G16: Celtics @ Sixers 7:30pm ET 01/22/21 - ESPN

[TTP]

I forgot who mentioned it a while back, but honestly, i'd much prefer to throw Kormaz into the starting line up if seth isn't there. I think Maxey/Shake provide for a pretty dynamic punch off the bench, and have pretty decent chemistry (Maxey doesn't totally defer to Shake, but Shake obviously gets his shots). Komraz (or even Joe) in the starting line up just creates more space for the other guys to work without needing to provide more than the ability to knock down a wide open jumper.

I mentioned it after last game. It doesn't make sense to me to use anyone other than Shake/Furkan/Joe in Curry's spot when he's out.

[NYSixersFan]

Yeah, Danny's low hanging fruit for improvement in the lineup. I don't think Maxey gives you anything with the starters though. Just makes your spacing and defense worse since he'd be the 5th option with those guys.

in a perfect world, I'd rather have Milton starting, but the 2nd unit wouldn't have scorer....I think Maxey's ball handling and ability to create outweighs anything Green gives you on offense or defense.

This is a really, really, bad take. Look at the lineup data - Maxey units have been awful so far. We lose by 8.2 points per 100 possessions while he's on the court, and he sports a ridiculously bad -21.4 on/off.

Maxey is cratering Embiid lineups too. When they play together, we're -7.2 (over 111 minutes). When Embiid plays without him, we're +17.8.

Maxey's worse on both sides of the ball than Green. Even when Green's shot isn't falling, he still has significant gravity, and he's still a much better defender than people think.

Maxey's only value right now is creating his own shot on really weak efficiency, and if you're giving him the ball, you're taking it out of the hands of Simmons/Shake/Embiid/Harris, all of whom are far better with the ball in their hands than Maxey is. He gives you literally nothing off-ball and actively makes it more difficult for his teammates because defenses can cheat off of him significantly.

Shake in for Green might be fine, and is for sure worth testing out, though I still think Green is a better fit. The guy has a huge track record of making lineups better and he's been fine this year. Really good 3 and D players just have high impact as fifth starters around ball dominant players.

How many minutes has Maxey played with Embiid?

Again, I don't think it's ideal...not even close...but Danny Green stinks....right now our starting lineup has one ballhandler...and he's virtually useless in the halfcourt. I'd rather experiment with Maxey for a few games in the starting lineup

[TTP]

in a perfect world, I'd rather have Milton starting, but the 2nd unit wouldn't have scorer....I think Maxey's ball handling and ability to create outweighs anything Green gives you on offense or defense.

This is a really, really, bad take. Look at the lineup data - Maxey units have been awful so far. We lose by 8.2 points per 100 possessions while he's on the court, and he sports a ridiculously bad -21.4 on/off.

Maxey is cratering Embiid lineups too. When they play together, we're -7.2 (over 111 minutes). When Embiid plays without him, we're +17.8.

Maxey's worse on both sides of the ball than Green. Even when Green's shot isn't falling, he still has significant gravity, and he's still a much better defender than people think.

Maxey's only value right now is creating his own shot on really weak efficiency, and if you're giving him the ball, you're taking it out of the hands of Simmons/Shake/Embiid/Harris, all of whom are far better with the ball in their hands than Maxey is. He gives you literally nothing off-ball and actively makes it more difficult for his teammates because defenses can cheat off of him significantly.

Shake in for Green might be fine, and is for sure worth testing out, though I still think Green is a better fit. The guy has a huge track record of making lineups better and he's been fine this year. Really good 3 and D players just have high impact as fifth starters around ball dominant players.

How many minutes has Maxey played with Embiid?

Again, I don't think it's ideal...not even close...but Danny Green stinks....right now our starting lineup has one ballhandler...and he's virtually useless in the halfcourt. I'd rather experiment with Maxey for a few games in the starting lineup

111 minutes together not including tonight (not sure if they played together tonight but Maxey barely played).

Danny Green is fine. I know I'm not going to convince you on that though. His archetype is chronically undervalued - it was the same with Covington.

Even after tonight, he's still shooting almost 37% from 3 on high volume, and his team defense is seriously difficult for people to appreciate. He's generally very good about knowing where he needs to be, making rotations, and directing teammates. He also has great hands.

[Sixerscan]

Whoever you throw out there with the starters is going to have underwhelming performances. May as well let Green play with them given how much else he does besides scoring.

[76ciology]

Ive said Korkmaz should start, and I dont mind Green starting.

Because our starting unit’s offense is Biid centric.

Guys like Shake or Maxey’s ability to create on the ball will just be put into waste. UNLESS, you decrease Ben’s role as a playmaker in the halfcourt, which I strongly suggest but it wont happen.

[TTP]

Ive said Korkmaz should start, and I dont mind Green starting.

Because our starting unit’s offense is Biid centric. Guys like Shake or Maxey’s ability to create on the ball will just be put into waste. UNLESS, you decrease Ben’s role as a playmaker in the halfcourt, which I strongly suggest but it wont happen.

Yeah you get it.

When Embiid is in the game, a huge amount of our offense these days is to just give him the ball and let him do his thing. Maxey does absolutely nothing in that scenario - he actually harms Embiid because Maxey's defender would be able to stay closer to Embiid than Green, Shake, or Korkmaz's defender would. You absolutely need everyone else other than Simmons to be able to shoot.

[76ciology]

Just realized Danny Green has a crosshair tattoo’d at his elbow

[76ciology]

We just have a deep guard rotation and a shallow forward rotation.

You got Seth-Maxey-Shake all playing one position. Then your back-up forwards are... thybulle and kork?

Tobi played 41 minutes.

[thenbaman]

This is a really, really, bad take. Look at the lineup data - Maxey units have been awful so far. We lose by 8.2 points per 100 possessions while he's on the court, and he sports a ridiculously bad -21.4 on/off.

Maxey is cratering Embiid lineups too. When they play together, we're -7.2 (over 111 minutes). When Embiid plays without him, we're +17.8.

Maxey's worse on both sides of the ball than Green. Even when Green's shot isn't falling, he still has significant gravity, and he's still a much better defender than people think.

Maxey's only value right now is creating his own shot on really weak efficiency, and if you're giving him the ball, you're taking it out of the hands of Simmons/Shake/Embiid/Harris, all of whom are far better with the ball in their hands than Maxey is. He gives you literally nothing off-ball and actively makes it more difficult for his teammates because defenses can cheat off of him significantly.

Shake in for Green might be fine, and is for sure worth testing out, though I still think Green is a better fit. The guy has a huge track record of making lineups better and he's been fine this year. Really good 3 and D players just have high impact as fifth starters around ball dominant players.

How many minutes has Maxey played with Embiid?

Again, I don't think it's ideal...not even close...but Danny Green stinks....right now our starting lineup has one ballhandler...and he's virtually useless in the halfcourt. I'd rather experiment with Maxey for a few games in the starting lineup

111 minutes together not including tonight (not sure if they played together tonight but Maxey barely played).

Danny Green is fine. I know I'm not going to convince you on that though. His archetype is chronically undervalued - it was the same with Covington.

Even after tonight, he's still shooting almost 37% from 3 on high volume, and his team defense is seriously difficult for people to appreciate. He's generally very good about knowing where he needs to be, making rotations, and directing teammates. He also has great hands.

Thank you,nothing wrong with green.

[DCasey91]

We just have a deep guard rotation and a shallow forward rotation.

You got Seth-Maxey-Shake all playing one position. Then your back-up forwards are... thybulle and kork?

Tobi played 41 minutes.

We def need to upgrade Mike Scott, A playable PF/that can shoot. Morey will find someone I bet


Curry
Green
Simmons
Harris
Embiid

Milton
Maxey/Korkmaz
Thybulle
????
Howard

I don’t think were contending this year (too much offense left on Embiid’s shoulders). Man Markannen was super undervalued (didn’t get an extension at the start of the season) ah well man can dream.

I wanted the Lavine/Markannen swap for Harris & Ben. But I that ships sailed awhile go

[Wilfried]

Did we just see Ben Simmons take over in the clutch on offense?

[Wilfried]

Good W. Got the feeling Boston is going to implode a bit during the season. They just aren't deep enough and don't have enough size and especially talent in the front court.

But with Tatum and Brown, they got 2 studs!

Just don't know where they are going to, because Tatum + Brown + Kemba is not enough to win it, their 'warchest of picks' has become Pritchard, Langford, Williams, Ojeleye, Edwards, Yabusele, ..., they are pretty much capped out (especially next season when Tatum's new contract kicks in so I feel Ainge have to make a move this season), ...

To be fair, pretty sure Maxey, Thybulle, Milton have a lot more value around the league then the players Ainge drafted the last seasons

[76ciology]

Good W. Got the feeling Boston is going to implode a bit during the season. They just aren't deep enough and don't have enough size and especially talent in the front court.

But with Tatum and Brown, they got 2 studs!

Just don't know where they are going to, because Tatum + Brown + Kemba is not enough to win it, their 'warchest of picks' has become Pritchard, Langford, Williams, Ojeleye, Edwards, Yabusele, ..., they are pretty much capped out (especially next season when Tatum's new contract kicks in so I feel Ainge have to make a move this season), ...

To be fair, pretty sure Maxey, Thybulle, Milton have a lot more value around the league then the players Ainge drafted the last seasons

Hayward was a big loss.

They had a pretty good team last year.

Imagine if Kemba was healthy, they have Hayward with his near 18ppg with 50/40/90 shooting, Tatum then Jaylen having this jump. They’d probably be the favorites or just be behind the Nets.

But man.. ainge didnt do his homework during this offseason.

[downtownpie]

If Embiid is healthy Thiess and Thompson can't stop him. He'll eat all day.

[76ciology]

Did we just see Ben Simmons take over in the clutch on offense?

Yup. And its such a sight to see

[XtremeDunkz]

Did we just see Ben Simmons take over in the clutch on offense?

Yup. And its such a sight to see

I just don't get why he doesn't try to score more when he has the defense on their heels like that. We saw the game where he fouled out with a couple charges so I get it to a point. but man just keep doing it and learn how to eurostep.

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[M2J]

We just have a deep guard rotation and a shallow forward rotation.

You got Seth-Maxey-Shake all playing one position. Then your back-up forwards are... thybulle and kork?

Tobi played 41 minutes.

Shake played 18 minutes. That should never happen in a close game. Really shouldn't happen in a blowout

Kork simply sucks. I know he can get hot, but I hope Doc is willing to bench him if he doesn't start playing more efficiently.

If you have 3 high quality pgs, and 1 is perhaps your best 3 level scorer and maybe perimeter scorer and shot creator, and is 6'5..... You think creatively like the rest of the NBA and play him some at the 2 or 3. I'm also not very opposed to the Shake, Maxey, Thybulle, Simmons, Howard lineup for a few minutes....I know the shooting is a thing, but Simmons pushes those other guys to think more with an offensive mindset, and makes Maxey shoot more 3s, which is good for his development. I think to today that lineup featured Harris instead of Ben. I don't hate that lineup either. But with Simmons, they can do some damage defensively and play super fast.

I think Doc is having some difficulty with lineups, which is easy to do when you have some many guys in and out and say many specialists. However, a good rule of thumb would be to play Ben, Joel, Tobias, Shake, Seth 25+ minutes every game.

Anyways....I know Tatum is out, but Boston has the ability to play well defensively. I'm happy with the execution offensively as it's a good sign they haven't been as fluke. Joel is amazing, and Tobias has really been an all-star this year and deserves credit for his improvement on both ends. Great to see Seth back and being the efficient and while Ben was timely tonight after an even slower start... He's been just as good in past games. It's obvious the coaching staff is asking him to not focus on scoring and you be effective in doing other things to help in the half court, and I'm impressed in all of the ways they're doing that. Even though screening and rolling should be a higher option. But he's typically gotten to the line better than he did tonight, which is my barometer for him this year.

But if the staff is looking to have Ben do more to help the team, because there are guys who can't really effect the game without doing much more.... Then they have to unleash Shake.

[ProcessDoctor]

Hey we got a good Simmons game! Probably his best this season.

[76ciology]

Did we just see Ben Simmons take over in the clutch on offense?

Yup. And its such a sight to see

I just don't get why he doesn't try to score more when he has the defense on their heels like that. We saw the game where he fouled out with a couple charges so I get it to a point. but man just keep doing it and learn how to eurostep.

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I’d still prefer if he still be opportunistic.

Tonight, it’s just what the defense gave us. Celts were picking him up high then they are doing this gimmick where they want to show the refs they’re not fouling like Ojeleye hands down defense on green or theis just keeping his hand up on Ben’s drive.

Ben should give up half of his assists numbers and raise like 6-8 pts from letting Shake, Maxey or Seth run more 2 man game with him being a roll man. But give him the free reign to do whatever he wants on transition.

[VDT]

Ive said Korkmaz should start, and I dont mind Green starting.

Because our starting unit’s offense is Biid centric. Guys like Shake or Maxey’s ability to create on the ball will just be put into waste. UNLESS, you decrease Ben’s role as a playmaker in the halfcourt, which I strongly suggest but it wont happen.

Yeah you get it.

When Embiid is in the game, a huge amount of our offense these days is to just give him the ball and let him do his thing. Maxey does absolutely nothing in that scenario - he actually harms Embiid because Maxey's defender would be able to stay closer to Embiid than Green, Shake, or Korkmaz's defender would. You absolutely need everyone else other than Simmons to be able to shoot.

The problem is that you are never going to win with an offense like that, you wouldnt win even if the guy you give him the ball to do his thing was Michael Jordan. The team needs an actual offense and use Embiid isos only at times. You are not winning anything by spamming Embiid post ups, you are only just going to run him into the ground if he has to score 40 ppg in order for the team to win.