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Re: Disappointed at Doc Rivers for this 

Post#21 » by BullyKing » Wed Mar 31, 2021 2:34 pm

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BullyKing wrote:I just don't think you can compare the worlds.


You're right, I've never had the kind of relationship with a boss that players have with coaches.


You never had a boss look at you like the way Brett looked at TJ?
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Re: Disappointed at Doc Rivers for this 

Post#22 » by Stanford » Wed Mar 31, 2021 2:36 pm

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BullyKing wrote:I just don't think you can compare the worlds.


You're right, I've never had the kind of relationship with a boss that players have with coaches.


You never had a boss look at you like the way Brett looked at TJ?


Gag order. Can't discuss.
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Re: Disappointed at Doc Rivers for this 

Post#23 » by Sixersftw » Wed Mar 31, 2021 2:50 pm

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You're right, I've never had the kind of relationship with a boss that players have with coaches.


You never had a boss look at you like the way Brett looked at TJ?


Gag order. Can't discuss.

Are we not doing phrasing anymore?

This isn't anything to harp on but it isn't a good way to do business and these guys, yes even Poirier, shouldn't be dehumanized by their coworkers. Their salary has nothing to do with it.
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Re: Disappointed at Doc Rivers for this 

Post#24 » by snoopdogg88 » Wed Mar 31, 2021 2:56 pm

I’m not sure how this is even debatable. It’s pretty **** for Doc to not even take 10 seconds to send a baseline “best of luck thanks for your hard work” text. Especially if he did reach out to the other players traded. It’s just common professional courtesy amongst literally every industry ever.

Disappointing from a man in his 60s who should know better.
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Re: Disappointed at Doc Rivers for this 

Post#25 » by Negrodamus » Wed Mar 31, 2021 2:59 pm

The difference between all of us and Poirier is the lack of media attention when we leave jobs. Would it have been nice if they reached out to him? Sure. Should I or any of us know about whether he received a parting message from his bosses? Not really. Hundreds of these transactions happen every year and we don't hear a peep about it. Hardly something we should be "disappointed" about. I'm more disappointed they got waxed by the Nuggets last night.
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Re: Disappointed at Doc Rivers for this 

Post#26 » by agiaco » Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:00 pm

Y'all are reading too much into a story with only one side and little context. Playoffs should start sooner so we don't have to discuss stuff like this.
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Re: Disappointed at Doc Rivers for this 

Post#27 » by LloydFree » Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:24 pm

Dude got traded 3 times in the past 4 months as salary filler, and didn't play for any of the 4 teams that had him. He knew what his situation was, before the season started.

If he didn't want to feel bad about being treated as nothing but a "commodity", he should have retired and went back to Europe back in December. He wanted the money due to him, so this is the price. This is what comes with being salary filler. He needs to cut it out.
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Re: Disappointed at Doc Rivers for this 

Post#28 » by spikeslovechild » Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:40 pm

Why is it on Doc to build a rapport with the scrub bench guys, anyways?

Shouldn't be on Poirer to build some sort of rapport with Doc you know if he actually cares about his playtime and career rather then cashing a paycheck? Or does he suspect he'll magically move off the bench to the starter role like some sort of disney movie where it just happens. Five guys go down and they call on Poirer.

Doc has been a player. He's been a coach. He's been an executive. He's done all sides. It's just comical and beyond disrespectful for a nobody like Poirer to trash a lifer in the media.
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Re: Disappointed at Doc Rivers for this 

Post#29 » by Stanford » Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:50 pm

spikeslovechild wrote:Why is it on Doc to build a rapport with the scrub bench guys, anyways?


Because a coach is supposed to be a leader and the adult in the room. Part of their job is to build rapport. He was with the team for months.

It's a text, dude. No one is saying he should have invited him over for thanksgiving dinner.

If he didn't want to feel bad about being treated as nothing but a "commodity", he should have retired and went back to Europe back in December.


Why is it so unreasonable for the coach of the team to make a single human gesture?
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Re: Disappointed at Doc Rivers for this 

Post#30 » by HotelVitale » Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:00 pm

Negrodamus wrote:The difference between all of us and Poirier is the lack of media attention when we leave jobs. Would it have been nice if they reached out to him? Sure. Should I or any of us know about whether he received a parting message from his bosses? Not really. Hundreds of these transactions happen every year and we don't hear a peep about it.


I don't think Poirier actually cares that much either, I used to live in France for a couple of years and my guess is that this is more about the setting of the comments than anything else. French folks talking in public, especially in interviews, like to present these sort of complex takes on everything, in which people express more passion and subtlety of character/emotions than they really need to. It's almost like people in the US would talk to a confidante or therapist--laying out nuances of emotions you're processing and trying to articulate why everything is complex for you as a human moving through the world. People still go about their days in the same way, it's not like they're constantly navel-gazing or anything, just a cultural thing where you're supposed to be able to articulate more detailed reactions to things when talking. It sounds weird but it's actually a pretty fun and interesting thing when you see it in action, and in some ways it's not that far from what we do here for basketball. Very normal to spend an hour or two splitting hairs over a very small difference in opinion or feeling--and to call that a fun night out.
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Re: Disappointed at Doc Rivers for this 

Post#31 » by Stanford » Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:04 pm

HotelVitale wrote:I don't think Poirier actually cares that much either


He certainly doesn't care about this as much as Lloyd and Bully do.
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Re: Disappointed at Doc Rivers for this 

Post#32 » by Negrodamus » Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:12 pm

HotelVitale wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:The difference between all of us and Poirier is the lack of media attention when we leave jobs. Would it have been nice if they reached out to him? Sure. Should I or any of us know about whether he received a parting message from his bosses? Not really. Hundreds of these transactions happen every year and we don't hear a peep about it.


I don't think Poirier actually cares that much either, I used to live in France for a couple of years and my guess is that this is more about the setting of the comments than anything else. French folks talking in public, especially in interviews, like to present these sort of complex takes on everything, in which people express more passion and subtlety of character/emotions than they really need to. It's almost like people in the US would talk to a confidante or therapist--laying out nuances of emotions you're processing and trying to articulate why everything is complex for you as a human moving through the world. People still go about their days in the same way, it's not like they're constantly navel-gazing or anything, just a cultural thing where you're supposed to be able to articulate more detailed reactions to things when talking. It sounds weird but it's actually a pretty fun and interesting thing when you see it in action, and in some ways it's not that far from what we do here for basketball. Very normal to spend an hour or two splitting hairs over a very small difference in opinion or feeling--and to call that a fun night out.


Interesting context. I will say that while it makes sense, it's probably not great for future NBA employment. If you search "Doc Rivers" on Google, among the articles is this story. I'm sure other coaches/GMs aren't interested in this press for a guy who barely plays. Maybe he doesn't want to continue playing in the NBA.

Hope that's not the case for him and he can have a long and lucrative career, but it just seemed unnecessary.
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Re: Disappointed at Doc Rivers for this 

Post#33 » by jotachase » Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:13 pm

It's not great behavior but it's not surprising he didn't send a message to Poirier when he could barely send one to Austin his entire childhood
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Re: Disappointed at Doc Rivers for this 

Post#34 » by BullyKing » Wed Mar 31, 2021 5:31 pm

Negrodamus wrote:
HotelVitale wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:The difference between all of us and Poirier is the lack of media attention when we leave jobs. Would it have been nice if they reached out to him? Sure. Should I or any of us know about whether he received a parting message from his bosses? Not really. Hundreds of these transactions happen every year and we don't hear a peep about it.


I don't think Poirier actually cares that much either, I used to live in France for a couple of years and my guess is that this is more about the setting of the comments than anything else. French folks talking in public, especially in interviews, like to present these sort of complex takes on everything, in which people express more passion and subtlety of character/emotions than they really need to. It's almost like people in the US would talk to a confidante or therapist--laying out nuances of emotions you're processing and trying to articulate why everything is complex for you as a human moving through the world. People still go about their days in the same way, it's not like they're constantly navel-gazing or anything, just a cultural thing where you're supposed to be able to articulate more detailed reactions to things when talking. It sounds weird but it's actually a pretty fun and interesting thing when you see it in action, and in some ways it's not that far from what we do here for basketball. Very normal to spend an hour or two splitting hairs over a very small difference in opinion or feeling--and to call that a fun night out.


Interesting context. I will say that while it makes sense, it's probably not great for future NBA employment. If you search "Doc Rivers" on Google, among the articles is this story. I'm sure other coaches/GMs aren't interested in this press for a guy who barely plays. Maybe he doesn't want to continue playing in the NBA.

Hope that's not the case for him and he can have a long and lucrative career, but it just seemed unnecessary.


Especially because this is now a pattern with him: https://boston.cbslocal.com/2020/11/12/vincent-poirier-clarifies-comments-says-he-doesnt-want-to-leave-celtics/

End of bench guys need to be no maintenance team players and he's just not remotely talented enough to be more than that.
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Re: Disappointed at Doc Rivers for this 

Post#35 » by ProcessDoctor » Wed Mar 31, 2021 6:20 pm

This is petty.
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Re: Disappointed at Doc Rivers for this 

Post#36 » by Dnt hate » Wed Mar 31, 2021 6:40 pm

jotachase wrote:It's not great behavior but it's not surprising he didn't send a message to Poirier when he could barely send one to Austin his entire childhood

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Re: Disappointed at Doc Rivers for this 

Post#37 » by Zumramania » Wed Mar 31, 2021 6:45 pm

I believe this is a mix of a few things, among others cognitive dissonance (basically an attempt to save his face) on his side and national pride on the side of the newspaper. Poirier was giving an interview for a national newspaper in France, if you click on the title they say "World Cup bronze medallist", so they portrayed him as a solid player who got wronged by the Sixers, should have gotten playing time but didn't and as the icing on the cake, Poirier says the coach didn't even send him a thank you message when he was traded. Even if this really happened, I believe we are missing some context as to how/why it happened.
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Re: Disappointed at Doc Rivers for this 

Post#39 » by Sixersftw » Wed Mar 31, 2021 8:39 pm



I'd love to know what kind of reassurance the Pels gave JJ. Saying the Nets, Sixers or buyout seems like a silly expectation for year 15 JJ. However, if the Pels are dumb enough to make that kind of promise to JJ then it is a little f'd up send him to Dallas but the team has to do whats right for them.
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Re: Disappointed at Doc Rivers for this 

Post#40 » by Skates » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:06 pm

This thread is almost as pointless and Vincent Poirer himself.

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