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Re: Can we Beat Brooklyn (7 game series) 

Post#41 » by DCasey91 » Sun Feb 7, 2021 10:33 am

Nets 4-2 there way.

Embiid will average 40+

But three nuclear offensive players vs one ATG scorer for a big isn’t much of a match imo.

All they need is a rim protector and two wing defenders and they’ll be fine (get at least two in the buyout market). Harris + Dinwiddie will get them all 3. (don’t need either Irving > both put together).

Say Roberson type/tucker/biyombo. Fine that’ll do.

See once you have the key pieces down everything else becomes a lot easier.
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Re: Can we Beat Brooklyn (7 game series) 

Post#42 » by M2J » Sun Feb 7, 2021 10:36 am

76ciology wrote:
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76ciology wrote:“They are terrible on D”

Who will they have trouble defending aside from Embiid?

If Im the Nets, I’d implement the same strategy Hawks did against Prime Dwight Howard and the Magic in 2011.



Defend Biid on single coverage.
Let him get his 40+pts.
Stay at bay on everyone else.

Dwight averaged 27pts on 63FG% on this series.

Hawks won this series 4-2


Yep, i remember Orlando doing something similar to Cleveland in '09. Lebron averaged 40 on them but they won the series.

Different kind of player for suere, but just to say it happens a lot. Even if we have one guy who kills their defese, it doesn't mean much if he's our only effective weapon.

Also like we saw tonight against a terrible Portland team, they can just double Embiid in the post if he's making too much damage.It's not that difficult to recover and at least contest the next shot.We also don't have enough shooting to make them pay. Seth is going to be borderline unplayable on defense against them.


Yup, thats why we need more options than Embiid.

You can’t just rely on Embiid to carry the team and think that defense will be the difference maker.

Defense is a difference maker. But it wont make up the big difference in offense.

Im not saying we can’t beat them.
Im not saying we should trade X for Y.

Im just saying the structure of the roster have to be re-organized if you want a high probability in beating them.

On the contrary, the scenario in beating the Nets with what we have now is the Mavs-Heat series when Dirk went godmode against the Heat’s big 3.

I dont know if it will work. But one way is to put Seth in the game and force the Nets to win the game by relying heavy on Kyrie. Which is a much inferior player than Harden and KD. While locking down KD and Harden with Green and Ben.




Interesting thought but....

Yeah, I don't think that strategy is as effective against this team as constructed... Even if done by good defensive teams. Those Hawks and the Magic vs LeBron were good defenses. The Nets are historically bad.

But let's pretend we're talking about a good defense in the Nets, for a second. Joel is a much more efficient scorer than most, and plays in the paint. If they go one on one, he'd likely truly get low position and torch them. Likely get them in big time foul trouble too.

Ben, Tobias, Seth, Shake with pick and rolls and posting Ben are capable of generating some quality offense. Even Seth can get some mid range and closer finishes off of pick and rolls or defenders playing too closely, hell even Green will drive effectively if played too closely for a few buckets.

That style of defense is more effective against guys that can't put the ball on the ground at all, and when there's no other playmakers. Also against a primary scorer that has to work harder against one on one than Joel... The leagues best post scorer (effortlessly efficient) that is nearly automatic from mid range, and a tremendous free throw shooter.... Again many things LeBron and especially Dwight are not.

He's too much of a problem for that strategy, and his supporting cast is far superior to those teams. They're not just stand still shooters.

Now... Talking about the terrible defense of the Nets perimeter players specifically one on one... They'd drive past them like nothing. Is that how Philly typically plays? No, but they have to adjust and the Nets would make it easy.

I like the Sixers chances vs the Nets. It mostly depends on how well the Sixers defend, and I think they can make them a jump shooting team... Yes that's a strength, but not a as efficient as them getting to the rim, especially with a defender playing up on them because Joel is in the paint. I would consider a strategy of Seth (a pesky defender with physical limitations) on Harden and force him to shoot 3s. That could take them out of their flowing offense and he's not a very efficient 3pt shooter historically. That's if placing him on Joe Harris doesn't work, and it may work because luckily Sixers don't switch everything and has the defenders to recover. If they do switch with the clock running down... Shouldn't kill them unless it's Durant.
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Re: Can we Beat Brooklyn (7 game series) 

Post#43 » by DCasey91 » Sun Feb 7, 2021 10:44 am

Guys Harris is our 2nd option in the crunch.

We consistently let jitterbug guards light us up. Irving vs Curry/Milton/Maxey is asking for big trouble. Oh and then there’s Harden.

Both Irving/Durant can av 35 against us (Durant can av 30 against anyone or 35 if he decides too. No one in the NBA history can guard him lol.).... Oh and Harden.

All they need against us is two bodys in the paint, that’s it. don’t need great wing defenders because we’re not a big threat on the outside at the best of times lol. (Milton/Maxey/korkmaz/Thybulle/joe are all a wash come playoff time. Not their fault. Our vets should be at least top 2/3 most important players on our teams. That’s isn’t the case with us.)
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Re: Can we Beat Brooklyn (7 game series) 

Post#44 » by Tomjas » Sun Feb 7, 2021 10:46 am

DCasey91 wrote:Nets 4-2 there way.

Embiid will average 40+

But three nuclear offensive players vs one ATG scorer for a big isn’t much of a match imo.

All they need is a rim protector and two wing defenders and they’ll be fine (get at least two in the buyout market). Harris + Dinwiddie will get them all 3. (don’t need either Irving > both put together).

Say Roberson type/tucker/biyombo. Fine that’ll do.

See once you have the key pieces down everything else becomes a lot easier.


You’re assuming that the Nets make improvements while we don’t

They can’t defend a chair & literally have nobody to match up with Embiid AND Simmons and have little trade capital
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Re: Can we Beat Brooklyn (7 game series) 

Post#45 » by DCasey91 » Sun Feb 7, 2021 10:55 am

Tomjas wrote:
DCasey91 wrote:Nets 4-2 there way.

Embiid will average 40+

But three nuclear offensive players vs one ATG scorer for a big isn’t much of a match imo.

All they need is a rim protector and two wing defenders and they’ll be fine (get at least two in the buyout market). Harris + Dinwiddie will get them all 3. (don’t need either Irving > both put together).

Say Roberson type/tucker/biyombo. Fine that’ll do.

See once you have the key pieces down everything else becomes a lot easier.


You’re assuming that the Nets make improvements while we don’t

They can’t defend a chair & literally have nobody to match up with Embiid AND Simmons and have little trade capital




I’ll keep repeating it until the 76ers people understand:

Players that fit with Embiid:

All star/ All NBA PG
All star/ All NBA SG

We have neither.

There moves are super duper easy. Ours for us to improve our chances we somehow become too emotionally attached. It’s a results driven business sports is.

Banking your offense on Simmons as an important part ain’t gonna cut it when the Nets are GSW on steroids.

What improvements that are realistic that you can make with us? Lavine without giving up Ben is probably the most ideal option. Get Lowry too okay then now we have a contending team.

Harris/Simmons backcourt is like bringing a knife to a Air Force missle fight lol.
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Re: Can we Beat Brooklyn (7 game series) 

Post#46 » by Tomjas » Sun Feb 7, 2021 11:01 am

DCasey91 wrote:
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DCasey91 wrote:Nets 4-2 there way.

Embiid will average 40+

But three nuclear offensive players vs one ATG scorer for a big isn’t much of a match imo.

All they need is a rim protector and two wing defenders and they’ll be fine (get at least two in the buyout market). Harris + Dinwiddie will get them all 3. (don’t need either Irving > both put together).

Say Roberson type/tucker/biyombo. Fine that’ll do.

See once you have the key pieces down everything else becomes a lot easier.


You’re assuming that the Nets make improvements while we don’t

They can’t defend a chair & literally have nobody to match up with Embiid AND Simmons and have little trade capital




I’ll keep repeating it until the 76ers people understand:

Players that fit with Embiid:

All star/ All NBA PG
All star/ All NBA SG

We have neither.

There moves are super duper easy. Ours for us to improve our chances we somehow become too emotionally attached. It’s a results driven business sports is.

Banking your offense on Simmons as an important part ain’t gonna cut it when the Nets are GSW on steroids.

What improvements that are realistic that you can make with us? Lavine without giving up Ben is probably the most ideal option. Get Lowry too okay then now we have a contending team.

Harris/Simmons backcourt is like bringing a knife to a Air Force missle fight lol.


Who’s available for Harris ++?
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Re: Can we Beat Brooklyn (7 game series) 

Post#47 » by Tomjas » Sun Feb 7, 2021 11:13 am

Btw, we destroyed the team by planning for the Bucks last year and will do the same if we plan for the Nets

Turned out that they weren’t any good & Nets are heading in same direction
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Re: Can we Beat Brooklyn (7 game series) 

Post#48 » by DCasey91 » Sun Feb 7, 2021 11:14 am

Playoff Per (36)

Durant 26/3.5/7 ( 18.5 shots a game)

Harden 24/6/5 (27/7/5 playing with the Rockets, 19
Shots a game)

Irving 23/5/3 (19 shots a game)

They don’t need any more offence lol. If they traded everyone for Andre roberson type players at every position my god it would be a sight to be hold.

There per 36 numbers not even looking at their shooting splits completely trounces everyone on our team (Bar Embiid) but they all scale higher because they’re all what’s called elite of the elite 3 lvl scorers. No one in NBA history has that, at that level on the one team. What happens when they all play 40 minutes lmfao.

Harris 37 mins av in Playoffs:
15.4/4/9

At shocking splits:
51% ts, 42 fg% (all for a forward I may add) and 31% from 3 on nearly 14 shots per game. All the while being a negative defender his all career. (Even now on a defensively elite team)

Cmon guys.

If we don’t put up between 115-120+ points per game we’re not beating them unless you turn into a 90-95 grudge match. That won’t happen either. Because

1. Harris is no good as a primary scorer on the outside come playoff time.
2. Ben will be further marginalized (if olynyk can blanket him what do you think Durant will do?)
3. Half court is where all three can and will thrive in.

It wouldn’t surprise me at all us being up by 20 and losing comfortably in the end if we try and trade buckets with them don’t ever do that. The best way of beating them is to get a big lead early and play extremely technical against them (butler would be great for that). Unfortunately our team isn’t equipped for that.
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Re: Can we Beat Brooklyn (7 game series) 

Post#49 » by Tomjas » Sun Feb 7, 2021 11:24 am

DCasey91 wrote:Playoff Per (36)

Durant 26/3.5/7 ( 18.5 shots a game)

Harden 24/6/5 (27/7/5 playing with the Rockets, 19
Shots a game)

Irving 23/5/3 (19 shots a game)

They don’t need any more offence lol. If they traded everyone for Andre roberson type players at every position my god it would be a sight to be hold.

There per 36 numbers not even looking at their shooting splits completely trounces everyone on our team (Bar Embiid) but they all scale higher because they’re all what’s called elite of the elite 3 lvl scorers. No one in NBA history has that, at that level on the one team. What happens when they all play 40 minutes lmfao.

Harris 37 mins av in Playoffs:
15.4/4/9

At shocking splits:
51% ts, 42 fg% (all for a forward I may add) and 31% from 3.

Cmon guys.

If we don’t put up between 115-120+ points per game we’re not beating them.


Nets will need 140 to beat teams with a defensive pulse consistently

Btw, do you seriously think that teams are going to gift them defensive players?

Everyone knows that they are terrible at that end, have gone all in and have few assets

Perfect storm for sellers
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Re: Can we Beat Brooklyn (7 game series) 

Post#50 » by DCasey91 » Sun Feb 7, 2021 11:34 am

Tomjas wrote:
DCasey91 wrote:Playoff Per (36)

Durant 26/3.5/7 ( 18.5 shots a game)

Harden 24/6/5 (27/7/5 playing with the Rockets, 19
Shots a game)

Irving 23/5/3 (19 shots a game)

They don’t need any more offence lol. If they traded everyone for Andre roberson type players at every position my god it would be a sight to be hold.

There per 36 numbers not even looking at their shooting splits completely trounces everyone on our team (Bar Embiid) but they all scale higher because they’re all what’s called elite of the elite 3 lvl scorers. No one in NBA history has that, at that level on the one team. What happens when they all play 40 minutes lmfao.

Harris 37 mins av in Playoffs:
15.4/4/9

At shocking splits:
51% ts, 42 fg% (all for a forward I may add) and 31% from 3.

Cmon guys.

If we don’t put up between 115-120+ points per game we’re not beating them.


Nets will need 140 to beat teams with a defensive pulse consistently

Btw, do you seriously think that teams are going to gift them defensive players?

Everyone knows that they are terrible at that end, have gone all in and have few assets

Perfect storm for sellers



Nets averaging 140 in a playoff round isn’t out the question or even absurd at all. They are 100% capable of that.

Some guy has had multiple 50+ point triple doubles

Some other guy av 30 and was the youngest when he one a scoring title

And one well is kind of a nutcase but can put up 27+/7/5 in a series like it was another day for him.

Don’t question there offense.

Besides if play elite defence you going to get the best chance for a payday (ringchasers plus they have more than enough assets to get what they need in the end, min signings plenty around to get).
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Re: Can we Beat Brooklyn (7 game series) 

Post#51 » by Tomjas » Sun Feb 7, 2021 11:52 am

DCasey91 wrote:
Tomjas wrote:
DCasey91 wrote:Playoff Per (36)

Durant 26/3.5/7 ( 18.5 shots a game)

Harden 24/6/5 (27/7/5 playing with the Rockets, 19
Shots a game)

Irving 23/5/3 (19 shots a game)

They don’t need any more offence lol. If they traded everyone for Andre roberson type players at every position my god it would be a sight to be hold.

There per 36 numbers not even looking at their shooting splits completely trounces everyone on our team (Bar Embiid) but they all scale higher because they’re all what’s called elite of the elite 3 lvl scorers. No one in NBA history has that, at that level on the one team. What happens when they all play 40 minutes lmfao.

Harris 37 mins av in Playoffs:
15.4/4/9

At shocking splits:
51% ts, 42 fg% (all for a forward I may add) and 31% from 3.

Cmon guys.

If we don’t put up between 115-120+ points per game we’re not beating them.


Nets will need 140 to beat teams with a defensive pulse consistently

Btw, do you seriously think that teams are going to gift them defensive players?

Everyone knows that they are terrible at that end, have gone all in and have few assets

Perfect storm for sellers



Nets averaging 140 in a playoff round isn’t out the question or even absurd at all. They are 100% capable of that.

Some guy has had multiple 50+ point triple doubles

Some other guy av 30 and was the youngest when he one a scoring title

And one well is kind of a nutcase but can put up 27+/7/5 in a series like it was another day for him.

Don’t question there offense.

Besides if play elite defence you going to get the best chance for a payday (ringchasers plus they have more than enough assets to get what they need in the end, min signings plenty around to get).


They have ZERO chance of getting anyone who can defend against Joel, Giannis, Gobert, LeBron, AD etc etc etc THIS YEAR

They will be stomped by many teams as it’s a 2 way game

Best hope is to trade Kyrie next season

They will produce some highlights but that’s about it
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Re: Can we Beat Brooklyn (7 game series) 

Post#52 » by Rastas » Sun Feb 7, 2021 12:23 pm

DCasey91 wrote:
Tomjas wrote:
DCasey91 wrote:Nets 4-2 there way.

Embiid will average 40+

But three nuclear offensive players vs one ATG scorer for a big isn’t much of a match imo.

All they need is a rim protector and two wing defenders and they’ll be fine (get at least two in the buyout market). Harris + Dinwiddie will get them all 3. (don’t need either Irving > both put together).

Say Roberson type/tucker/biyombo. Fine that’ll do.

See once you have the key pieces down everything else becomes a lot easier.


You’re assuming that the Nets make improvements while we don’t

They can’t defend a chair & literally have nobody to match up with Embiid AND Simmons and have little trade capital




I’ll keep repeating it until the 76ers people understand:

Players that fit with Embiid:

All star/ All NBA PG
All star/ All NBA SG

We have neither.

There moves are super duper easy. Ours for us to improve our chances we somehow become too emotionally attached. It’s a results driven business sports is.

Banking your offense on Simmons as an important part ain’t gonna cut it when the Nets are GSW on steroids.

What improvements that are realistic that you can make with us? Lavine without giving up Ben is probably the most ideal option. Get Lowry too okay then now we have a contending team.

Harris/Simmons backcourt is like bringing a knife to a Air Force missle fight lol.



OK - swap Ben for Kyrie , he should be good for 30points a game here , now how do the Sixers fare against the Ben added Nets.

Hell even a Ben for Harden still has the Nets probable favorites to win it all.

Only thing stopping a Nets win is injuries ( still good odds on that).
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Post#53 » by 76ciology » Sun Feb 7, 2021 1:58 pm

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76ciology wrote:
elchengue20 wrote:
Yep, i remember Orlando doing something similar to Cleveland in '09. Lebron averaged 40 on them but they won the series.

Different kind of player for suere, but just to say it happens a lot. Even if we have one guy who kills their defese, it doesn't mean much if he's our only effective weapon.

Also like we saw tonight against a terrible Portland team, they can just double Embiid in the post if he's making too much damage.It's not that difficult to recover and at least contest the next shot.We also don't have enough shooting to make them pay. Seth is going to be borderline unplayable on defense against them.


Yup, thats why we need more options than Embiid.

You can’t just rely on Embiid to carry the team and think that defense will be the difference maker.

Defense is a difference maker. But it wont make up the big difference in offense.

Im not saying we can’t beat them.
Im not saying we should trade X for Y.

Im just saying the structure of the roster have to be re-organized if you want a high probability in beating them.

On the contrary, the scenario in beating the Nets with what we have now is the Mavs-Heat series when Dirk went godmode against the Heat’s big 3.

I dont know if it will work. But one way is to put Seth in the game and force the Nets to win the game by relying heavy on Kyrie. Which is a much inferior player than Harden and KD. While locking down KD and Harden with Green and Ben.




Interesting thought but....

Yeah, I don't think that strategy is as effective against this team as constructed... Even if done by good defensive teams. Those Hawks and the Magic vs LeBron were good defenses. The Nets are historically bad.

But let's pretend we're talking about a good defense in the Nets, for a second. Joel is a much more efficient scorer than most, and plays in the paint. If they go one on one, he'd likely truly get low position and torch them. Likely get them in big time foul trouble too.

Ben, Tobias, Seth, Shake with pick and rolls and posting Ben are capable of generating some quality offense. Even Seth can get some mid range and closer finishes off of pick and rolls or defenders playing too closely, hell even Green will drive effectively if played too closely for a few buckets.

That style of defense is more effective against guys that can't put the ball on the ground at all, and when there's no other playmakers. Also against a primary scorer that has to work harder against one on one than Joel... The leagues best post scorer (effortlessly efficient) that is nearly automatic from mid range, and a tremendous free throw shooter.... Again many things LeBron and especially Dwight are not.

He's too much of a problem for that strategy, and his supporting cast is far superior to those teams. They're not just stand still shooters.

Now... Talking about the terrible defense of the Nets perimeter players specifically one on one... They'd drive past them like nothing. Is that how Philly typically plays? No, but they have to adjust and the Nets would make it easy.

I like the Sixers chances vs the Nets. It mostly depends on how well the Sixers defend, and I think they can make them a jump shooting team... Yes that's a strength, but not a as efficient as them getting to the rim, especially with a defender playing up on them because Joel is in the paint. I would consider a strategy of Seth (a pesky defender with physical limitations) on Harden and force him to shoot 3s. That could take them out of their flowing offense and he's not a very efficient 3pt shooter historically. That's if placing him on Joe Harris doesn't work, and it may work because luckily Sixers don't switch everything and has the defenders to recover. If they do switch with the clock running down... Shouldn't kill them unless it's Durant.


I dont understand most of what you said, im being honest.

But the thing about thinking we could beat the Nets because they are not a good defensive team is an optimism bias IMO.

Aside from Embiid, who do you think Nets are worried stopping on defense?

Tobias is our CLEAR 2nd option, then there’s a big gap below him. Tobi is not that reliable on offense, if he’s so then we’d be winning games without Embiid. Tobi even struggled against the Blazers where he’s mostly defended by Melo.

Jeff Green, Harden and Durant can all defend Tobi and Ben on single coverage.

Sixers is one of the bottom 10 worst halfcourt offense in the league.

The way I see it, the way Sixers can beat the Nets on a 7 game series is if Biid single handedly carrying this team with an all time great level performance (like a spiritual apparition clip that gets millions of views on youtube) with/or Ben, Green, Tobi and Thybulle had an all time great performance on defense by locking down 3 of the best scorers in league history (like Kawhi vs Lebron heat/sas series and Marion vs LeBron Mavs/Heat series).
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Re: Can we Beat Brooklyn (7 game series) 

Post#54 » by 6ers83 » Sun Feb 7, 2021 3:44 pm

I used to think we could be them but I was wrong we'd have no chance the way the roster is currently constructed. It would be 4-1 or a sweep.

Somehow they need to improve the roster with trades or buy outs cuz this group isnt touching a full Nets squad.
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Post#55 » by ExplosionsInDaSky » Sun Feb 7, 2021 3:51 pm

Tomjas wrote:Btw, we destroyed the team by planning for the Bucks last year and will do the same if we plan for the Nets

Turned out that they weren’t any good & Nets are heading in same direction


I agree, we just need to play our game. They have to worry about how they're going to beat us, not the other way around.
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Re: Can we Beat Brooklyn (7 game series) 

Post#56 » by Sportfan73 » Sun Feb 7, 2021 4:41 pm

Well this thread completely lost me and then some when the nets were called “gsw on steroids” like do you have any fundamental understanding of how good those gsw teams were on BOTH sides of the ball. The historic shooting and defense?
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Post#57 » by Arsenal » Sun Feb 7, 2021 4:54 pm

These Nets are being ridiculously overrated. No team with such atrocious D has ever won jack.
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Post#58 » by 76ciology » Sun Feb 7, 2021 5:15 pm

Nets isnt GSW on steroids.
They are the OKC Thunders reborn.
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Re: Can we Beat Brooklyn (7 game series) 

Post#59 » by Stanford » Sun Feb 7, 2021 5:30 pm

Arsenal wrote:These Nets are being ridiculously overrated. No team with such atrocious D has ever won jack.


Has any team ever had 3 offensive superstars in close to their primes?
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Re: Can we Beat Brooklyn (7 game series) 

Post#60 » by stormi » Sun Feb 7, 2021 5:36 pm

Less concerned with their gimmick roster and more concerned with our lack of allstar caliber halfcourt creator which is a fundamental consistency in all championship winning teams.

They also have the worst coach in basketball.

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