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Re: Trade Deadline Thread 

Post#1621 » by PhillyPhilly » Sat Mar 27, 2021 2:39 pm

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Masai is very overrated.

All he did was sleep in the house Bryan Colangelo built.

And he had nothing to do with Kawhi Leonard. Pop was pissed at Kawhi and shipped him to Canada because he thought it was the opposite of California.

And he lucked into Siakam. If he knew he was going to be good, why didnt he take him at #9 instead of drafting a bust in Yakub Purtle?


Partly true.

Prior to the Siakam, FVV and Kawhi era, he did sleep in the house BC built.

He eventually turned it around.

Probably just waiting for the right move to strike? Who would have thought that Demar could get you a superstar in Kawhi.

He’s good but i wouldnt say he’s on the tier as GMs like Presti.

I think people are overanalyzing the Kawhi trade. I literally think it boiled down to Pop sending Kawhi to Canada out of spite. I don't think it had anything to do with Massai's negotiating abilities or his shrewdness as a GM.


The Raps had everything to lose making that trade...they gave away a star player in Derozen and got Kawhi in full knowledge that it was most likely a one year rental but Masai was brave enough to do it. Pop didn't care about "sending him to canada" he cared about who had the best deal on the table and in his eyes it was the raps. Another underrated move was Masai getting Danny Green in that deal too.

In closing if you don't think Masai is good can you name the gm's you think are better?
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Post#1622 » by hookshot199 » Sat Mar 27, 2021 3:18 pm

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Kobblehead wrote:
76ciology wrote:
Partly true.

Prior to the Siakam, FVV and Kawhi era, he did sleep in the house BC built.

He eventually turned it around.

Probably just waiting for the right move to strike? Who would have thought that Demar could get you a superstar in Kawhi.

He’s good but i wouldnt say he’s on the tier as GMs like Presti.

I think people are overanalyzing the Kawhi trade. I literally think it boiled down to Pop sending Kawhi to Canada out of spite. I don't think it had anything to do with Massai's negotiating abilities or his shrewdness as a GM.


The Raps had everything to lose making that trade...they gave away a star player in Derozen and got Kawhi in full knowledge that it was most likely a one year rental but Masai was brave enough to do it. Pop didn't care about "sending him to canada" he cared about who had the best deal on the table and in his eyes it was the raps. Another underrated move was Masai getting Danny Green in that deal too.

In closing if you don't think Masai is good can you name the gm's you think are better?


This wasn't a good decision. In the end, he got nothing for his star. We shouldn't have been in the running anyway, because we couldn't afford to give up Danny Green and Seth Curry and definitely not Thybulle if we believe that Brooklyn is the team to beat in the East. We just didn't have enough junk pieces to meet the 20% thresshold to acquire Lowry’s $30 million salary.

Mike Scott ($5.0 million), Tony Bradley ($3.5 million), Vincent Poirier ($2.6 million) and Terrance Ferguson ($3.94 million) = $15 million. I guess we could have added Kork ($1.7 million), but that’s still only $16.7 million.
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Re: Trade Deadline Thread 

Post#1623 » by the_process » Sat Mar 27, 2021 3:41 pm

PhillyPhilly wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:
76ciology wrote:
Partly true.

Prior to the Siakam, FVV and Kawhi era, he did sleep in the house BC built.

He eventually turned it around.

Probably just waiting for the right move to strike? Who would have thought that Demar could get you a superstar in Kawhi.

He’s good but i wouldnt say he’s on the tier as GMs like Presti.

I think people are overanalyzing the Kawhi trade. I literally think it boiled down to Pop sending Kawhi to Canada out of spite. I don't think it had anything to do with Massai's negotiating abilities or his shrewdness as a GM.


The Raps had everything to lose making that trade...they gave away a star player in Derozen and got Kawhi in full knowledge that it was most likely a one year rental but Masai was brave enough to do it. Pop didn't care about "sending him to canada" he cared about who had the best deal on the table and in his eyes it was the raps. Another underrated move was Masai getting Danny Green in that deal too.

In closing if you don't think Masai is good can you name the gm's you think are better?


The Raps had literally nothing to lose in that deal. They had choked in the playoffs again and were about to blow it up, then Kawhi became available. Pop went all stubborn old man and decided he wanted to keep "winning" and DeRozan was the biggest name he could get because the Sixers were offering the package they eventually traded for Jimmy Butler.
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Re: Trade Deadline Thread 

Post#1624 » by 76ciology » Sat Mar 27, 2021 3:51 pm

the_process wrote:
PhillyPhilly wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:I think people are overanalyzing the Kawhi trade. I literally think it boiled down to Pop sending Kawhi to Canada out of spite. I don't think it had anything to do with Massai's negotiating abilities or his shrewdness as a GM.


The Raps had everything to lose making that trade...they gave away a star player in Derozen and got Kawhi in full knowledge that it was most likely a one year rental but Masai was brave enough to do it. Pop didn't care about "sending him to canada" he cared about who had the best deal on the table and in his eyes it was the raps. Another underrated move was Masai getting Danny Green in that deal too.

In closing if you don't think Masai is good can you name the gm's you think are better?


The Raps had literally nothing to lose in that deal. They had choked in the playoffs again and were about to blow it up, then Kawhi became available. Pop went all stubborn old man and decided he wanted to keep "winning" and DeRozan was the biggest name he could get because the Sixers were offering the package they eventually traded for Jimmy Butler.


If you think about it, we could had both Kawhi and Jimmy.

Spurs was asking Ben or Biid for Kawhi. If we traded Ben for Kawhi then traded for Jimmy with the same package. Then you could also proceed to trade for Tobi.

In 2018-2019 season, you could had..

JJ
Butler
Kawhi
Tobi
Biid

Sure Kawhi can and is likely to walk away. But you can re-sign Jimmy given he can be alpha playmaker on the team now.

But you’d likely win a championship and still have a trio of Jimmy, Tobi and Biid.
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Re: Trade Deadline Thread 

Post#1625 » by 76ciology » Sat Mar 27, 2021 3:54 pm

Kobblehead wrote:
76ciology wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:
Masai is very overrated.

All he did was sleep in the house Bryan Colangelo built.

And he had nothing to do with Kawhi Leonard. Pop was pissed at Kawhi and shipped him to Canada because he thought it was the opposite of California.

And he lucked into Siakam. If he knew he was going to be good, why didnt he take him at #9 instead of drafting a bust in Yakub Purtle?


Partly true.

Prior to the Siakam, FVV and Kawhi era, he did sleep in the house BC built.

He eventually turned it around.

Probably just waiting for the right move to strike? Who would have thought that Demar could get you a superstar in Kawhi.

He’s good but i wouldnt say he’s on the tier as GMs like Presti.

I think people are overanalyzing the Kawhi trade. I literally think it boiled down to Pop sending Kawhi to Canada out of spite. I don't think it had anything to do with Massai's negotiating abilities or his shrewdness as a GM.


True.

The deal was nothing creative and it was just being at the right place and at the right time.

But it took some sort of a good risk calculation in making that deal.

Masai could also stay in the status quo and play it safe, despite having that opportunity.

He knew that his championship odds will increase vastly with Kawhi. He knew that he’d still have a good team even when Kawhi walks away.

We could have did something similar but we didnt have the balls and the foresight to pull the trigger.

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If you think about it, we could had both Kawhi and Jimmy.

Spurs was asking Ben or Biid for Kawhi. If we traded Ben for Kawhi then traded for Jimmy with the same package. Then you could also proceed to trade for Tobi.

In 2018-2019 season, you could had..

JJ
Butler
Kawhi
Tobi
Biid

Sure Kawhi can and is likely to walk away. But you can re-sign Jimmy given he can be alpha playmaker on the team now.

But you’d likely win a championship and still have a trio of Jimmy, Tobi and Biid.
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Re: Trade Deadline Thread 

Post#1626 » by the_process » Sat Mar 27, 2021 4:07 pm

76ciology wrote:
the_process wrote:
PhillyPhilly wrote:
The Raps had everything to lose making that trade...they gave away a star player in Derozen and got Kawhi in full knowledge that it was most likely a one year rental but Masai was brave enough to do it. Pop didn't care about "sending him to canada" he cared about who had the best deal on the table and in his eyes it was the raps. Another underrated move was Masai getting Danny Green in that deal too.

In closing if you don't think Masai is good can you name the gm's you think are better?


The Raps had literally nothing to lose in that deal. They had choked in the playoffs again and were about to blow it up, then Kawhi became available. Pop went all stubborn old man and decided he wanted to keep "winning" and DeRozan was the biggest name he could get because the Sixers were offering the package they eventually traded for Jimmy Butler.


If you think about it, we could had both Kawhi and Jimmy.

Spurs was asking Ben or Biid for Kawhi. If we traded Ben for Kawhi then traded for Jimmy with the same package. Then you could also proceed to trade for Tobi.

In 2018-2019 season, you could had..

JJ
Butler
Kawhi
Tobi
Biid

Sure Kawhi can and is likely to walk away. But you can re-sign Jimmy given he can be alpha playmaker on the team now.

But you’d likely win a championship and still have a trio of Jimmy, Tobi and Biid.


Jimmy's problem wasn't just with Ben, though. It was first Brett, then Ben, and to a lesser extent also Tobias. So I don't think you can assume Jimmy would've resigned.
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Re: Trade Deadline Thread 

Post#1627 » by 76ciology » Sat Mar 27, 2021 4:22 pm

the_process wrote:
76ciology wrote:
the_process wrote:
The Raps had literally nothing to lose in that deal. They had choked in the playoffs again and were about to blow it up, then Kawhi became available. Pop went all stubborn old man and decided he wanted to keep "winning" and DeRozan was the biggest name he could get because the Sixers were offering the package they eventually traded for Jimmy Butler.


If you think about it, we could had both Kawhi and Jimmy.

Spurs was asking Ben or Biid for Kawhi. If we traded Ben for Kawhi then traded for Jimmy with the same package. Then you could also proceed to trade for Tobi.

In 2018-2019 season, you could had..

JJ
Butler
Kawhi
Tobi
Biid

Sure Kawhi can and is likely to walk away. But you can re-sign Jimmy given he can be alpha playmaker on the team now.

But you’d likely win a championship and still have a trio of Jimmy, Tobi and Biid.


Jimmy's problem wasn't just with Ben, though. It was first Brett, then Ben, and to a lesser extent also Tobias. So I don't think you can assume Jimmy would've resigned.


Then fire brett.

BC has been calling to fire brett that Brett was sleeping with the enemy for a season. MDA probably was bored to death sitting beside Brett.
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Re: Trade Deadline Thread 

Post#1628 » by sixers hoops » Sat Mar 27, 2021 4:43 pm

Kobblehead wrote:
76ciology wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:
Masai is very overrated.

All he did was sleep in the house Bryan Colangelo built.

And he had nothing to do with Kawhi Leonard. Pop was pissed at Kawhi and shipped him to Canada because he thought it was the opposite of California.

And he lucked into Siakam. If he knew he was going to be good, why didnt he take him at #9 instead of drafting a bust in Yakub Purtle?


Partly true.

Prior to the Siakam, FVV and Kawhi era, he did sleep in the house BC built.

He eventually turned it around.

Probably just waiting for the right move to strike? Who would have thought that Demar could get you a superstar in Kawhi.

He’s good but i wouldnt say he’s on the tier as GMs like Presti.

I think people are overanalyzing the Kawhi trade. I literally think it boiled down to Pop sending Kawhi to Canada out of spite. I don't think it had anything to do with Massai's negotiating abilities or his shrewdness as a GM.


Yeah, not sure if it was Canada specifically, but he wasn’t sending him to LA, NY, GS, Miami, etc. Pop had three stars in Duncan, Parker, and Manu, who didn’t grow up here, and were all comfortable winning around Duncan. He didn’t have to deal with the small market challenges of stars trying to bolt after you develop them. Duncan almost went to Orlando with McGrady and Grant Hill, but stayed with SA.

When Kawhi wanted out, he wasn’t going to send him to one of the markets where stars have gone to build superteams. He wanted to send him somewhere cold and without another superstar, and Toronto fit the bill. I’m sure for the right package he would have dumped him in Minnesota or Detroit for a year, but I agree that Pop was clearly making a principled stand.
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Re: Trade Deadline Thread 

Post#1629 » by the_process » Sat Mar 27, 2021 5:10 pm

76ciology wrote:
the_process wrote:
76ciology wrote:
If you think about it, we could had both Kawhi and Jimmy.

Spurs was asking Ben or Biid for Kawhi. If we traded Ben for Kawhi then traded for Jimmy with the same package. Then you could also proceed to trade for Tobi.

In 2018-2019 season, you could had..

JJ
Butler
Kawhi
Tobi
Biid

Sure Kawhi can and is likely to walk away. But you can re-sign Jimmy given he can be alpha playmaker on the team now.

But you’d likely win a championship and still have a trio of Jimmy, Tobi and Biid.


Jimmy's problem wasn't just with Ben, though. It was first Brett, then Ben, and to a lesser extent also Tobias. So I don't think you can assume Jimmy would've resigned.


Then fire brett.

BC has been calling to fire brett that Brett was sleeping with the enemy for a season. MDA probably was bored to death sitting beside Brett.


Agreed on all points. Except that if the Sixers had traded for Kawhi and won a title... then they couldn't fire Brett.
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Re: Trade Deadline Thread 

Post#1630 » by PhillyPhilly » Sat Mar 27, 2021 5:34 pm

It's funny how folks want to give Presti a pass for trading away an all time great talent like Harden, but then turn around and downplay Masai's role in trading for Kawhi??? Tell me how that makes sense?? Also Masai took a chance on Nurse during that very year so he made two huge moves in order to get a championship. Meanwhile Presti and Morey are still waiting for theirs despite their big reputations and having much better players to work with during their tenures.
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Re: Trade Deadline Thread 

Post#1631 » by M2J » Sat Mar 27, 2021 6:11 pm

Trying to downplay Masai's decision to trade the player that would've been deemed the all time greatest Raptors player.... For a definite rental is silly. It was absolutely a great move. Not something everyone would do. Especially when it pays off.

There seem to be a lot of accusations of coincidence in this thread regarding him. Including the fact that they have about 4 young core players already in a rebuild. Including Trent jr.
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Re: Trade Deadline Thread 

Post#1632 » by 76ciology » Sat Mar 27, 2021 9:36 pm

the_process wrote:
76ciology wrote:
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Jimmy's problem wasn't just with Ben, though. It was first Brett, then Ben, and to a lesser extent also Tobias. So I don't think you can assume Jimmy would've resigned.


Then fire brett.

BC has been calling to fire brett that Brett was sleeping with the enemy for a season. MDA probably was bored to death sitting beside Brett.


Agreed on all points. Except that if the Sixers had traded for Kawhi and won a title... then they couldn't fire Brett.


Ok. Win championship then buyout Brett using Al Horford money 8-)
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Re: Trade Deadline Thread 

Post#1633 » by the_process » Sat Mar 27, 2021 10:21 pm

76ciology wrote:
the_process wrote:
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Then fire brett.

BC has been calling to fire brett that Brett was sleeping with the enemy for a season. MDA probably was bored to death sitting beside Brett.


Agreed on all points. Except that if the Sixers had traded for Kawhi and won a title... then they couldn't fire Brett.


Ok. Win championship then buyout Brett using Al Horford money 8-)


Win title, Kawhi walks and Jimmy leaves, don't trade for Tobias, sign Brogdon instead of Horford, no Morey means they can trade all their picks for Harden :lol:

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