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Re: Can we Beat Brooklyn (7 game series) 

Post#81 » by ConstableChaos » Mon Feb 8, 2021 10:55 am

They'd be playing the Hawks in a first round series if PO started today - no way Nets roll them in 4, could absolutely see that going 7.

Though i could say the same thing about sixers v Hawks. EC is wide open. Each team has its flaws
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Re: Can we Beat Brooklyn (7 game series) 

Post#82 » by Stanford » Mon Feb 8, 2021 1:57 pm

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Stanford wrote:I'm not sure that's the literal definition of a gimmick

A team that was the “literal definition of a gimmick” would “literally” be a fake team outside of the normal NBA teams like the Harlem Globetrotters so it’s pretty weird to be hung up on trying to correct him of the “literal definition of a gimmick” when everybody understood his point


His point is ridiculous and he used the word "literally." Putting a bunch of great basketball players on the same team is not a gimmick. A gimmick would be running zone and relying on a trick offensive system to score rather than individual performances.

stormi wrote:Find me the last 27th ranked defensive team to win a championship


I didn't say they were going to win a championship. Neither are we. Did Morey put together a gimmick roster? If so, what team isn't a gimmick roster?

M2J wrote:People that think that's not a big deal, are people thinking they're genius for jumping on the the bandwagon of the team with the most stars that can get their own shot again.


lol, who are you arguing with here? Who doesn't think defense is important?
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Re: Can we Beat Brooklyn (7 game series) 

Post#83 » by stormi » Mon Feb 8, 2021 3:03 pm

Stanford wrote: what team isn't a gimmick roster?


A team that wants to be taken seriously in title contender conversations and not have a borderline historically porous defense and bench. This year they're allowing the 2nd most points per game against (more than the Bulls, Wolves, Thunder, Pistons) and only less than the Wizards. Your ability to put up theatrical offensive numbers is only impressive when you're not the worst defensive team in basketball.
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Re: Can we Beat Brooklyn (7 game series) 

Post#84 » by stormi » Mon Feb 8, 2021 3:23 pm

Quite defensive for someone who backed down at the notion of them winning a championship.

They're going to have a lot of nights like the ones against the Cavs and Wizards where they put up 135 and 147 points... And lost. It's absurd to even type out. They were getting shredded up by Collin Sexton and Bradley Beal. It's going to happen against any team with a top tier half court creator.

Maybe 76ciology is right. Lavine would blow them out of the water.


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Re: Can we Beat Brooklyn (7 game series) 

Post#85 » by 76ciology » Mon Feb 8, 2021 4:27 pm

Nets is not a gimmick.

They are built exactly what the NBA wants teams to play.

Close game entering the fourth with both teams trading baskets with their top scorers off 2 man game or 1v1.

It’s that simple.



And I’d repeat. Aside from Embiid, who among our guys should the Nets worry on defending?

And KD and Harden can both play good defense when they want to. Specially KD.
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Re: Can we Beat Brooklyn (7 game series) 

Post#86 » by stormi » Mon Feb 8, 2021 4:50 pm

76ciology wrote:They are built exactly what the NBA wants teams to play.

Close game entering the fourth with both teams trading baskets with their top scorers off 2 man game or 1v1.

It’s that simple.


This has no correlation with producing a championship roster. That sounds like a typical Cavaliers or Bulls game.
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Re: Can we Beat Brooklyn (7 game series) 

Post#87 » by 76ciology » Mon Feb 8, 2021 5:16 pm

stormi wrote:
76ciology wrote:They are built exactly what the NBA wants teams to play.

Close game entering the fourth with both teams trading baskets with their top scorers off 2 man game or 1v1.

It’s that simple.


This has no correlation with producing a championship roster. That sounds like a typical Cavaliers or Bulls game.


History only serves as a guide than a crystal ball.

And if you want a history lesson, Morey said it that he believes championship teams should have two MVP caliber players. This is why if you look at his career it is built on this.

And if you look at MVP caliber players, these guys are mostly scorers. Not dikembe mutombo or ben wallace where you can have godly defensive skills but if you have lethargic offense then you dont fit the category.

That said, Nets would be more fitting to Morey’s definition of a championship team.

And its not a “typical cavaliers or bulls game” this has been so prevalent. Try to subscribe to leaguepass and watch other teams play.

Here are some examples




You can also check the Nets-Celts game played last 3 days ago

The game has become predictable IMO. Exchange of jabs from first to late third. Game gets serious Late third to end of game with teams trading baskets (via 2 man game or 1v1) until the loser is the team that is left standing with no chair when the music stops.

This is why its a must to have multiple guys who can score via 2 man games and 1v1, and it would be preferred if they also are multi positional defenders
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Re: Can we Beat Brooklyn (7 game series) 

Post#88 » by stormi » Mon Feb 8, 2021 5:35 pm

76ciology wrote:
stormi wrote:
76ciology wrote:They are built exactly what the NBA wants teams to play.

Close game entering the fourth with both teams trading baskets with their top scorers off 2 man game or 1v1.

It’s that simple.


This has no correlation with producing a championship roster. That sounds like a typical Cavaliers or Bulls game.


History only serves as a guide than a crystal ball.

And its not a “typical cavaliers or bulls game” this has been so prevalent. Try to subscribe to leaguepass and watch other teams play.

Here are some examples




You can also check the Nets-Celts game played last 3 days ago

The game has become predictable IMO. Exchange of jabs from first to late third. Game gets serious Late third to end of game with teams trading baskets (via 2 man game or 1v1) until the loser is the team that is left standing with no chair when the music stops.


Uh. This isn't a good argument at all. You can't just cherry pick random examples to support an extremely generic statement and think you're making points. You're describing the average basketball game... All semi-close games that come down to the wire will naturally end with baskets being traded out of the halfcourt regardless of team caliber... Pistons Lakers was like that a few nights ago.

Watch the final few minutes of this nailbiter Mr. Leaguepass



My argument about the Nets being a fraudulent gimmick team has nothing to do with their ability to score the basketball, rather the fact that they're historically poor on the other end of the floor. Teams with bottom 5 defenses do not win NBA championships, period... Any team with a couple of shotcreators will push the Nets to their limits because of the fact that they have maybe one positive defender on that roster (a 32 year old coming off a torn achilles) and no paint anchor. If you want to consider them a contender you have to acknowledge that they're a statistical aberration and not call into historical reference that would dispute the idea of an all offense, no defense team being legitimate.
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Re: Can we Beat Brooklyn (7 game series) 

Post#89 » by 76ciology » Mon Feb 8, 2021 6:01 pm

stormi wrote:
76ciology wrote:
stormi wrote:
This has no correlation with producing a championship roster. That sounds like a typical Cavaliers or Bulls game.


History only serves as a guide than a crystal ball.

And its not a “typical cavaliers or bulls game” this has been so prevalent. Try to subscribe to leaguepass and watch other teams play.

Here are some examples




You can also check the Nets-Celts game played last 3 days ago

The game has become predictable IMO. Exchange of jabs from first to late third. Game gets serious Late third to end of game with teams trading baskets (via 2 man game or 1v1) until the loser is the team that is left standing with no chair when the music stops.


Uh. This isn't a good argument at all. You can't just cherry pick random examples to support an extremely generic statement and think you're making points. You're describing the average basketball game... All semi-close games come down to the wire with baskets being traded out of the halfcourt regardless of team caliber... Pistons Lakers was like that a few nights ago.

Watch the final few minutes of this nailbiter Mr. Leaguepass



My argument about the Nets being a fraudulent gimmick team has nothing to do with their ability to score the basketball, rather the fact that they're historically poor on the other end of the floor. Teams with bottom 5 defenses do not win NBA championships, period... Any team with a couple of shotcreators will push the Nets to their limits because of the fact that they have maybe one positive defender on that entire roster, and him being a 32 year old coming off a torn achilles. If you want to consider them a contender you have to acknowledge that they're a statistical aberration and not call into historical reference that would dispute the idea of an all offense, no defense team being legitimate.


Yeah. And that is why we need a guy like Beal.

If you have Beal and Biid, you have a chance. Then you let your defense and other intangibles like extra possessions and transition, gets you over the edge.

But if you dont have a couple of shot creator (like us) then you are likely not be able to beat them in a 7 game series.

And like I said, KD and Harden can play good defense if they want to. Specially KD.

Maybe they wont be able to beat the Lakers, Clipper or Nuggets in 7 game series because of their flaws, that will cause them to not win it. But against a team like us with no “couple of shotcreators” we can’t “push them to the limits”.
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Re: Can we Beat Brooklyn (7 game series) 

Post#90 » by stormi » Mon Feb 8, 2021 6:02 pm

76ciology wrote:
stormi wrote:
76ciology wrote:
History only serves as a guide than a crystal ball.

And its not a “typical cavaliers or bulls game” this has been so prevalent. Try to subscribe to leaguepass and watch other teams play.

Here are some examples




You can also check the Nets-Celts game played last 3 days ago

The game has become predictable IMO. Exchange of jabs from first to late third. Game gets serious Late third to end of game with teams trading baskets (via 2 man game or 1v1) until the loser is the team that is left standing with no chair when the music stops.


Uh. This isn't a good argument at all. You can't just cherry pick random examples to support an extremely generic statement and think you're making points. You're describing the average basketball game... All semi-close games come down to the wire with baskets being traded out of the halfcourt regardless of team caliber... Pistons Lakers was like that a few nights ago.

Watch the final few minutes of this nailbiter Mr. Leaguepass



My argument about the Nets being a fraudulent gimmick team has nothing to do with their ability to score the basketball, rather the fact that they're historically poor on the other end of the floor. Teams with bottom 5 defenses do not win NBA championships, period... Any team with a couple of shotcreators will push the Nets to their limits because of the fact that they have maybe one positive defender on that entire roster, and him being a 32 year old coming off a torn achilles. If you want to consider them a contender you have to acknowledge that they're a statistical aberration and not call into historical reference that would dispute the idea of an all offense, no defense team being legitimate.


Yeah. And that is why we need a guy like Beal.

If you have Beal and Biid, you have a chance. Then you let your defense and other intangibles like extra possessions and transition, gets you over the edge.

But if you dont have a couple of shot creator (like us) then you are likely not be able to beat them in a 7 game series.

And like I said, KD and Harden can play good defense if they want to. Specially KD.

Maybe they wont be able to beat the Lakers, Clipper or Nuggets in 7 game series because of their flaws, that will cause them to not win it. But against a team like us with no “couple of shotcreators” we can’t “push them to the limits”.


Yeah I don't have any expectations if this is the roster we head into playoffs with. I don't think it will be though.
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Re: Can we Beat Brooklyn (7 game series) 

Post#91 » by davesilver » Mon Feb 8, 2021 6:06 pm

76ciology wrote:
stormi wrote:
76ciology wrote:They are built exactly what the NBA wants teams to play.

Close game entering the fourth with both teams trading baskets with their top scorers off 2 man game or 1v1.

It’s that simple.


This has no correlation with producing a championship roster. That sounds like a typical Cavaliers or Bulls game.


History only serves as a guide than a crystal ball.

And if you want a history lesson, Morey said it that he believes championship teams should have two MVP caliber players. This is why if you look at his career it is built on this.

And if you look at MVP caliber players, these guys are mostly scorers. Not dikembe mutombo or ben wallace where you can have godly defensive skills but if you have lethargic offense then you dont fit the category.

That said, Nets would be more fitting to Morey’s definition of a championship team.

And its not a “typical cavaliers or bulls game” this has been so prevalent. Try to subscribe to leaguepass and watch other teams play.

Here are some examples




You can also check the Nets-Celts game played last 3 days ago

The game has become predictable IMO. Exchange of jabs from first to late third. Game gets serious Late third to end of game with teams trading baskets (via 2 man game or 1v1) until the loser is the team that is left standing with no chair when the music stops.

This is why its a must to have multiple guys who can score via 2 man games and 1v1, and it would be preferred if they also are multi positional defenders


Tobias can do everything Middleton does in those final 2 minutes.
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Re: Can we Beat Brooklyn (7 game series) 

Post#92 » by 76ciology » Mon Feb 8, 2021 6:14 pm

davesilver wrote:
76ciology wrote:
stormi wrote:
This has no correlation with producing a championship roster. That sounds like a typical Cavaliers or Bulls game.


History only serves as a guide than a crystal ball.

And if you want a history lesson, Morey said it that he believes championship teams should have two MVP caliber players. This is why if you look at his career it is built on this.

And if you look at MVP caliber players, these guys are mostly scorers. Not dikembe mutombo or ben wallace where you can have godly defensive skills but if you have lethargic offense then you dont fit the category.

That said, Nets would be more fitting to Morey’s definition of a championship team.

And its not a “typical cavaliers or bulls game” this has been so prevalent. Try to subscribe to leaguepass and watch other teams play.

Here are some examples




You can also check the Nets-Celts game played last 3 days ago

The game has become predictable IMO. Exchange of jabs from first to late third. Game gets serious Late third to end of game with teams trading baskets (via 2 man game or 1v1) until the loser is the team that is left standing with no chair when the music stops.

This is why its a must to have multiple guys who can score via 2 man games and 1v1, and it would be preferred if they also are multi positional defenders


Tobias can do everything Middleton does in those final 2 minutes.


I hope so. I love what im seeing in Tobi’s development. He’s been trying to develop the right things.
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Re: Can we Beat Brooklyn (7 game series) 

Post#93 » by elchengue20 » Mon Feb 8, 2021 7:06 pm

Watched the final minutes of Nets vs Toronto on Friday night.

Harden and Kyrie fit is not ideal. Both ball dominant. Harden took care of the offense and Kyrie just watched for the most part. It was like Kyrie wasn't playing. Plus, they suffered Kyrie terrible defense on the other side of the court. Also it looked like Kyrie was pissed with Harden.

I have 0 doubts they would be miles better if they traded Krie for a couple of elite role players. They should build the team Morey style. Two MVPS (Durant and Harden) and elite role players.

Durant was out because of Covid protocls though. His presence obviously makes everything easier. He's a fricking monster. I still think they woul beat us in a Playoff series. We are an even more flawed team, and less talented. But for sure they have serious issues.Specially if they don't figure out ways to complement Kyrie and Harden in the clutch.
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Re: Can we Beat Brooklyn (7 game series) 

Post#94 » by ivysixer2000 » Tue Feb 9, 2021 12:58 am

Well we could always let the dominoes fall where they may.

Deal Ben for Beal or Lavine (yeah not the like bulls want to give him up so it would take Ben). They are both young so we can build around them. If you think the Bulls would take Lavine for Tobias, I'm listening, although my shadow of a doubt is high.

Oladipo would be the most likely option, except they hate Morey. He wants to go to the Heat, just like Jimmy, so whats the point.

End of the day, we will need to win with what we have cause we can beat the Nets, or make yet another trade we will probably regret.
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Post#95 » by 76ciology » Fri Feb 26, 2021 6:35 am

Spoiler:
76ciology wrote:“They are terrible on D”

Who will they have trouble defending aside from Embiid?

If Im the Nets, I’d implement the same strategy Hawks did against Prime Dwight Howard and the Magic in 2011.



Defend Biid on single coverage.
Let him get his 40+pts.
Stay at bay on everyone else.

Dwight averaged 27pts on 63FG% on this series.

Hawks won this series 4-2


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Post#96 » by kriss73 » Fri Feb 26, 2021 8:48 am

I'd like to see how the Nets play with all their three stars on the floor.
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Post#97 » by LloydFree » Fri Feb 26, 2021 12:41 pm

As currently constructed, the 76ers can't beat a fully healthy Brooklyn Nets. Now I doubt they'll be fully healthy by the time the ECF occurs, but if they are, the 76ers need another player who can pretend to defend Kyrie Irving or James Harden and has the ability to make them work on the Defensive end.

I'd trade for Victor Oladipo to put in the Starting Lineup, if he can pass a physical.
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Re: Can we Beat Brooklyn (7 game series) 

Post#98 » by Sixersftw » Fri Feb 26, 2021 2:16 pm

76ciology wrote:[/spoiler]

As i was saying..


I'm not saying that the Sixers can beat the Nets. They probably can't. However, this strategy is nonsense. The Hawks, while not world beaters, were not basically the worst defensive team in the league. Also, the Sixers have a lot more than role players outside of Jo. Locking up Tobias and Ben is not the same as locking up a washed Hedo and Jason Richardson. Lastly Joel =/= Dwight. ~40 points is the absolute zenith of what Dwight can do and that was against Al Horford. If the Nets play Jo 1 on 1 with one of those traffic cones they are going to have a bad time. If they are "making" Jo guard Shamet who the hell is guarding Jo?

To beat us you have to take away Jo like the Raptors do. Our entire strategy is to bludgeon you with Jo and to make that easier seems like a poor tactic.
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Re: Can we Beat Brooklyn (7 game series) 

Post#99 » by Stanford » Fri Feb 26, 2021 3:06 pm

Sixersftw wrote:The Hawks, while not world beaters, were not basically the worst defensive team in the league. Also, the Sixers have a lot more than role players outside of Jo. Locking up Tobias and Ben is not the same as locking up a washed Hedo and Jason Richardson. Lastly Joel =/= Dwight. ~40 points is the absolute zenith of what Dwight can do and that was against Al Horford. If the Nets play Jo 1 on 1 with one of those traffic cones they are going to have a bad time. If they are "making" Jo guard Shamet who the hell is guarding Jo?


Great point. I agree with you. I think we pretty much always lose to the Nets, but I don't think this comparison makes sense.
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Post#100 » by M2J » Sat Feb 27, 2021 9:54 pm

Stanford wrote:
Sixersftw wrote:The Hawks, while not world beaters, were not basically the worst defensive team in the league. Also, the Sixers have a lot more than role players outside of Jo. Locking up Tobias and Ben is not the same as locking up a washed Hedo and Jason Richardson. Lastly Joel =/= Dwight. ~40 points is the absolute zenith of what Dwight can do and that was against Al Horford. If the Nets play Jo 1 on 1 with one of those traffic cones they are going to have a bad time. If they are "making" Jo guard Shamet who the hell is guarding Jo?


Great point. I agree with you. I think we pretty much always lose to the Nets, but I don't think this comparison makes sense.


Makes no sense at all. I've been saying that. This team is better than Orlando, and Joel is a much more dangerous scorer than Dwight and can do it from different locations on the floor with his shooting. RIGHT NOW the Nets, Joel should destroy then everytime down the court. Get Jordan in foul trouble and then really go to work. Dwight averaging 27 is different than someone averaging 40 to 50.

But also on the perimeter you want guys to drive on the Nets horrible defenders. Kyrie sucks, Harden sucks, and Durant is more of a team defender than great on ball... that isn't an every possession defender. Now, they think it's smart to switch everything. That style gets eaten up in the playoffs, because you can just get Kyrie or Harris or Harden or even Jordan to come out on every possession. But even Seth can drive by Kyrie. This team isn't what that Atlanta team was defensively.

The key is always Ben. If Ben is aggressive Ben on both ends, and playing like he is now. With their interior defense.... It's a problem.

Defensively, the Sixers are one of the best suited team to slow them some.

We'll see how the regular season and rosters play out.. but I've been impressed with the Nets all year when they have 2 stars playing, their offense is already tops with that. They plug in more defenders. When you put a weaker defender, it changes things.

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