elchengue20 wrote: 76ciology wrote:
It's very difficult nowadays to rely on your PF/C to be the go to player. I think only Hakeem won a championship playing that way and still had good shoters and a couple of shot creators around him. Even Shaq needed a Hardaway/Kobe/Wade to make plays for him. Kareem needed Magic. AD as the go to player only played in mediocre teams.
If you don't have a consistent shot creator in the half court, at least you need great spacing, like the Howard Orlando Magic teams(still had Turkoglu and Nelson who were decent shot creators). We don't have neither of those things.
Sure, Ben could learn to shoot and our fit problems would be mainly solved. But i don't see that happening. He hasn't improved in 3 years, he's basically the same player. At this point is more probable to expect Embiid to become an volume above average shooter.
My thoughts exactly and you can backtrack to one of my similar post about this.
It’s a size issue. Centers faced the biggest and best defenders on almost every night. It takes a freak like Shaq or Wilt to be dominant. I think we’re seeing Giannis as really the modern day center. Anyway, I dont see Biid being in that category. And if he does, you have to worry his health.
For me, to make Biid the best or one of the top 3-5 players in the league, you have to slide him to PF where he can take advantage among all PFs and also have the footspeed to stay with them.
Healthwise, losing weight and having also a refined perimeter game helps his longevity and compliments Ben better.
In the end, its the FO’s responsibility to put the players in favorable stage to perform better. And I think Biid at C and having a mobile PF defend Ben is not the way to go. I mean, sure you can have a +1 million NetRtg 5 man unit and brag it on twitter. But come the playoffs, smart team will just neutralized like a yearly parade of the emperor without clothes.
*I already looked at it. PFs had good track record
Even Giannis struggles in close games in the Playoffs. To win it all the Bucks need Middleton/Bledsoe to make plays. That's why i'm not so high on their chances like most people are. Maybe if Giannis continues to make his outside shot things will get a little easier for them this time.
If it were only a size issue, we should be in great shape. With Ben at PG,J-Rich, Tobias, Horford and Embiid we have the biggest lineup in the NBA. That's is our plan, to create mismatches size wise. The problem is most of them aren't good one on one scorers and playmakers, they won't punish mismaches consistenly.
I think it's more of a skill issue. You need players who can create shots in the half court for himself and for others, specially when things get harder in the Playoffs. We only have Biid and as we said, Center is the most difficult position to rely on in those situations, they get doubled more easily.
I get that with our current lineup defense can be great, but still i don't think you can win a championship if your lacking that kind of player. The closest thing we had was Jimmy and we let him walk away. Plus, if you take account that our spacing isn't great, things gets even more difficult in that regard.
I was thinking about this the other day.
I think the problem with the double team at the post is when the center is involved. Because the center then becomes a goalie to protect the rim.
What most of the modern contenders do is they have a stretch 5 with having a more than elite star caliber PF at the paint. Biid can handle double against a PF and a wing or guard, he should have better court vision and when it misses they can crash the board. Another thing with a 5 at the perimeter is they dont have strong footspeed to make good closeouts, that allows you to strengthen your dribble drive attack to compensate having poor dribblers. Imagine BroLo closing out on Al. Al is not that quick with the ball but im sure he can attack the closeout of Brolo.
Then another thing is spacing. First off, we have more floor spacers on the court this season compared to last season given that Butler and Ben are non shooters. Second, i think spacing can be a misconception that favors the 3 ball when I think if you can generate a 4v5 situation at the post with the center outside the paint, that can also spell good spacing even if you have your guys inside the 3pt line.
In the end, its this. It’s not ideal. I love watching the pre durant warriors. I love watching the beautiful game of the Spurs. I hate post ups (only my Jah can burn my desire for this). But this is the cards we’re dealt with.
I think we’re going to try to make a run with this style. Sliding our guys down a position with Al. Neutralizing and creating mismatch. Bullyball. 4 out at most times. Hope for organic growth for our guys (i.e Biid and Ben developing). Then if it fails (likely because we can’t sustain this much salary and talent), then we will have to trade one of Biid or Ben and favor better fits.
Until then, enjoy the ride.
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