unprotected 1st round pick, Capela, Reddish, and Huerter. This turns the keys over to Ben with more shooters added + a non ball dominant athletic C.

Or

Ben to the Suns...pairing him with a guard like Booker makes a lot of sense. Ben, Booker, and Ayton make that franchise interesting. Suns pay their unprotected 1st, Rubio, Oubre, and Bridges. Jo surrounded by Rubio, Richardson, Oubre, and Harris is a lot more well suited for his skill set.

*Horford is still a problem in both scenarios.

Bro....

[Mik317]

those are the exact type of deals I think would happen.

gonna go lay down now

[youngcrev]

This seems to me to be a question of philosophy. Do you put all your chips on the table and try to win now with a condensed window? If that's the case, you move Simmons for the best possible package and hope Embiid can get to the post-season healthy and in shape with a true pick and roll ball handler.
Or do you try to keep your window for contention open for as long as possible? If that's the case, you move Embiid and surround Simmons with as many shooters as possible and try to ape what Milwaukee is doing with Giannis.

I can honestly see arguments for both. If we flame out, I'd like to hire a new coach and see how we do going into next year's deadline. I'm leaning more toward keeping the window open because I just can't bank on Embiid making it through a full season.

Purely hypothetical:

76ers receive: Kristops Porzingis, Jrue Holiday and Mavs 2022 1st round (lottery protected)
Mavs receive: Joel Embiid
Pels receive: Al Horford, OKC 21 1st round (via Sixers)

Why the Mavs do it: They get to pair Luka Doncic with the best Center in the league.

Why the Pels do it: They get a mentor for Zion and a 1st rounder as a sweetener to take on his contract. Gives them a chance to vie for the playoffs with a vet in the lineup.

Why the Sixers do it: They get shooting and ball handling around Ben.

The Mavs ain't getting Embiid for Porzingis and a lottery protected first, and the Sixers aren't getting Jrue for Horford and that OKC fake/late 1st

[ProcessDoctor]

If we decide Embiid is the way to go, then I’m keeping a *very* close eye on Harden this summer. If Morey gets canned and Houston goes full rebuild, maybe Ben Simmons is the most attractive piece on the market for Harden...

I’m good with a 3-year window if our likelihood of winning a chip is high enough. Embiid + Beard would create such a scenario.

[XDevilBoiX]

If we decide Embiid is the way to go, then I’m keeping a *very* close eye on Harden this summer. If Morey gets canned and Houston goes full rebuild, maybe Ben Simmons is the most attractive piece on the market for Harden...

I’m good with a 3-year window if our likelihood of winning a chip is high enough. Embiid + Beard would create such a scenario.

Sixers would lead the league in fts by a wide margin

[Chris76]

If they are going to trade Simmons i doubt they will go for young players like Fox. The team wants to contend now and with Embiid's injury concerns they will probably want a more established star.

I think Fox is ready to contend. His scoring volume and efficiency have increased each year and he's maintained excellent defense and passing all along. He's young, but he's far enough removed from being a teenager that things should start to be clicking for him by now. He'll be 23 by the time our Christmas Day game rolls around next year (which is around the time guys usually start to "get it").

I wanted Fox to defend quick Pgs next to Simmons, but thought picking him 3rd was a reach. It's amazing how difficult it is to judge prospects.

[Kobblehead]

I wanted Fox to defend quick Pgs next to Simmons, but thought picking him 3rd was a reach. It's amazing how difficult it is to judge prospects.

Yup or it clicks in hindsight when your values change in evaluating prospects. Fultz was a good prospect, but Mitchell and Fox were everything we wanted to pair with Embiid.

[MalagaBulls]

Read on Twitter

Bulls fan in peace: would you do this deal?

I would offer:

1. WCJ
2. Sato
3. Felicio for salary matching purposes
4. 2020 FRP no protection
5. 2022 FRP top 5 protected
6. Trade Thad & filler for another FRP and ship that to Philly as sweetener if necessary.

[VDT]

It doesnt do anything for the SIxers and the value is low. Part of the problem of finding a good trade is that the Sixers dont want picks but want to exchange similar on court value.

[51X3RF4N]

Let's be honest, if Joel wants to go play in Miami with Jimmy, he will find a way to make that happen. The NBA is player/agent driven now.

And Elton would be stupid to trade him to Chicago, Phoenix or anywhere else if he says he wants Miami.

So, what would it take?

This summer....

Start with Bam, Herro, Robinson, Okpala and picks.

Bam/Horford
Harris/Robinson
Korkmaz/Thybulle
Richardson/Herro
Simmons/Shake

Okpala and Zhaire developing in the background. Multiple picks coming from somewhere, maybe a 3rd team that Miami ropes in.

Sixers re-establish the future pipeline while getting better fits on the court to build around Simmons. If Korkmaz fizzles out, then Thybulle gets the start or players get traded for 3&D wing starter.

[PLO]

If they are going to trade Simmons i doubt they will go for young players like Fox. The team wants to contend now and with Embiid's injury concerns they will probably want a more established star.

I think Fox is ready to contend. His scoring volume and efficiency have increased each year and he's maintained excellent defense and passing all along. He's young, but he's far enough removed from being a teenager that things should start to be clicking for him by now. He'll be 23 by the time our Christmas Day game rolls around next year (which is around the time guys usually start to "get it").

I wanted Fox to defend quick Pgs next to Simmons, but thought picking him 3rd was a reach. It's amazing how difficult it is to judge prospects.

One and done guards are VERY hard to project, I reckon.

[VDT]

Let's be honest, if Joel wants to go play in Miami with Jimmy, he will find a way to make that happen. The NBA is player/agent driven now.

And Elton would be stupid to trade him to Chicago, Phoenix or anywhere else if he says he wants Miami.

So, what would it take?

This summer....

Start with Bam, Herro, Robinson, Okpala and picks.

Bam/Horford
Harris/Robinson
Korkmaz/Thybulle
Richardson/Herro
Simmons/Shake

Okpala and Zhaire developing in the background. Multiple picks coming from somewhere, maybe a 3rd team that Miami ropes in.

Sixers re-establish the future pipeline while getting better fits on the court to build around Simmons. If Korkmaz fizzles out, then Thybulle gets the start or players get traded for 3&D wing starter.

This doenst do anything either and Bam doesnt shoot 3s at all so you will have even more fit issues.

[ProcessDoctor]

If we decide Embiid is the way to go, then I’m keeping a *very* close eye on Harden this summer. If Morey gets canned and Houston goes full rebuild, maybe Ben Simmons is the most attractive piece on the market for Harden...

I’m good with a 3-year window if our likelihood of winning a chip is high enough. Embiid + Beard would create such a scenario.

Sixers would lead the league in fts by a wide margin

I’d be fine with that. We’d have two of the most unguardable and efficient players in the league.

[ProcessDoctor]

I think this summer we need to decide if we want to go all in for a chip with Embiid over the next ~3 years (trade Simmons) OR bank on the durability/potential of Simmons and build around him (trade Embiid).