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Post#381 » by VDT » Thu Sep 3, 2020 2:00 am

He is just joking.
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Post#382 » by Bum Adebayo » Thu Sep 3, 2020 12:53 pm

He is not talking about this year, but instead he is talking about last year, he is mad about the combination of losing in game 7 and trading Butler and JJ and instead having this mess of a team, it's just that he is saying it now so that it seems he is talking about losing 0-4 against Celtics.
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Post#383 » by 51X3RF4N » Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:46 am

Maybe since Joel learned how to shoot by watching YouTube vids of white dudes shooting, he can spend the offseason watching YouTube vids of Jokic passing...
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Post#384 » by 76ciology » Wed Sep 16, 2020 6:30 am

51X3RF4N wrote:Maybe since Joel learned how to shoot by watching YouTube vids of white dudes shooting, he can spend the offseason watching YouTube vids of Jokic passing...


True, but I find Jokic scoring 50% from the field and 60TS% more of the thing Biid should learn.

I’m OK with Biid not being as good as a passer than Jokic. Ben can do that. But he should be a better scorer and go to guy down the stretch than Jokic.

Crunch time, when Biid has the ball what I expect are either TOs or not getting calls for a foul.

Then most importantly, he can’t play Jokic level defense :lol:
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Post#385 » by rzzzzz » Wed Sep 16, 2020 5:25 pm

i'd be happy seeing him play a little more like he did when he was at Kansas. that offensive scheme seemed to open up passing lanes and high percentage shots. (some off the ball movement all the way around.)
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Re: Joel Embiid 

Post#386 » by mhunt » Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:42 pm

No All-NBA for Jojo this year.
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Post#387 » by ankle420breaker » Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:27 pm

mhunt wrote:No All-NBA for Jojo this year.
He wrote the handbook this year for how to earn No All NBA Team status. Showed up in piss poor shape with a piss poor attitude and didn't address any of his weaknesses exposed last year.

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Post#388 » by kuclas » Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:29 pm

mhunt wrote:No All-NBA for Jojo this year.


It’s pretty much a cop out by the NBA to go flex forward/center, guard/forward. AD is a power forward but they still gave him his 3rd All NBA center first team.

Joel didn’t have a great year by his standards, he’s obviously one of the top 2 centers in the league with him and Jokic running neck and neck. But combination of injuries, games missed, team’s record (6th seed) pre shutdown. A lot of things against him.

Just hope this motivates him to get into shape. This is the first year he said he’s gone into the off season not dealing with injuries. His rookie season it was his knee, second season was the orbit injury, third season lingering knee issues, fourth season he’s finally healthy.
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Post#389 » by Arsenal » Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:45 pm

Too bad Ben got on 3rd team. Would be better if he was left off to motivate him to shoot.
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Post#390 » by DT RAW » Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:32 am

kuclas wrote:
mhunt wrote:No All-NBA for Jojo this year.


It’s pretty much a cop out by the NBA to go flex forward/center, guard/forward. AD is a power forward but they still gave him his 3rd All NBA center first team.

Joel didn’t have a great year by his standards, he’s obviously one of the top 2 centers in the league with him and Jokic running neck and neck. But combination of injuries, games missed, team’s record (6th seed) pre shutdown. A lot of things against him.

Just hope this motivates him to get into shape. This is the first year he said he’s gone into the off season not dealing with injuries. His rookie season it was his knee, second season was the orbit injury, third season lingering knee issues, fourth season he’s finally healthy.


he went into last offseason healthy for most part no?

its pretty clear at this point ben and joel dont seem intent on doing what REALLY needs to be done to improve. Ben wont become a shooter and embiid wont lose the 30 or 40 pounds and play way lighter like he needs
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Post#391 » by Mik317 » Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:39 am

good

fat boi didn't deserve it

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Re: Joel Embiid 

Post#392 » by kuclas » Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:53 am

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mhunt wrote:No All-NBA for Jojo this year.


It’s pretty much a cop out by the NBA to go flex forward/center, guard/forward. AD is a power forward but they still gave him his 3rd All NBA center first team.

Joel didn’t have a great year by his standards, he’s obviously one of the top 2 centers in the league with him and Jokic running neck and neck. But combination of injuries, games missed, team’s record (6th seed) pre shutdown. A lot of things against him.

Just hope this motivates him to get into shape. This is the first year he said he’s gone into the off season not dealing with injuries. His rookie season it was his knee, second season was the orbit injury, third season lingering knee issues, fourth season he’s finally healthy.


he went into last offseason healthy for most part no?

its pretty clear at this point ben and joel dont seem intent on doing what REALLY needs to be done to improve. Ben wont become a shooter and embiid wont lose the 30 or 40 pounds and play way lighter like he needs

He needs to lose 20 pounds. He’s has a lot more muscle than when he came into the league.

No. Last season (2018-2019) he had lingering knee problems where he basically missed 2/3 of the games after the all star break and missed a game in the playoffs.

This is first true off season he’s been healthy. I thought he looked great in the restart. The Celtics series is what it is. Joel played at a B level if you call 30/13 with very good efficiency a B level. But he clearly didn’t have the impact we are used to seeing in terms of plus/minus on the court. He was a negative on the court for the first time in the playoffs. But he looked heathy

He only needs to play 32 min in regular season. Jokic plays 31-32 minutes in regular season. We killed Joel in 2018-2019 first 50 plus games trying to play him almost 35 min a game. He’s just not made for that. But I still think we can expect an impactful 36-37 min a game during playoffs from embiid next season.
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Re: Joel Embiid 

Post#393 » by Stanford » Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:00 pm

Dude is going to be 30 in no time
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Post#394 » by VDT » Thu Sep 17, 2020 2:12 pm

The team needs to pick a direction. And it starts from the best player on the team.

People wanting Embiid to lose a lot of weight or turn into a pnr big are wrong imo. For one it is impossible for him to weigh as low as when he was in Kansas for obvious reason.

More importantly i dont see the point in trying to force him to be something he is not. You can introduce new aspects to his his game but Embiid will never be a rim runner,nor will he be as agile as the smaller play center nowadays. Centers are largely expected to be roleplayers nowadays, trying to make him fit that mold is not only going to fail but it would be a bad investment of a max contract anyway.

This is a decision that the Sixers should have taken much earlier. Embiid is not this modern roleplaying, screen setting, rim running center that people prefer nowadays. He has different strengths. A competent FO would have decided whether they could build around his strengths (there is no real blueprint in the modern era) and either commit to it or trade him when his value was high.

Doing nothing or trying to turn him into something he is not are the worst options.
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Post#395 » by rzzzzz » Thu Sep 17, 2020 3:59 pm

VDT wrote:Doing nothing or trying to turn him into something he is not are the worst options.


Sam believed that if Biid fully recovered from the foot surgery, he would dominate. and we've seen flashes of it. the two games at the Staples center a couple of years ago, how far he and Jimmy pushed the Raptors, even though he was both sick and injured. and then that glorious 4th qtr in this season's all star game, when the stars actually took it seriously for once. (Raptors are no fools in extending Nick Nurse's contract.) I think Sam pictured him playing with Noel (at pf), Ben, Russell, Stauskas, Covington and the Homie. so maybe that was doomed, even if we did manage to draft Russell, but you sort of get a feel for the kind of team he would have put around him. (I want to believe that he would have moved on to a more adept coach a couple of years ago.)
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Post#396 » by Mik317 » Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:36 pm

keep going back to it but Tim Duncan is the blueprint. He got super skinny later in his career. Its doable. Obviously Embiid will never be Kansas EMbiid again but he can stand to lean up a bit more. I actually think he was in pretty good shape in the bubble but I also think the approach of just "bullying" people is fools gold. Its very similar to Giannis actually. When Giannis is unable to just body fools, his game suddenly becomes easier to deal with. Same goes with Embiid...its why Gasol and Horford give him such problems because they can handle the physicallity. The double team issues is more team based but also in the approach, Embiid needs to face up more and attack or take the shot quicker, this makes the double a harder choice and allows him to see the floor more than having his back to the basket and blind to incoming double. These are "small" things that can be done IMO. adding shooters that defenses actually fear (again same issue the Bucks have) also opens up space as we saw with JJ alone...but also dudes who move off ball. Our sets were super static which made it easy to recover when the big oaf passed out for a change...and even easier since sans Shake none of the guys where probably going to shoot right away anyway lol. This falls on Brett. This falls on the FO. And this falls on Jo...but its not unfixable IMO.


i think everyone is bit too fatalistic and too close to blowing everything up when things don't pan out when smaller adjustments may be the wave, IMO. I don't think post up offense is the way either but this team lacked actual shooters to be feared, anyone who could throw a damn entry pass, and our post up guy telegraphs and/or doesn't work hard always to get great positioning. I think we can see a better version of it with the above things improving even slightly. Again not sure if that is championship worthy but this idea that we must just throw away and go small ball and only jack 3s is overstated. Jokic being a fellow fat lad gave the smaller clippers problems by just being big and fat. AD And Bron went "small" against the Rockets and styled...being bigger is still an advantage that comes in handy. We still probably need someone who can be the perimeter option for when things don't move as smoothly...the real lesson this post season should have taught people is that having various ways to score is the real wave....hell last year should have told us that. Kawhii was godmode last year but they also were able to survive to their spot up shooting via Ibaka and then in the finals from FVF.....while due to injury the Warriors needed Steph to go supernova. Then this year the Clippers choked because Kawhii the robot ran out of juice and their main source of offense was tough contested shots (which don't work on tired legs) while the Nuggets had the size advantage with Jokic and Murray woke up. Which is why this idea that the team should pick one and go all in on that is IMO asking for a sad ending. I will never get why Ben and Jo can't work because of the difference in prefered speed when the center doesn't need to always run and Biid is pretty solid trailer shooter and Ben would benefit from the same type of deadly shooters and creators Biid needs. Both guys still need to fix their issues (Biid leaning up will allow for more of the above trailing and thus a faster space; Ben become a more willing shooter or attacker becomes even better with better shooting around them) but again broken record time, I don't think we were far off that first playoff run in terms of the best team type to surround them with. Find a dribbly shoot guy that Fultz was supposed to be. Get guys who are at least willing to just chuck 3s. Take away fat bois pregame burgers. Threaten to break Ben's PC everytime he passes up open looks...and get a coach who will atleast think about adjusting in games...and see how it goes. THEN if it fails, then maybe think about new directions.
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Re: Joel Embiid 

Post#397 » by VDT » Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:53 pm

The Sixers need to have a halfcourt system and to get that the need to get a ball handler that can create for himself and others. This is something the Sixers have been missing with a small exception when Butler was here. Embiid shouldnt be asked to create every one of his shots. Even Shaq got at least 3-4 easy baskets from his teammates.

Winning with no system and just iso is not sustainable usually. Its the reason the Clippers lost. The problem is that to get the perimeter guy we have to trade Embiid or Simmons.

Simmons is another question, is he still the pg or he is going to play the 4? And if they have given up on him handling the ball what is really his role?
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Post#398 » by 76ciology » Thu Sep 17, 2020 6:35 pm

Mik3 mentioned Duncan. But Spurs pair Duncan with Splitter, if they want to play big and then Duncan with Diaw if they want to play small. The key is being flexible.

Right now, we are like the Rockets. We are at the extreme opposite of style. Lakers can play big or small with AD. While I dont know if Embiid can play at the pace of AD.

Embiid has to lose a lot of weight. Why? Because we need to be flexible. We need him on the court if we need to play small. And quite frankly, we can’t afford him to play with a crazy lethargic level in games. Specially on important ones like recently during the Celts series or some games against the Raptors during the 2019 playoffs.

If he wants to bang players down low, then put Al in the game and slide Biid to PF. This can work on some stretches. Playing really big “bullyball” can be deathball in some match-up, the best example is this season’s Lakers and the game 7 of the Raps series when Raps had 24 more FGAs against use when they had Siakam-Ibaka-Gasol at the 3-4-5 positions.

Then most importantly, he has to FOCUS on playing defense. Because there is no way we can win games if he plans to just trade baskets with other teams, given how offense is ridiculously favored for the perimeter players. And it all starts with having the goal of becoming the best PnR defensive team in the league. He should watch how Gobert improved his defense this season by improving moving his feet whenever he steps out to play defense on PnR

There will be games when playing really big, playing big, playing small and playing microball would be the “deathball” unit of each game or series. Like warfare, the key is flexibility.
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Post#399 » by 76ciology » Thu Sep 17, 2020 6:51 pm

VDT wrote:The Sixers need to have a halfcourt system and to get that the need to get a ball handler that can create for himself and others. This is something the Sixers have been missing with a small exception when Butler was here. Embiid shouldnt be asked to create every one of his shots. Even Shaq got at least 3-4 easy baskets from his teammates.

Winning with no system and just iso is not sustainable usually. Its the reason the Clippers lost. The problem is that to get the perimeter guy we have to trade Embiid or Simmons.

Simmons is another question, is he still the pg or he is going to play the 4? And if they have given up on him handling the ball what is really his role?


Creation should start from perimeter, that is the key.

Even when the purpose of the offense is to post Biid and we’ve done it by running PnR as initial action that leads to Biid post possessions.

The problem is.. how can you run PnR with Biid and Ben? I think you can do it by a 3 man game. We run a similar action on crucial moments with JJ-Biid-Ben.

Ben will be on top of the key, Jj will set a screen for him then pop. If this action is denied, JJ will run a DHO with Biid.
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Re: Joel Embiid 

Post#400 » by Bum Adebayo » Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:31 pm

Yeah, Embiid needs to worry less about offense and worry more about defense, he is not good enough to dominate on offense in playoffs, but he can do damage depending on matchup and situation. But defense, man what a disappointment he has been lately, especially against Celtics, he was not Joel, he was Johleel.

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