Fantasy Trade Thread: 2020 Offseason

[Negrodamus]

Tobias + Seth + Shake for Harrison Barnes + Buddy Hield

Please god no.

What about with a pick swap?

If that puts us in Bouknight or Moody territory, I'd consider; but I don't really see this move as something that will get us closer to a championship. Hield and Barnes have no rapport with Ben or Embiid and a rookie, albeit very good one, would not really add anything imminently.

[Kobblehead]

Harris is another playoff flop away from me making this deal.

Hield is a lot of things, but he's a fearless slinger with a relentless trigger. Which automatically makes him more desirable than they cautious Curry and Harris protecting their shooting percentages.

Also, picking in the top 10 allows us a chance at an all-level creator like Tre Mann that has allstar upside.

[Foshan]

Please god no.

What about with a pick swap?

If that puts us in Bouknight or Moody territory, I'd consider; but I don't really see this move as something that will get us closer to a championship. Hield and Barnes have no rapport with Ben or Embiid and a rookie, albeit very good one, would not really add anything imminently.

I would say the pick swap would be a must. That is a ton of money to two guys who haven't ever produced winning basketball.

[76ciology]

Harris is another playoff flop away from me making this deal.

Hield is a lot of things, but he's a fearless slinger with a relentless trigger. Which automatically makes him more desirable than they cautious Curry and Harris protecting their shooting percentages.

Also, picking in the top 10 allows us a chance at an all-level creator like Tre Mann that has allstar upside.

Yup.

What’s Harris edge over Hield? Create and defense.

Do I value Harris’ ability to create and defense? i don’t.

We need a guy like Hield who can jack up bazillion of 3s with good %.

But the problem is Harris is way more valuable than Hield.

How do we compensate the differenc? That top 10 pick.

The top 10 pick also opens up for other options like attaching it to a Ben Simmons trade or a treasure chest of picks and young players package.

[Wilfried]

Harris is another playoff flop away from me making this deal.

Hield is a lot of things, but he's a fearless slinger with a relentless trigger. Which automatically makes him more desirable than they cautious Curry and Harris protecting their shooting percentages.

Also, picking in the top 10 allows us a chance at an all-level creator like Tre Mann that has allstar upside.

Let's see what Harris is worth this play-offs (and not only in round 1 and 2, against the easier teams) before we think the guy is an incredible value

I think this deal would help us very much, Hield is a fearless shooter, can drive a bit. Barnes is pretty underrated, good shooter for the 4 position and has more experience than Harris.

The more I look at our team, the more I feel Harris is the odd man. He's good at almost everything, but not good enough at anything to be a championship calibre type of player.

Hield and Barnes would give us more shooting and versatility. We also safe money in the long haul and get more flexibility for future trades.

[76ciology]

Harris is another playoff flop away from me making this deal.

Hield is a lot of things, but he's a fearless slinger with a relentless trigger. Which automatically makes him more desirable than they cautious Curry and Harris protecting their shooting percentages.

Also, picking in the top 10 allows us a chance at an all-level creator like Tre Mann that has allstar upside.

Let's see what Harris is worth this play-offs (and not only in round 1 and 2, against the easier teams) before we think the guy is an incredible value

I think this deal would help us very much, Hield is a fearless shooter, can drive a bit. Barnes is pretty underrated, good shooter for the 4 position and has more experience than Harris.

The more I look at our team, the more I feel Harris is the odd man. He's good at almost everything, but not good enough at anything to be a championship calibre type of player.

Hield and Barnes would give us more shooting and versatility. We also safe money in the long haul and get more flexibility for future trades.

Yup I also think so.

Even if we trade Ben, I’ll still be looking to trade Harris for assets that can glue the new guy and Biid and round up the roster.

[stormi]

Seth upgrade ideas?

Ben conundrum aside, he's my least favorite starter currently on this team. Just too small and limited, like 2017-2019 Redick was, but smaller and without the borderline unguardable two man synergy with Joel Embiid and contested shot making ability.

[Foshan]

Seth upgrade ideas?

Ben conundrum aside, he's my least favorite starter currently on this team. Just too small and limited, like 2017-2019 Redick was, but smaller and without the borderline unguardable two man synergy with Joel Embiid and contested shot making ability.

I almost wonder if this one isn't staring us in the face. Could Shake be that guy?

[Kobblehead]

Depends on what the decision-makers are trying to do.

Are we look for a guy with actual guard skills or just another spot-up shooter.

We have a few spot-up shooters in house (Korkmaz, Joe).
We have a guy with real G skills (Maxey).
We have a guy that can spot up a little bit and dribble and create a little bit (Milton).

Milton is probably the best middle-ground guy to go with.

[ProcessDoctor]

Warming up more to the idea of Harris/Thybulle for CJ/Covington, even though we lose value financially. The make or break would be the feasibility of retaining Covington.


McCollum/Hill/Maxey
Green/Curry/Milton
Covington/FA/Joe
Simmons/FA/pick
Embiid/Howard/Reed

[Eyeamok]

Seth upgrade ideas?

Ben conundrum aside, he's my least favorite starter currently on this team. Just too small and limited, like 2017-2019 Redick was, but smaller and without the borderline unguardable two man synergy with Joel Embiid and contested shot making ability.

I almost wonder if this one isn't staring us in the face. Could Shake be that guy?

I would absolutely love for Shake to be that guy. But Shake is so erratic. He will have stretches where he looks so good and then others where you can say Yeah I can see why you were picked so low. And he may be somewhat of a shrinking violet ! Does he show up for big games ? Can he be counted on? Does he still want to physically challenge Embiid, in the middle of a game where there are people to hold Embiid back, if Embiid calls him out?

[ProcessDoctor]

Pipedream, but Simmons for Kawhi S&T this summer after LA flops in the 1st round.


Curry/Hill/Maxey
Green/Milton/Joe
Kawhi/Thybulle/FA
Harris/FA/FRP
Embiid/Howard/Reed

[the_process]

Pipedream, but Simmons for Kawhi S&T this summer after LA flops in the 1st round.


Curry/Hill/Maxey
Green/Milton/Joe
Kawhi/Thybulle/FA
Harris/FA/FRP
Embiid/Howard/Reed

Total pipe dream. But I have no idea if Kawhi wants to win or he just wants to be at home. Not sure if Kawhi knows what he wants. That injury in the playoffs back in, 2017?, really messed with his head.

[ProcessDoctor]

Pipedream, but Simmons for Kawhi S&T this summer after LA flops in the 1st round.


Curry/Hill/Maxey
Green/Milton/Joe
Kawhi/Thybulle/FA
Harris/FA/FRP
Embiid/Howard/Reed

Total pipe dream. But I have no idea if Kawhi wants to win or he just wants to be at home. Not sure if Kawhi knows what he wants. That injury in the playoffs back in, 2017?, really messed with his head.

If PG13 became available, would you swap Ben for him?

[zaz102]

Pipedream, but Simmons for Kawhi S&T this summer after LA flops in the 1st round.


Curry/Hill/Maxey
Green/Milton/Joe
Kawhi/Thybulle/FA
Harris/FA/FRP
Embiid/Howard/Reed

Total pipe dream. But I have no idea if Kawhi wants to win or he just wants to be at home. Not sure if Kawhi knows what he wants. That injury in the playoffs back in, 2017?, really messed with his head.

If PG13 became available, would you swap Ben for him?

I would in a vacuum, but I think the history between him and Doc/Seth makes the question more interesting.

[Negrodamus]

It all obviously depends on the inner workings of the front offices and the relationships within the teams, but I find it incredibly difficult to create a trade for Ben. It's either teams that suck too much with promising players that they'll likely not want to pull that trigger or older guys whose windows are closing.

I'm alone on this, but I think a (slightly tampering) deal that makes sense is sign and trade DeRozan + either a first or Lonnie Walker for Ben with the promise that Kyle Lowry signs a sweetheart deal. I know Lowry and DeRozan are big friends and would possibly want to play together again.

Lowry
DeRozan
Green/Thybulle
Harris
Embiid

That team slaughters the Wizards today.

[Kobblehead]

It all obviously depends on the inner workings of the front offices and the relationships within the teams, but I find it incredibly difficult to create a trade for Ben. It's either teams that suck too much with promising players that they'll likely not want to pull that trigger or older guys whose windows are closing.

That's why I think Fox and Ingram are the best and most likely trade targets.

Young creators on $30m+ contracts that happen to be on lotto teams.

Simmons is an impact on winning guy and could help propel those lotto teams to the playoffs.

[Negrodamus]

It all obviously depends on the inner workings of the front offices and the relationships within the teams, but I find it incredibly difficult to create a trade for Ben. It's either teams that suck too much with promising players that they'll likely not want to pull that trigger or older guys whose windows are closing.

That's why I think Fox and Ingram are the best and most likely trade targets.

Young creators on $30m+ contracts that happen to be on lotto teams.

Simmons is an impact on winning guy and could help propel those lotto teams to the playoffs.

Yea, I just don't see the Pelicans wanting to pair Ben with Zion nor do I think Ben adds anything on offense over what Fox does. He's probably a better defender, but I doubt they value that in Sacramento.

[ProcessDoctor]

I would honestly consider trading him for LaVine + Thad + a FRP.

Hill/Maxey/Milton
LaVine/Curry/Joe
Green/Thybulle/FRP
Harris/Thad/SRP
Embiid/Howard/Reed

[LloydFree]

Total pipe dream. But I have no idea if Kawhi wants to win or he just wants to be at home. Not sure if Kawhi knows what he wants. That injury in the playoffs back in, 2017?, really messed with his head.

If PG13 became available, would you swap Ben for him?

I would in a vacuum, but I think the history between him and Doc/Seth makes the question more interesting.

Doc's daughter/Curry's wife makes that a no go.