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Post#61 » by HotelVitale » Fri Mar 26, 2021 8:55 pm

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sixers4real wrote:That is not true. Why would we want to dump expirings?

... Because the 76ers are in the tax and those "expirings" count against the tax. To remove 10.5 million dollars worth of salary without taking any money back, takes minimum two 2nds.

That's rarely what championship caliber team fans worry about

Hmm I would thank a champ team is way less worried about some late 2nds than they are about cutting salary that’s so useless it’s going to get owners feeling a certain way about huge tax bills.
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Post#62 » by Kobblehead » Sat Mar 27, 2021 12:10 am

Murray_17 wrote:My commentary was ironic, you have to stretch a lot the word creator to put Lou there

Not at all. The definition of a creator is a guy that can score off the dribble from every level in the halfcourt. Lou Williams fits the term creator, to the t.
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Post#63 » by Murray_17 » Sat Mar 27, 2021 12:12 am

Kobblehead wrote:Not at all. The definition of a creator is a guy that can score off the dribble from every level in the halfcourt. Lou Williams fits the term creator, to the t.



This is a ESPN comentator take if i saw one
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Post#64 » by Kobblehead » Sat Mar 27, 2021 12:13 am

George Hill was a decent role player tier creator back in his Indiana days but he's essentially a glorified shooting specialist since then.

So between he and Steph Curry, we have wasted four future 2nd rounders for a pair of 180 pound shooters.
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Post#65 » by Kobblehead » Sat Mar 27, 2021 12:14 am

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Kobblehead wrote:Not at all. The definition of a creator is a guy that can score off the dribble from every level in the halfcourt. Lou Williams fits the term creator, to the t.



This is a ESPN comentator take if i saw one

Try to forget every other time you've seen the term used because only my way is the correct way. If Lou Williams doesn't qualify for being a creator, then the term doesn't make sense.
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Post#66 » by ExplosionsInDaSky » Sat Mar 27, 2021 1:35 am

stormi wrote:Lou Will is absolutely garbage.


Being a little hard on Lou aren't ya? I mean, this is downright overreaction. He's far from garbage, but ok.
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Post#67 » by ExplosionsInDaSky » Sat Mar 27, 2021 1:40 am

I'm not at all complaining about us adding George Hill, but there are some insane overreactions regarding Lou Williams all of a sudden on this forum. We're talking about arguably the best sixth man in the last twenty years. I mean, Toni Kukoc, Vinnie Johnson? He's right there with Jason Terry, Jamal Crawford. Lou would have definitely helped us. I think the idea was to keep the ball in the hands of Simmons and then Shake when he comes off the bench. Lou would have changed that to a degree. George does not, and he's a better defender than Lou. So again, i'm not complaining at all about us getting Hill, I'm just pointing out that some of you are overreacting about Lou as a player.
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Post#68 » by stormi » Sat Mar 27, 2021 1:48 am



Exciting. Didn't know his wingspan was 6'9 either.
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Post#69 » by phifans » Sat Mar 27, 2021 4:34 am

Morey definitely has a thought of flip Hill for some long-term assets later when he decided to trade for him. Just like what he planed to do to Danny Green when he got him last summer.

And he almost succeed until Masai decided to screw everything (mostly to KL and his own team).
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Post#70 » by Kobblehead » Sat Mar 27, 2021 2:38 pm

"Geoge Hill gives you everything Kyle Lowry gives you...."

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Post#71 » by kriss73 » Sat Mar 27, 2021 6:30 pm

phifans wrote:Morey definitely has a thought of flip Hill for some long-term assets later when he decided to trade for him. Just like what he planed to do to Danny Green when he got him last summer.

And he almost succeed until Masai decided to screw everything (mostly to KL and his own team).


This summer he has to trade the 8M TPE for an expiring contract.
Then, at the trade deadline, he can flip this 8M exp contract, Hill's 10M not guaranteed , Maxey or Tibulle or another a young piece and picks for whoever star is on the block.
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Post#72 » by zaz102 » Sat Mar 27, 2021 6:40 pm

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phifans wrote:Morey definitely has a thought of flip Hill for some long-term assets later when he decided to trade for him. Just like what he planed to do to Danny Green when he got him last summer.

And he almost succeed until Masai decided to screw everything (mostly to KL and his own team).


This summer he has to trade the 8M TPE for an expiring contract.
Then, at the trade deadline, he can flip this 8M exp contract, Hill's 10M not guaranteed , Maxey or Tibulle or another a young piece and picks for whoever star is on the block.
Hills salary becomes guaranteed on July 1. I think it'll prove pretty valuable either way.
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Post#73 » by 76ciology » Mon Apr 5, 2021 8:37 am

I was thinking about the Hill trade.

I do think Hill was part of the Horford trade. But these smart guys like Presti and Morey puts a certain condition where Morey has the option to trade for Hill by the deadline. Or maybe its because of Hill’s trade eligibility after he was just traded to the Bucks then (could be wrong).

So in the bigger scheme of things:

It’s something like..

OKC:
Horford
2025 1st round pick
2025 2nd round pick
2026 2nd round pick

Sixers:
George Hill
Danny Green
Trade Exemption (AKA salaries for our double size FO)

This was conceived during the flurry of trades where Bucks gave up multiple firsts for Jrue and Suns gave up multiple picks for Cp3.
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Post#74 » by ExplosionsInDaSky » Mon Apr 5, 2021 12:45 pm

Well....However it has to work, I don't care. If Hill can eventually be part of something bigger, then fine. However.. right now...We are totally competing for something big, and it would be great to see him contribute in some fashion.
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Post#75 » by HartfordWhalers » Mon Apr 5, 2021 1:39 pm

76ciology wrote:I was thinking about the Hill trade.

I do think Hill was part of the Horford trade. But these smart guys like Presti and Morey puts a certain condition where Morey has the option to trade for Hill by the deadline. Or maybe its because of Hill’s trade eligibility after he was just traded to the Bucks then (could be wrong).

So in the bigger scheme of things:

It’s something like..

OKC:
Horford
2025 1st round pick
2025 2nd round pick
2026 2nd round pick

Sixers:
George Hill
Danny Green
Trade Exemption (AKA salaries for our double size FO)

This was conceived during the flurry of trades where Bucks gave up multiple firsts for Jrue and Suns gave up multiple picks for Cp3.


This is just crazy. Instead of having Hill for half a season and a cleaner trade, the teams agreed to a secret trade later that would become more convicted and require a third team because OKC cannot take back the placeholders they sent?

Why would that be the case?

OKC preferred to risk having Philly back out and risk not finding a third team and risk getting caught by the league all so they could have George Hill interfere with their tank for a little ?
And Philly wanted to not do it then because what, they wanted to make it look like they could do a second move later, even if it cost them some games?
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Post#76 » by 76ciology » Mon Apr 5, 2021 1:55 pm

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76ciology wrote:I was thinking about the Hill trade.

I do think Hill was part of the Horford trade. But these smart guys like Presti and Morey puts a certain condition where Morey has the option to trade for Hill by the deadline. Or maybe its because of Hill’s trade eligibility after he was just traded to the Bucks then (could be wrong).

So in the bigger scheme of things:

It’s something like..

OKC:
Horford
2025 1st round pick
2025 2nd round pick
2026 2nd round pick

Sixers:
George Hill
Danny Green
Trade Exemption (AKA salaries for our double size FO)

This was conceived during the flurry of trades where Bucks gave up multiple firsts for Jrue and Suns gave up multiple picks for Cp3.


This is just crazy. Instead of having Hill for half a season and a cleaner trade, the teams agreed to a secret trade later that would become more convicted and require a third team because OKC cannot take back the placeholders they sent?

Why would that be the case?

OKC preferred to risk having Philly back out and risk not finding a third team and risk getting caught by the league all so they could have George Hill interfere with their tank for a little ?
And Philly wanted to not do it then because what, they wanted to make it look like they could do a second move later, even if it cost them some games?


First of all, this is just a possibility so im not saying this is how it turned out.

Maybe it’s Presti who has the option.

But remember how during the offseason, GHill’s name already came up? I think Morey has been really eyeing him. And if there were some leaks, it means GHill to Sixers are likely to have been discussed back then.

I find that during the offseason, Presti does not want to just hand over Hill because as you can see the league was overpaying for guys like Cp3, Jrue and maybe even Lowry. He’s a smart guy and he wants some protection. Maybe some desperate playoff or trying to make the playoff team like the Celts or Bulls would give up more than a couple of 2nd rounders for GHill.

And back in the offseason doing this entire deal (Green+Ghill+picks for Al), could end up backfiring Presti in hindsight given the possibility that some team may offer more than a couple of 2nd rounders for GHill. And he doesnt want that to happen just as we added some protection on our 2025 pick just in case it ends up being some high lottery pick.

So im thinking that part of the deal is Sixers can do this Ghill deal if Presti hasnt find any offers for GHill.
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Post#77 » by HartfordWhalers » Mon Apr 5, 2021 3:02 pm

What if this was all a dream, and we fell asleep watching a Jakarr Sampson 1 on 4 breakaway versus the Knicks and nothing has ever happened since?

When we wake up, we will still be Wroten.
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Post#78 » by SRM82 » Mon Apr 5, 2021 3:03 pm

Lol

Is this guy ever going to play?
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Post#79 » by Sixerscan » Mon Apr 5, 2021 3:29 pm

I don’t think there was anything formal, but sure, they probably discussed it around the time of the original trade, couldn’t figure out the compensation, but those initial talks probably set the parameters that allowed them to more easily resume talks at the deadline and it ended up working out that time.
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Post#80 » by LloydFree » Mon Apr 5, 2021 8:14 pm

Sixerscan wrote:I don’t think there was anything formal, but sure, they probably discussed it around the time of the original trade, couldn’t figure out the compensation, but those initial talks probably set the parameters that allowed them to more easily resume talks at the deadline and it ended up working out that time.

The trade was likely discussed. OKC probably wanted to hold on to him, to pump his value. Considering Marcus Morris got a 1st round pick at the deadline last year, It's reasonable to assume, had Hill stayed healthy and shot 45% from 3 again this year, they'd be able to get a 1st for him this year. The 76ers likely wouldn't have wanted to commit to that kind compensation at the beginning of the year. If nothing, but for the appearances of trading two 1sts to get rid of Horford.
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