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Re: Around the League: 2020 Offseason 

Post#381 » by Stanford » Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:35 am

the_process wrote:I'd also like to throw out the prediction here that OKC gets Horford to like 17 & 8, and gets assets to trade him next offseason.


12 and 7 but yeah, they're getting something for him next offseason, guaranteed.
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Re: Around the League: 2020 Offseason 

Post#382 » by 76ciology » Tue Nov 24, 2020 4:56 am

Next season teams that fallout from big FA sweepstakes tend to overpay for guys like of Al’s caliber.
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Re: Around the League: 2020 Offseason 

Post#383 » by 76ciology » Tue Nov 24, 2020 5:41 am

Should we take our chances on IT? Minimum? Free roll?

Our team can hide a guard’s defense. IT can play that Lou Will role off the bench.
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Re: Around the League: 2020 Offseason 

Post#384 » by XtremeDunkz » Tue Nov 24, 2020 10:15 am

76ciology wrote:Should we take our chances on IT? Minimum? Free roll?

Our team can hide a guard’s defense. IT can play that Lou Will role off the bench.
IT can barely move his hips. He's cooked. Unless his recent rehab really worked wonders he's useless on both ends.

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Re: Around the League: 2020 Offseason 

Post#385 » by Kobblehead » Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:05 pm

76ciology wrote:Our team can hide a guard’s defense.

Impossible in the switch everything era.

The only way to hide a bad defensive player in the modern NBA is to field other bad defensive players (LOL) like we did in the playoffs last year to hide Harris. Teams were so preoccupied lighting up Richardson, Milton and Korkmaz, they forgot to attack Tobias.
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Re: Around the League: 2020 Offseason 

Post#386 » by youngcrev » Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:06 pm

the_process wrote:I'd also like to throw out the prediction here that OKC gets Horford to like 17 & 8, and gets assets to trade him next offseason.


Probably. At that point Al will have one year and a partially guaranteed 2nd year, so if he plays well (17 points feels pretty optimistic...) he should be flippable for either an expiring or a worse contract+assets.
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Re: Around the League: 2020 Offseason 

Post#387 » by youngcrev » Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:09 pm

Kobblehead wrote:
76ciology wrote:Our team can hide a guard’s defense.

Impossible in the switch everything era.

The only way to hide a bad defensive player in the modern NBA is to field other bad defensive players (LOL) like we did in the playoffs last year to hide Harris. Teams were so preoccupied lighting up Richardson, Milton and Korkmaz, they forgot to attack Tobias.


If that's the case then let's just triple down on bad defensive players that can score the ball if they're just going to relentlessly attack a weak link. Just overwhelm them with advantageous matchups. They'll never know what hit them!
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Re: Around the League: 2020 Offseason 

Post#388 » by Kobblehead » Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:13 pm

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Kobblehead wrote:
76ciology wrote:Our team can hide a guard’s defense.

Impossible in the switch everything era.

The only way to hide a bad defensive player in the modern NBA is to field other bad defensive players (LOL) like we did in the playoffs last year to hide Harris. Teams were so preoccupied lighting up Richardson, Milton and Korkmaz, they forgot to attack Tobias.


If that's the case then let's just triple down on bad defensive players that can score the ball if they're just going to relentlessly attack a weak link. Just overwhelm them with advantageous matchups. They'll never know what hit them!

Seth Curry is a good start.

Now we just need to get Harrison Barnes and Buddy Hield.

Space & Sieve will be the new trend in the NBA.
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Re: Around the League: 2020 Offseason 

Post#389 » by youngcrev » Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:15 pm

XtremeDunkz wrote:
76ciology wrote:Should we take our chances on IT? Minimum? Free roll?

Our team can hide a guard’s defense. IT can play that Lou Will role off the bench.
IT can barely move his hips. He's cooked. Unless his recent rehab really worked wonders he's useless on both ends.

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He did get some type of procedure done is May and there was a Woj article about him feeling great. A camp invite couldn't hurt (well, other than having one less player that you think has a better shot at making the team), but that guy's margin for being a contributing player are just so small at his size. Maybe teams running more zone concepts could help hide him.
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Re: Around the League: 2020 Offseason 

Post#390 » by youngcrev » Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:18 pm

Kobblehead wrote:
youngcrev wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:Impossible in the switch everything era.

The only way to hide a bad defensive player in the modern NBA is to field other bad defensive players (LOL) like we did in the playoffs last year to hide Harris. Teams were so preoccupied lighting up Richardson, Milton and Korkmaz, they forgot to attack Tobias.


If that's the case then let's just triple down on bad defensive players that can score the ball if they're just going to relentlessly attack a weak link. Just overwhelm them with advantageous matchups. They'll never know what hit them!

Seth Curry is a good start.

Now we just need to get Harrison Barnes and Buddy Hield.

Space & Sieve will be the new trend in the NBA.


Barnes can at least kinda stay with guys athletically (plus kinda low-key sucks on offense). Ryan Anderson doing anything these days? Isaiah Thomas was mentioned, he'd be amazing for that strategy
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Re: Around the League: 2020 Offseason 

Post#391 » by phillynative » Tue Nov 24, 2020 4:12 pm

Kobblehead wrote:
76ciology wrote:Our team can hide a guard’s defense.

Impossible in the switch everything era.

The only way to hide a bad defensive player in the modern NBA is to field other bad defensive players (LOL) like we did in the playoffs last year to hide Harris. Teams were so preoccupied lighting up Richardson, Milton and Korkmaz, they forgot to attack Tobias.

:lol: :lol:

As far as Tobias I think they just forgot he was on the floor.
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Re: Around the League: 2020 Offseason 

Post#392 » by 76ciology » Tue Nov 24, 2020 4:31 pm

Kobblehead wrote:
76ciology wrote:Our team can hide a guard’s defense.

Impossible in the switch everything era.

The only way to hide a bad defensive player in the modern NBA is to field other bad defensive players (LOL) like we did in the playoffs last year to hide Harris. Teams were so preoccupied lighting up Richardson, Milton and Korkmaz, they forgot to attack Tobias.


Well i’ll go further. It’s impossible to get all bases covered.

If you watch the Nuggets and Jazz series both teams would just run 1-5 PnRs all game. This lead to Murray and Mitchell getting their 40-50 pts. When Murray dropped 50, was if because Mitchell was a liability on defense?

So between a liability like Seth and a PG with elite defense like Jrue. The defense doesnt matter much when you just run heavy 1-5 PnR. This is why defense at the PG position impacts little IMO because they are usually just being erased by the screen play, unless they would opt to switch with the big who set the screen.

Why do I say we got the personnel to hide the defense?

We can do pre-switch with Ben, Green or Tobi all 3 are mobile wings.


All 3 multiple wings can slow the ball handler, rotate on defense if being blown away and have Embiid or D12 to protect the rim. Or we can ICE the 2 man game then turn it into a shooting contest like how Mitchell and Murray did or try to deflect the ball from behind the shot like how our guys (thybulle and Jrich) likes it this would force the guard to drive to the rim where they will be met by our wings and big.

Lastly, another way is to play how the Heat did it against the Celtics. Run a zone defense. This messed up Kemba’s PnR game and Tatum’s ISO game.

I think you can get away with Milton or Seth’s defense. But not possible with IT though because you’re basically playing 4v5 defense. But IT is playable say you’re up against a weak 5 man unit made up of guys in the 2nd unit and maybe some starters where IT can light it up on offense. That is if he still has it in him. This guy at his peak averaged around 30 with around 60TS%.

The league really has turned it into a scoring contest. This is why there were several 5 man units that are league best yet undersized at the 1-3 positions. You have the OKC’s Cp3-Shroeder-Shai and Mavs emulated it with Seth-Doncic-THJ during the playoffs.

Overall, your primary focus should be offense and secondary is defense. Both are important it’s just there is a big imbalance between offense and defense.

Why was Tobi not hunted on defense?

Between Kemba taking a wide open mid range shot off a 1-5 PnR and Tatum taking a challenged shot by Tobi (Tobi is defending Hayward actually), which would you choose?
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Re: Around the League: 2020 Offseason 

Post#393 » by phillynative » Tue Nov 24, 2020 8:58 pm

Is Reggie Jackson not worth worth the minimum?
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Re: Around the League: 2020 Offseason 

Post#394 » by spikeslovechild » Tue Nov 24, 2020 10:43 pm

Don't we still have the midlevel? I don't see really anyone available.

I mean Melton got 9M. Crazy
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Re: Around the League: 2020 Offseason 

Post#395 » by Arsenal » Wed Nov 25, 2020 12:38 am

Kemba Walker has continuing knee problems. Apparently won't be ready for the start of the season.

The East really took a step back this offseason. The #2 seed is definitely within reach.
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Re: Around the League: 2020 Offseason 

Post#396 » by Stanford » Wed Nov 25, 2020 12:59 am

Arsenal wrote:Kemba Walker has continuing knee problems. Apparently won't be ready for the start of the season.

The East really took a step back this offseason. The #2 seed is definitely within reach.


Don't do this to me, Arsenal.

Sucks about Kemba because I think he'd be perfect here.
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Re: Around the League: 2020 Offseason 

Post#397 » by the_process » Wed Nov 25, 2020 1:19 am

Arsenal wrote:Kemba Walker has continuing knee problems. Apparently won't be ready for the start of the season.

The East really took a step back this offseason. The #2 seed is definitely within reach.


We have to see how Jo and Ben come back. If their games still show no improvement, the 2nd seed is far out of reach for this team.
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Re: Around the League: 2020 Offseason 

Post#398 » by Arsenal » Wed Nov 25, 2020 1:20 am

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Arsenal wrote:Kemba Walker has continuing knee problems. Apparently won't be ready for the start of the season.

The East really took a step back this offseason. The #2 seed is definitely within reach.


Don't do this to me, Arsenal.

Sucks about Kemba because I think he'd be perfect here.


We had our chance to get Kemba but signed Al Horford instead. That ship has sailed.

Too bad about the Celtics though. The entire massive war chest... all gone.

We're not the only ones who can blow through a massive asset stash with little to show for it.
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Re: Around the League: 2020 Offseason 

Post#399 » by Arsenal » Wed Nov 25, 2020 1:27 am

the_process wrote:
Arsenal wrote:Kemba Walker has continuing knee problems. Apparently won't be ready for the start of the season.

The East really took a step back this offseason. The #2 seed is definitely within reach.


We have to see how Jo and Ben come back. If their games still show no improvement, the 2nd seed is far out of reach for this team.


Jo and Ben were fine last year. The problem was the trash around them that stifled their game and the whole team. That problem is fixed now I predict.
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Re: Around the League: 2020 Offseason 

Post#400 » by Stanford » Wed Nov 25, 2020 1:40 am

Arsenal wrote:We had our chance to get Kemba but signed Al Horford instead. That ship has sailed.


Sure, but how much trade value does Kemba really have right now? And there are serious questions about his ability to be effective in the playoffs.

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