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Furkan Should be Starting Over Seth. 

Post#1 » by Hussien Fatal » Tue Apr 13, 2021 11:46 am

I get it we are 1st in the east so you could easily say if it ain’t broke don’t fix it but it’s gotta be said.

Furkan is a better defensive player, he’s like 5 inches taller, and he’s got a much faster release.

Seth could come in with shake on the 2nd unit, we also have George Hill coming back soon too so We won’t be losing much from the bench.

I personally think this move would make the starting unit more dynamic. What are your thoughts?

When in the lineup with both Ben and Joel, Furkan shoots 54% from the Field and 43% from 3. When he is able to play with leverage he is a lethal shooter.
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Post#2 » by 76ciology » Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:11 pm

I also find Furkan to be better in running those sets we run for JJ like those DHO with Biid and invert screens for Ben. I believe we were grooming Furk to replace JJ last season.

But here’s the thing. I do think we should stick with our rotation while having the luxury to insert guys better than Seth off the bench, based on match-ups and controlling the rhythm of the game (momentums). And you wont max out the roster by not starting Seth. Because it’s only when Seth plays with Biid and Ben where both guys can’t make up for his deficiency where we can make him bigger than who he is.

Stick with our starting unit but increase PT for Furkan.
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Post#3 » by Sixerscan » Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:23 pm

Can’t change the rotation every time a guy has a stretch of good games in blowouts.
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Post#4 » by TTP » Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:31 pm

I don't agree at all for a number of reasons.

Furkan is a quicker and more decisive shooter than Seth for sure, but he's also a considerably worse shooter and is far less efficient overall.

I'm not sure that Furkan makes our lineup more dynamic either. Furkan is a lot less willing to take shots other than 3s. We also run more 2 man game with Seth as the ball-handler and Simmons or Embiid as the roller, and Furkan doesn't do that stuff much because he's not as effective as a ball-handler or passer and isn't as threatening to pull up from mid-range like Seth will. Furkan is low key awful as a mid-range shooter and Seth is pretty great there (check the career percentages for each on basketballreference).

The most important factor though is just that our starting 5 have crushed it this year. +13.9 over a large sample.
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Post#5 » by Arsenal » Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:42 pm

Keep the starting lineup intact as they have great chemistry and production.

But give Kork more mins.

In the playoffs though, I expect the person replacing Curry in high leverage situations to be George Hill.

Hill is the most ready to help in the playoffs *this season*.

We should definitely resign Kork though. He's on the verge of a breakout and could be our best starting option as soon as next year.
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Post#6 » by Murray_17 » Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:01 pm

TTP wrote:I don't agree at all for a number of reasons.

Furkan is a quicker and more decisive shooter than Seth for sure, but he's also a considerably worse shooter and is far less efficient overall.

I'm not sure that Furkan makes our lineup more dynamic either. Furkan is a lot less willing to take shots other than 3s. We also run more 2 man game with Seth as the ball-handler and Simmons or Embiid as the roller, and Furkan doesn't do that stuff much because he's not as effective as a ball-handler or passer and isn't as threatening to pull up from mid-range like Seth will. Furkan is low key awful as a mid-range shooter and Seth is pretty great there (check the career percentages for each on basketballreference).

The most important factor though is just that our starting 5 have crushed it this year. +13.9 over a large sample.



All of this, plus Furkan tend to isolate himself on plays and is a bad passer, so he take a ton of bad shots.

Curry was a 45% 3 pt shooter as a bench player and is a 41% shooter as a starter playing 29 minutes. Furkan is already shooting at the same volume than seth at 37% and is playing 10 less minutes.

His percentages are gonna drop drastically if he plays 10 more minutes, just because of the volume he's gonna start to shoot, just look at the OKC game,

Now Hill? i think there is a legit argument for starting Hill over Curry, but i would not want to mess with team chemistry.
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Post#7 » by LloydFree » Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:04 pm

Seth Curry's minutes need to come down, and the lineup needs to be adjusted for playoff competition. But not for Furkan Korkmaz. Korkmaz is fine for beating up mediocre teams in the Regular Season, but he has no business on the court in the playoffs, unless there is foul trouble or injury. Seth has his own issues as a starter in the playoffs, but George Hill should be in there for Curry, not Korkmaz.
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Post#8 » by LloydFree » Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:11 pm

Arsenal wrote:Keep the starting lineup intact as they have great chemistry and production.

But give Kork more mins.

In the playoffs though, I expect the person replacing Curry in high leverage situations to be George Hill.

Hill is the most ready to help in the playoffs *this season*.

We should definitely resign Kork though. He's on the verge of a breakout and could be our best starting option as soon as next year.

I think Korkmaz may get an offer in Free agency that the 76ers won't match. They're up against the repeater luxury tax threshold, even while losing Danny Green and Mike Scott. I don't see them re-signing Korkmaz unless they can dump Seth Curry's salary for something.
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Post#9 » by PhillyNj » Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:12 pm

LloydFree wrote:Seth Curry's minutes need to come down, and the lineup needs to be adjusted for playoff competition. But not for Furkan Korkmaz. Korkmaz is fine for beating up mediocre teams in the Regular Season, but he has no business on the court in the playoffs, unless there is foul trouble or injury. Seth has his own issues as a starter in the playoffs, but George Hill should be in there for Curry, not Korkmaz.

I 100% agree. When he’s ready Hill should start.
I like Korkmaz but he’s one of the streakiest players I’ve ever seen. I definitely wouldn’t be happy with him starting.
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Post#10 » by TTP » Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:13 pm

Arsenal wrote:Keep the starting lineup intact as they have great chemistry and production.

But give Kork more mins.

In the playoffs though, I expect the person replacing Curry in high leverage situations to be George Hill.

Hill is the most ready to help in the playoffs *this season*.

We should definitely resign Kork though. He's on the verge of a breakout and could be our best starting option as soon as next year.


I have a hard time believing we’re going to re-sign Korkmaz. 7 of the 8 rotation players ahead of him are under contract for us next season. I have no idea what he’s going to get on the open market but if it’s more than like 8 mil a year, I can’t see us paying that to be our 8th man at best. They’re going to have to make a decision on Danny Green too.

The only way I see us matching a decent offer for Korkmaz (other than it being really cheap, which seems unlikely) is if they decide to move Curry. With how well our starting lineup has played with Curry though and with 2 more years on his deal, I doubt it happens. We also have Joe potentially being groomed for Korkmaz’s bench role at a fraction of the cost.
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Post#11 » by 76ciology » Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:17 pm

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Post#12 » by Hussien Fatal » Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:22 pm

76ciology wrote:I also find Furkan to be better in running those sets we run for JJ like those DHO with Biid and invert screens for Ben. I believe we were grooming Furk to replace JJ last season.

But here’s the thing. I do think we should stick with our rotation while having the luxury to insert guys better than Seth off the bench, based on match-ups and controlling the rhythm of the game (momentums). And you wont max out the roster by not starting Seth. Because it’s only when Seth plays with Biid and Ben where both guys can’t make up for his deficiency where we can make him bigger than who he is.

Stick with our starting unit but increase PT for Furkan.


When Furkan is in the lineup with Ben and Joel he shoots 54% and 43% from 3 as opposed to shooting just 36% and 34% from 3 In The none Joel and Ben lineups.
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Post#13 » by Hussien Fatal » Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:27 pm

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TTP wrote:I don't agree at all for a number of reasons.

Furkan is a quicker and more decisive shooter than Seth for sure, but he's also a considerably worse shooter and is far less efficient overall.

I'm not sure that Furkan makes our lineup more dynamic either. Furkan is a lot less willing to take shots other than 3s. We also run more 2 man game with Seth as the ball-handler and Simmons or Embiid as the roller, and Furkan doesn't do that stuff much because he's not as effective as a ball-handler or passer and isn't as threatening to pull up from mid-range like Seth will. Furkan is low key awful as a mid-range shooter and Seth is pretty great there (check the career percentages for each on basketballreference).

The most important factor though is just that our starting 5 have crushed it this year. +13.9 over a large sample.



All of this, plus Furkan tend to isolate himself on plays and is a bad passer, so he take a ton of bad shots.

Curry was a 45% 3 pt shooter as a bench player and is a 41% shooter as a starter playing 29 minutes. Furkan is already shooting at the same volume than seth at 37% and is playing 10 less minutes.

His percentages are gonna drop drastically if he plays 10 more minutes, just because of the volume he's gonna start to shoot, just look at the OKC game,

Now Hill? i think there is a legit argument for starting Hill over Curry, but i would not want to mess with team chemistry.



Not true! His percentages are outrageous playing alongside Joel and Ben, he is shooting 54%fg and 43%from 3 playing alongside those two.
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Post#14 » by rzzzzz » Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:34 pm

Curry was vital to our fast start out of the gate. Then he went down with Covid, and he hasn’t been anywhere near as consistent. He still has some great stretches, but some nights he’s running on empty. While hoping he catches fire again for the playoffs, I think Doc has got to make adjustments anticipating those nights where he don’t have it the whole game. I don’t think I would start Furkan over Seth, but I’d be prepared with multiple options, depending.
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Post#15 » by Murray_17 » Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:42 pm

Hussien Fatal wrote:

Not true! His percentages are outrageous playing alongside Joel and Ben, he is shooting 54%fg and 43%from 3 playing alongside those two.



Those are just 103 minutes of the entire season.... just too small of a sample to say anything. I will also be interested to see in which games those minutes came.
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Post#16 » by LloydFree » Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:43 pm

TTP wrote:
Arsenal wrote:Keep the starting lineup intact as they have great chemistry and production.

But give Kork more mins.

In the playoffs though, I expect the person replacing Curry in high leverage situations to be George Hill.

Hill is the most ready to help in the playoffs *this season*.

We should definitely resign Kork though. He's on the verge of a breakout and could be our best starting option as soon as next year.


I have a hard time believing we’re going to re-sign Korkmaz. 7 of the 8 rotation players ahead of him are under contract for us next season. I have no idea what he’s going to get on the open market but if it’s more than like 8 mil a year, I can’t see us paying that to be our 8th man at best. They’re going to have to make a decision on Danny Green too.

The only way I see us matching a decent offer for Korkmaz (other than it being really cheap, which seems unlikely) is if they decide to move Curry. With how well our starting lineup has played with Curry though and with 2 more years on his deal, I doubt it happens. We also have Joe potentially being groomed for Korkmaz’s bench role at a fraction of the cost.

There really is no room for Korkmaz.

T. Harris: 36m
Simmons:33m
J. Embiid: 32m
George H: 10m
Se. Curry: 8 m
Thybulle, Maxey, Milton, Joe and Reed: 10m

That's 129m, with the luxury tax being 136m. That leaves 7 million, with no backup Center and 4 roster spots to fill. Unless they cut George Hill or trade Curry, there is no way to spend on Korkmaz.
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Post#17 » by Negrodamus » Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:51 pm

Incoming 2/11, 4pt game for Korkmaz where half the board wants him waived by halftime.
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Post#18 » by Sixerscan » Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:55 pm

Negrodamus wrote:Incoming 2/11, 4pt game for Korkmaz where half the board wants him waived by halftime.

Lol

Seriously though he’s like the most inconsistent guy on the team, definition of a bench player you play more when he’s doing well and bench him when he’s not.
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Post#19 » by TTP » Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:59 pm

LloydFree wrote:
TTP wrote:
Arsenal wrote:Keep the starting lineup intact as they have great chemistry and production.

But give Kork more mins.

In the playoffs though, I expect the person replacing Curry in high leverage situations to be George Hill.

Hill is the most ready to help in the playoffs *this season*.

We should definitely resign Kork though. He's on the verge of a breakout and could be our best starting option as soon as next year.


I have a hard time believing we’re going to re-sign Korkmaz. 7 of the 8 rotation players ahead of him are under contract for us next season. I have no idea what he’s going to get on the open market but if it’s more than like 8 mil a year, I can’t see us paying that to be our 8th man at best. They’re going to have to make a decision on Danny Green too.

The only way I see us matching a decent offer for Korkmaz (other than it being really cheap, which seems unlikely) is if they decide to move Curry. With how well our starting lineup has played with Curry though and with 2 more years on his deal, I doubt it happens. We also have Joe potentially being groomed for Korkmaz’s bench role at a fraction of the cost.

There really is no room for Korkmaz.

T. Harris: 36m
Simmons:33m
J. Embiid: 32m
George H: 10m
Se. Curry: 8 m
Thybulle, Maxey, Milton, Joe and Reed: 10m

That's 129m, with the luxury tax being 136m. That leaves 7 million, with no backup Center and 4 roster spots to fill. Unless they cut George Hill or trade Curry, there is no way to spend on Korkmaz.


Right, and if they wanted to keep Korkmaz, I'd expect to see him higher than the 8th most minutes on the team and only 19 mpg (9th after Hill starts playing).

Korkmaz is playing well enough to get minutes on a good team, but from listening to Morey interviews, I don't think he's interested in paying someone that's not going to be part of a playoff rotation. That means that unless Curry gets moved or they don't believe in Shake at all on his ridiculously cheap contract, there's just not really a place for Korkmaz to break into the playoff rotation. Even if their contracts were the same, if I had to choose between Korkmaz and Shake, I'd take Shake, and it seems that the team does too given that he's been playing over Korkmaz all season. A 3 level scorer with a huge wingspan that can handle the ball and create for others is more valuable than a pure 3 point specialist that isn't even really a better shooter.
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Post#20 » by 76ciology » Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:15 pm

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76ciology wrote:I also find Furkan to be better in running those sets we run for JJ like those DHO with Biid and invert screens for Ben. I believe we were grooming Furk to replace JJ last season.

But here’s the thing. I do think we should stick with our rotation while having the luxury to insert guys better than Seth off the bench, based on match-ups and controlling the rhythm of the game (momentums). And you wont max out the roster by not starting Seth. Because it’s only when Seth plays with Biid and Ben where both guys can’t make up for his deficiency where we can make him bigger than who he is.

Stick with our starting unit but increase PT for Furkan.


When Furkan is in the lineup with Ben and Joel he shoots 54% and 43% from 3 as opposed to shooting just 36% and 34% from 3 In The none Joel and Ben lineups.


True.

But I know Doc. He doesnt put his best foot forward.

He’s an old school guy like Doug Collins who likes to have multiple cards on his sleeve that he wants to use to change the game’s momentum.

I mean, this is exaggerated but i wouldnt be surprised if Doc would play James Harden off the bench. And end the game with Harden and Embiid.

I kind of like that for a coach. The game has many layers to it and Doc knows what he is doing.
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