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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread: 2020 Offseason 

Post#401 » by Kobblehead » Sun Nov 22, 2020 5:20 pm

I would do that deal, pretty easily.

Neither Harris or Love can defend, so you might as well take the better shooter and better rebounder and that's Kevin.

Garland is a tiny shotcreater that we can use in the short term and, like you said, flip down the line.

Between Garland, Maxey and our eventual signing of Austin Rivers, we'd have a small handful of guys that can get buckets in the halfcourt in their sleep (albeit while being a bunch of defensive zeroes in the process, though).
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread: 2020 Offseason 

Post#402 » by the_process » Sun Nov 22, 2020 5:28 pm

76ciology wrote:Cavs:
Tobias Harris
Korkmaz
Milton
- Tobias is a younger replacement for Love
- Cavs doesnt care about cap because nobody would wanf to sign there
- Milton replaces Garland as a shooter to play with Sexton
- Milton is no slouch. 15ppg 47FG% 40 3pt% and 85FT% in the playoffs.
- Korkmaz is Lord Korkmaz. He should not be disrespected.

Cavs Starting 5:
Sexton
Milton
Okoro
Tobias
Drummond


Sixers:
Kevin Love
Darius Garland

Reason:
- love’s contract is one year shorter
garland can be a valuable trade chip for rebuilding team
- Love can space the floor
- Love prevents PFs defending Ben, because Love can post smaller players with .94ppp on post ups.
- Garland and Seth can play the JJ role

Sixers starting 5
Seth
Green
Ben
Love
Biid

^ that looks like a starting 5 analytics would love


Cavs would want all the 1sts to make that trade :lol:
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread: 2020 Offseason 

Post#403 » by Jkam31 » Sun Nov 22, 2020 8:40 pm

the_process wrote:
76ciology wrote:I’d do a Hield for Tobi straight up.

The catch? They absorb Tobi’s extra millions with their cap.

I could be wrong but that cap space can be another $10m trade exemption that we can use

For the kings, this solves their log jam at the G position with bogdan and haliburton


Sign me up! But I do not see any way the Kings do that without multiple draft picks coming back to them.


We wouldn’t do it with multiple picks coming
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread: 2020 Offseason 

Post#404 » by Dnt hate » Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:07 am

76ciology wrote:Ive been doing Tobi to Bobcats. Believing that Bobcats is one of those franchise who’d gladly overpay (salary) for Tobi. They just did it with Hayward.

We should definitely keep Tobias 1 more year and see how he does with Doc, if he plays how he did with the Clippers we have a great shot at a ring
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread: 2020 Offseason 

Post#405 » by 76ciology » Mon Nov 23, 2020 5:28 am

Kobblehead wrote:I would do that deal, pretty easily.

Neither Harris or Love can defend, so you might as well take the better shooter and better rebounder and that's Kevin.

Garland is a tiny shotcreater that we can use in the short term and, like you said, flip down the line.

Between Garland, Maxey and our eventual signing of Austin Rivers, we'd have a small handful of guys that can get buckets in the halfcourt in their sleep (albeit while being a bunch of defensive zeroes in the process, though).


What I like about Love over Harris is Love can punish SFs compared to Tobi.

If opponents has to put their PFs on Love then Love can step out, you take away the PF who can help their C protect the rim.

It’s like having Al but the difference is Love is a way better shooter and much better in attacking close outs. Love can also is reliable to get you 20-30pts where as Al is living in his natural habitat of 12-15ppg.

The contracts are almost the same. But Tobi is a year younger. You see the Bobcats (Cavs on the same tier) wouldnt mind overpaying Hayward to stay relevant.

Let’s be honest, Love is only good for like 2 more seasons. And this is where Garland for Milton trade comes in to compensate for it. And we’ll never know, Milton may even end up being a better player than Garland.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread: 2020 Offseason 

Post#406 » by Olabikkel » Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:51 pm

Should we trade khorkmaz and Scott for bjelica? Bjelica is a little bit better than Scott i think. Would sacramento agree? Maybe even give us 2nd rnd pick?

Bjelica and korkmaz are not yet guaranteed for this season.
It would create another roster spot.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread: 2020 Offseason 

Post#407 » by Kobblehead » Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:44 pm

With how much the league overrates shooting, I'd imagine the Kings would get a better return for Bjelica if they shopped him around. They would have to be unusually high on Korkmaz.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread: 2020 Offseason 

Post#408 » by Arsenal » Wed Nov 25, 2020 1:48 am

Kings trade: SG Buddy Hield, F Harrison Barnes

Sixers trade: F Tobias Harris, SG Seth Curry

Kings get rid of a malcontent and get back a steady 20ppg scorer at PF, plus a replacement shooter who'll be ok coming off the bench.

Sixers move on from Tobias and get a sniper who'll hold up better as a starter, and a replacement forward.

Total money is very similar over the next several years.

Sixers lineup:
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SG Green
SF Simmons
PF Barnes
CE Embiid

Kings lineup:
PG Fox
SG Halliburton
SF Bogi
PF Harris
CE Bagley
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread: 2020 Offseason 

Post#409 » by 76ciology » Wed Nov 25, 2020 8:09 am

The only Hield trade I’m going to consider is Tobi for Hield then Kings has to absorb the extra 10m difference in Tobi’s contract. I’ll maybe add Furk in there just to make it easier for them to swallow.

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Another variation is..

Hield
Jabari Parker (7m expiring)

For

Tobi
Furkan
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread: 2020 Offseason 

Post#410 » by 76ciology » Wed Nov 25, 2020 6:09 pm

Cavs:
Danny Green (15M expiring)
8m trade exemption
Terrance Ferguson (4M expiring)
Mike Scort (5m expiring)
Tony Bradley (3.7M expiring)
Shake Milton

Why?
35M worth of cap space to compensate for any value loss between Garland and Milton

Kings:
Tobias Harris
2039 and 2041 2nd rounders

Why?
Hield wants to go.
...to Sixers

Sixers:
Buddy Hield
Kevin Love (1 year shorter than Tobi’s contract)
Darius Garland
Jabari Parker (7m expiring)

Sixers Starting 5:
Seth Curry (one of the top shooters in the league)
Buddy Hield (19ppg)
Ben Simmons (17ppg)
Kevin Love (17ppg)
Joel Embiid (20+ppg)
^ starting 5 that can score and shoot. Love is a great fit with Ben, it forces defenders to put the smaller forward on Ben given Love’s size.

Back-up
Maxey
Gardland
Korkmaz
Thybulle
D12

Reason:
Arguably a more talented team short term.

Definitely a more promising team long term. You have two promising bets for a third star between Maxey and Garland.

Short term cap relief, by Jabari’s expiring.

Then long term cap relief with Tobi’s contract shorter than Love’s. I believe we’ll have a ton of cap during the offseason when Love’s contract expires (same year with Biid’s).

*i think Garland and Sexton are interchangeable
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread: 2020 Offseason 

Post#411 » by ProcessDoctor » Wed Nov 25, 2020 6:10 pm

I’d take on Barnes if it meant offloading Harris. Harris/Scott/Ferguson for Hield/Barnes.


Simmons(16)/Curry(28)/Milton(4)
Hield(32)/Milton(16)
Green(24)/Thybulle(24)
Barnes(30)/Simmons(18)
Embiid(30)/Howard(18)


Simmons/Curry/Maxey
Hield/Milton/Joe
Green/Thybulle/Korkmaz
Barnes/FA/Reed
Embiid/Howard/Bradley
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Simmons/Milton/Maxey
Curry/Korkmaz/Joe
Green/Thybulle/Ferguson
Harris/Scott/Reed
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread: 2020 Offseason 

Post#412 » by 51X3RF4N » Wed Nov 25, 2020 8:42 pm

Ugly thing is Tobias is owed $146M the next 4 years.

Combine Hield and Barnes only owed $145M next 4 years, and only $21M to Hield in year 4 with Barnes off the books, meanwhile $39M to Tobias that same year.

I think we need to face facts that Tobias isn't going anywhere any time soon. NOBODY wants that contract. It's TURRIBLE.

Hield and Barnes for Tobias, every pick swap, use full TPE from Horford trade, 3 future 1sts from Sixers is still a good deal for Philly.
ProcessDoctor wrote:I’d take on Barnes if it meant offloading Harris. Harris/Scott/Ferguson for Hield/Barnes.


Simmons(16)/Curry(28)/Milton(4)
Hield(32)/Milton(16)
Green(24)/Thybulle(24)
Barnes(30)/Simmons(18)
Embiid(30)/Howard(18)


Simmons/Curry/Maxey
Hield/Milton/Joe
Green/Thybulle/Korkmaz
Barnes/FA/Reed
Embiid/Howard/Bradley


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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread: 2020 Offseason 

Post#413 » by Kobblehead » Thu Nov 26, 2020 5:45 am

76ciology wrote:
Spoiler:
Cavs:
Danny Green (15M expiring)
8m trade exemption
Terrance Ferguson (4M expiring)
Mike Scort (5m expiring)
Tony Bradley (3.7M expiring)
Shake Milton

Why?
35M worth of cap space to compensate for any value loss between Garland and Milton

Kings:
Tobias Harris
2039 and 2041 2nd rounders

Why?
Hield wants to go.
...to Sixers

Sixers:
Buddy Hield
Kevin Love (1 year shorter than Tobi’s contract)
Darius Garland
Jabari Parker (7m expiring)

Sixers Starting 5:
Seth Curry (one of the top shooters in the league)
Buddy Hield (19ppg)
Ben Simmons (17ppg)
Kevin Love (17ppg)
Joel Embiid (20+ppg)
^ starting 5 that can score and shoot. Love is a great fit with Ben, it forces defenders to put the smaller forward on Ben given Love’s size.

Back-up
Maxey
Gardland
Korkmaz
Thybulle
D12

Reason:
Arguably a more talented team short term.

Definitely a more promising team long term. You have two promising bets for a third star between Maxey and Garland.

Short term cap relief, by Jabari’s expiring.

Then long term cap relief with Tobi’s contract shorter than Love’s. I believe we’ll have a ton of cap during the offseason when Love’s contract expires (same year with Biid’s).

*i think Garland and Sexton are interchangeable


I think you ventured too far into spacing and too far away from defense. That said, I think many would agree with you and I know I'm in the minority there.

I'm just trying to look at it through the lens of a playoff series:
1. Who scores in the halfcourt (Maxey, Garland) <-- the right skillsets, but a lot of youth, inexperienced
2. Who can be targeted and exploited <-- he whole team except for Simmons, Thybulle. we won't get any stops
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread: 2020 Offseason 

Post#414 » by 76ciology » Thu Nov 26, 2020 6:05 am

Kings:
Tobias Harris

Why: Hield wants out and has no position with Haliburton’s addition. Tobi is better than Hield on ISO (1.3ppp in the playoffs; and less liable on defense)

Fox-Haliburton-Tobi-Bjelica-Whiteside is a good starting unit

Bobcats:
Buddy Hield
Jabari Parker (7m expiring)


Why: Solves the clog at PG. Tobi and Hayward gives them shooting and scoring, good for a mediocre team.

Parker’s expiring gives you short term cap relief while Hield’s contract value decreases.

Lamelo-Graham-Hayward-Tobi-Center
- pick and roll from your guards, 18-20ppg scoring from wing, just need a cheap C who can defend

Cavs:
28M expiring (Tyler Zeller, Tony Bradley, Mike Scott and Ferguson)
8m trade exemption from Al Trade
Shake Milton
2021 Sixers 1st Round Pick


Why:
- Cap Relief for the Cavs (they could do what Presti has done by absorbing salaries in exchange for picks; basically im saying that the cap relief they received is equivalent to a first round pick). For instance, Cavs can absorb John Wall’s contract for a future first round pick
- Milton can both play with Sexton and Okoro
- worse talent short term, better for tanking.
- sexton and milton sounds good. And they’re a better pairing given Milton has superior length than Garland, this allows Sexton to continue playing PG.
- they got a first round pick from sixers

Sexton
Milton
Okoro
Larry Nance
Drummond

Sixers:
Kevin Love (expires same year with Biid; 1 year shorter than Tobi)
Terry Rozier (2 year contract)
Darius Garland


Sixers Starting 5:
Seth
Green
Ben
Love
Biid
^ still have this very promising starting unit

Bench:
Rozier
Garland
Korkmaz
Maxey
Thybulle
D12
^ Rozier, Garland and Korkmaz can get you good scoring in short bursts then Thybulle and D12 can be good defensive impact guys on short spurts

Why:
- Seth, Rozier, Maxey and Garland gives you 4 options for your “perimeter shot creator”.
- Kevin love is a really good fit with Biid and Ben. Maybe better than Tobi.
- cap? Green’s expiring year 1. Rozier’s expiring year 2. Love’s expiring year 3.
- Better team short term, better team long term and better contract situation.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread: 2020 Offseason 

Post#415 » by 76ciology » Thu Nov 26, 2020 6:26 am

Kobblehead wrote:
76ciology wrote:
Spoiler:
Cavs:
Danny Green (15M expiring)
8m trade exemption
Terrance Ferguson (4M expiring)
Mike Scort (5m expiring)
Tony Bradley (3.7M expiring)
Shake Milton

Why?
35M worth of cap space to compensate for any value loss between Garland and Milton

Kings:
Tobias Harris
2039 and 2041 2nd rounders

Why?
Hield wants to go.
...to Sixers

Sixers:
Buddy Hield
Kevin Love (1 year shorter than Tobi’s contract)
Darius Garland
Jabari Parker (7m expiring)

Sixers Starting 5:
Seth Curry (one of the top shooters in the league)
Buddy Hield (19ppg)
Ben Simmons (17ppg)
Kevin Love (17ppg)
Joel Embiid (20+ppg)
^ starting 5 that can score and shoot. Love is a great fit with Ben, it forces defenders to put the smaller forward on Ben given Love’s size.

Back-up
Maxey
Gardland
Korkmaz
Thybulle
D12

Reason:
Arguably a more talented team short term.

Definitely a more promising team long term. You have two promising bets for a third star between Maxey and Garland.

Short term cap relief, by Jabari’s expiring.

Then long term cap relief with Tobi’s contract shorter than Love’s. I believe we’ll have a ton of cap during the offseason when Love’s contract expires (same year with Biid’s).

*i think Garland and Sexton are interchangeable


I think you ventured too far into spacing and too far away from defense. That said, I think many would agree with you and I know I'm in the minority there.

I'm just trying to look at it through the lens of a playoff series:
1. Who scores in the halfcourt (Maxey, Garland) <-- the right skillsets, but a lot of youth, inexperienced
2. Who can be targeted and exploited <-- he whole team except for Simmons, Thybulle. we won't get any stops


Look at my latest trade proposal where I address this issue by not trading Green while adding Rozier.

You can then play Rozier or Seth, depending on the match-up. Just as some match-up works well with DHO and some don’t. When it doesnt then you can run Rozier at the PG position. Maybe he can run a PnR with Biid or Ben.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread: 2020 Offseason 

Post#416 » by UptownPhilly » Thu Nov 26, 2020 8:52 am

PHL & DC - Albatross for an Albatross + Beal

PHL Out:

Tobias
Green
Curry
Scott
Ferguson
Bradley

Why? Massive boost for us in talent. Beal is the reason for the deal. No idea what Wall has left, but if he has something left, he could prove to be valuable. His contract is ugly, but it’s one year less than Harris. We’d need to sign a bunch of min guys to fill out our roster.

Wall/Milton/Maxey
Beal/Korkmaz/Joe
Thybulle/Broekhoff
Simmons/Reed
Embiid/Howard





DC Out:

Wall
Beal

Why? The Wizards shed somewhere in the range of 25M in cap space to get out of Wall’s deal and go into full rebuild mode.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread: 2020 Offseason 

Post#417 » by 76ciology » Thu Nov 26, 2020 8:57 am

Spoiler:
76ciology wrote:Kings:
Tobias Harris

Why: Hield wants out and has no position with Haliburton’s addition. Tobi is better than Hield on ISO (1.3ppp in the playoffs; and less liable on defense)

Fox-Haliburton-Tobi-Bjelica-Whiteside is a good starting unit

Bobcats:
Buddy Hield
Jabari Parker (7m expiring)


Why: Solves the clog at PG. Tobi and Hayward gives them shooting and scoring, good for a mediocre team.

Parker’s expiring gives you short term cap relief while Hield’s contract value decreases.

Lamelo-Graham-Hayward-Tobi-Center
- pick and roll from your guards, 18-20ppg scoring from wing, just need a cheap C who can defend

Cavs:
28M expiring (Tyler Zeller, Tony Bradley, Mike Scott and Ferguson)
8m trade exemption from Al Trade
Shake Milton
2021 Sixers 1st Round Pick


Why:
- Cap Relief for the Cavs (they could do what Presti has done by absorbing salaries in exchange for picks; basically im saying that the cap relief they received is equivalent to a first round pick). For instance, Cavs can absorb John Wall’s contract for a future first round pick
- Milton can both play with Sexton and Okoro
- worse talent short term, better for tanking.
- sexton and milton sounds good. And they’re a better pairing given Milton has superior length than Garland, this allows Sexton to continue playing PG.
- they got a first round pick from sixers

Sexton
Milton
Okoro
Larry Nance
Drummond

Sixers:
Kevin Love (expires same year with Biid; 1 year shorter than Tobi)
Terry Rozier (2 year contract)
Darius Garland


Sixers Starting 5:
Seth
Green
Ben
Love
Biid
^ still have this very promising starting unit

Bench:
Rozier
Garland
Korkmaz
Maxey
Thybulle
D12
^ Rozier, Garland and Korkmaz can get you good scoring in short bursts then Thybulle and D12 can be good defensive impact guys on short spurts

Why:
- Seth, Rozier, Maxey and Garland gives you 4 options for your “perimeter shot creator”.
- Kevin love is a really good fit with Biid and Ben. Maybe better than Tobi.
- cap? Green’s expiring year 1. Rozier’s expiring year 2. Love’s expiring year 3.
- Better team short term, better team long term and better contract situation.


Possibly..

Kings:
Tobias Harris

Bobcats:
Hield
Jabari Parker

Sixers:
Garland
Love
Rozier

Wizards:
28M expiring
8m trade exemption
- get John wall off their salary cap

Cavs:
John Wall
Milton
Sixers 2021 1st Round Pick
Wizards 2021 1st Round Pick
- john wall and love’s salary expires the same duration.
- john wall sells way more ticket than love
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread: 2020 Offseason 

Post#418 » by 76ciology » Thu Nov 26, 2020 9:04 am

UptownPhilly wrote:PHL & DC - Albatross for an Albatross + Beal

PHL Out:

Tobias
Green
Curry
Scott
Ferguson
Bradley

Why? Massive boost for us in talent. Beal is the reason for the deal. No idea what Wall has left, but if he has something left, he could prove to be valuable. His contract is ugly, but it’s one year less than Harris. We’d need to sign a bunch of min guys to fill out our roster.

Wall/Maxey
Beal/Milton/Joe
Thybulle/Broekhoff
Simmons/Reed
Embiid/Howard





DC Out:

Wall
Beal

Why? The Wizards shed somewhere in the range of 25M in cap space to get out of Wall’s deal and go into full rebuild mode.


You have to repackage tobi.

Kings:
Tobias Harris

Bobcats:
Buddy Hield and Jabari

Wizards:
Rozier
30M of expiring (Green, Zeller and Tony Bradley)
8M of trade exemption
- 40M cap relief in year 1 with additional 20M cap relief in year 2

Sixers:
Wall
Beal

*I dont see us or wizards doing the deal. But this is how you get it done
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread: 2020 Offseason 

Post#419 » by Kobblehead » Thu Nov 26, 2020 2:14 pm

I like Rozier's skillset a lot, but he obviously is a headcase.

I view Garland as being in the same spectrum as Maxey. Halfcourt scoring bench player that I want to eventually trade, as opposed to build with.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread: 2020 Offseason 

Post#420 » by Kobblehead » Thu Nov 26, 2020 2:16 pm

I'm uncomfortable with parting with any more draft capital. Especially after the Horford dump and the Curry acquisition. We lost a future first and a current 2nd rounder with those moves.

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