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Post#121 » by 76ciology » Mon Oct 5, 2020 7:15 am

If you think about it. It’s the perfect time for a new coach and a new system. Given it sounds like we won’t have the next season started till next february or march. We have enough time to get acclimated with Doc and his system.

Then honestly, this season wont hurt much because the bubble maybe partly a gimmick when we’re going to look at it years from now. Heat will look like how the Knicks were when Larry Johnson carried them to the finals.
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Post#122 » by 76ciology » Mon Oct 5, 2020 9:44 am

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Post#123 » by Sixerscan » Mon Oct 5, 2020 2:53 pm

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The FO and coach should have and do have tools to reach difficult players though. Like 76 brought up.... Doc said before he can only push players that want to be great. He has the clout to be able to say that publicly here directly about those 2 guys, and implement public scrutiny. Take them out in important parts of the game, or minimize their role. Brett did that, and I was impressed at times, but he still stroked their egos publicly. Yet, I do think the coach and front office needs to be able to put this behavior in perspective to the player use it to motivate. Players don't want to be known as team cancers, nor do they want to get traded to Utah, Charlotte, or DC.

Good players want to be coached hard too. Did you not hear what they had to say about nice guy Brett, a day before he was fired.

There have been rumors that Riley had to talk to check Butler about his leadership style. Instead of calling your teammates out for things publicly, work with them to get you to follow you to workout at 4am.


See the issue here?

Riley didn’t call Butler out publicly or embarrass him. There’s little evidence of stuff like that working. If you can’t get through to a guy one on one you’re probably not going to get through to him by going public. Maybe if there’s effort issues on a given night you can say you didn’t think so and so showed up but not something basic about a guy’s game. Think about how Brown trying to challenge Simmons publicly into taking a 3 a game turned out.

Really if Embiid needs to be in reasonable shape and Ben needs to be reasonably confident in his shot before they even show up for training camp. If we’re waiting until we’re a few weeks into the season for Doc to bench one of them it’s probably too late.

Skates is right imo, this is about those two having the right mindset and *allowing* Doc to get them to the next level rather than being something the coach is just supposed to get out of them.


I see what you're saying, and I think we're saying much of the same thing. Embiid being in shape is going to be something that he has to continue to work on during the season too. The only issue I have when Simmons is effort and aggression, not shooting a three(though he should really do it). I don't think calling him out over 3s is productive.

I have seen and know that a coach coming out publicly holding his players accountable is and has been a time honored tradition. Specifically your stars. Not calling someone out in their game, not taking care of their responsibilities. "We need more out of our center defensively or down the stretch";. "We need Ben to attack more, he's at his best when that's his mindset". The media will run with that, and the coach needs to work harder behind the scenes to draw it out. With Ben still being a player under development and very young, that shouldn't be much of an issue for him. Calling out Embiid, by announcing he was winded and that's why he didn't play that much is the type of button pushing Joel responds to. That's of course after doing it privately.

Going back to Skates point and away from the public or not issue. Players want to be coached hard, these players are begging for it. Being told about their effort (whether offensively with Ben or cardio with Jo... My issues) behind the scenes face to face is not treating them like college athletes. If they don't like it, you have to trade them, because they'll never be great the way they are now.


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I'm not saying Embiid shouldn't be in shape to start, but you can survive a guy showing up and playing himself into shape. So if Embiid doesn't show up in shape I'm disappointed but not panicked.

Ben's issue cannot be fixed during the season. If he shows up and still won't shoot then he should be moved at the trade deadline because he's a lost cause. This isn't like Lebron or Giannis trying to learn to shoot a good percentage, this is a guy with the "yips."


Yeah I think we all largely agree. Embiid doesn’t need to be in peak form day 1, but he needs to have the right mindset from day 1 or close to it.

I also don’t want to equate asking Embiid to be in good enough shape to be the focal point of a teams offense and defense as a center for 30-35 mpg (which virtually no one else in the nba is expected to do) with asking Ben to be willing to shoot open jump shots (which 90+% of the NBA is expected to do).
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Post#124 » by phillynative » Mon Oct 5, 2020 3:24 pm

Interested in seeing where Docs head is at as far as Embiid and Ben and the current culture of this team. Especially where he sees Ben and Tobias since they play the same position. I hope someone asks him about Ben not shooting the ball and Embiids conditioning .Also who else is being added to the coaching staff.

Hopefully they ask him about the current roster. Does he feel we have too many bigs? We need a PG? more shooters? Does he want Biid in the post more or less going forward? The bench?
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Post#125 » by 76ciology » Mon Oct 5, 2020 5:08 pm

Live conference now
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Post#126 » by Stanford » Mon Oct 5, 2020 5:09 pm

76ciology wrote:Live conference now


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Post#127 » by 76ciology » Mon Oct 5, 2020 5:12 pm

I just realized how Doc played with Pat Ewing in NY then later he coached him at Orlando.
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Post#128 » by 76ciology » Mon Oct 5, 2020 5:16 pm

LOL at Neubeck. This accountability question was smart (who should have accountability, the coach or the players). He has to threw someone under the bus. Doc was smart to say that everyone should be accountable
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Post#129 » by phillynative » Mon Oct 5, 2020 5:18 pm

Im happy he atleast added the front office and training camp to the accountability answer.
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Post#130 » by phillynative » Mon Oct 5, 2020 5:20 pm

He says he sees Elton as a partner and they will work together.. So he will obviously have a say in the changes going forward ..
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Post#131 » by phillynative » Mon Oct 5, 2020 5:24 pm

...He loved tobias..He mentioned Tobias being a big 3 and a quick 4 and how he used him back him forth as so. He also mentioned the success of the P&R with him...
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Post#132 » by 76ciology » Mon Oct 5, 2020 5:36 pm

“Everyone wants to be like goldenstate, but nobody can shoot like goldenstate then everyone made the mistake” - Doc
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Post#133 » by 76ciology » Mon Oct 5, 2020 5:38 pm

phillynative wrote:He says he sees Elton as a partner and they will work together.. So he will obviously have a say in the changes going forward ..


Yup. Listen to his interview with Woj. He emphasized the importance on the FO and the coaching staff to be one team. This is one of the reason why he was part of the Clips FO last season.
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Post#134 » by phillynative » Mon Oct 5, 2020 5:39 pm

...He wants to speed up the pace and get them Top 10 in offense...

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Post#135 » by 76ciology » Mon Oct 5, 2020 5:40 pm

76ciology wrote:“Everyone wants to be like goldenstate, but nobody can shoot like goldenstate then everyone made the mistake” - Doc


He was asked if he will play small. He said the team should be who it is. He pointed out how Lakers even played extra big. And he sees 3-4 line-up where the team can create advantage.
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Post#136 » by phillynative » Mon Oct 5, 2020 5:51 pm

Even if Ben goes back to PG i believe we still need another ball handler/playmaker. Imo doc seemed romanticized about the idea of Ben and Biid being young big name talents also what they have done against his teams..So who knows if his presense will be about taking them to another level or riding their coattails and being content with a winning percentage. A regular season team
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Post#137 » by Sixersftw » Mon Oct 5, 2020 6:04 pm

A bit of a nothing presser and understandably so. I love that he already sounds tired of Eskin's ****.
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Post#138 » by phillynative » Mon Oct 5, 2020 6:20 pm

Hes on Mike mess now. Maybe he gets tougher questions..
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Post#139 » by phillynative » Mon Oct 5, 2020 6:23 pm

...He would like to see Embiid more at the elbow and more movement...

..still saying hes not as concerned of bens shot as everyone else...

Mike keeps pressing him about it lol
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Post#140 » by Bum Adebayo » Mon Oct 5, 2020 6:24 pm

Doesn't matter if you like him or not, he is much better than Brett for sure, massive upgrade. If we keep underperforming it is on the players.

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